"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Ki Breaker]

The latest chapter was quite good, Berrus and every god of destruction have grown to be something I adore here..
The only thing keeping me somewhat wanting to know about the anime now are the spoilers giving the story idea yet to be covered by the manga ( or in general ) and the speculation that comes with it..

With each chapter, I continue to have hope that Krillin, Tien, Roshi, Android Twins and Piccolo will have "respectable" performances in the tournament.

If it makes sense for them to be performing respectably against the opponents they are matched with, they will..
Toyotaro mostly covers these bases quite well, if the situation is similar to Piccolo vs Frost, expect them to lose quickly, that's simply how the manga functions.. whether that's a good thing or bad depends on your priorities in the story telling..

[Gig]

I just read chapter 28. The second part took me by surprise, I was expecting a Goku vs Toppo, not that! Wow!

[Gig]

Am I the only one which found that Belmond scene in chapter 28 a bit disturbing?

[Kanassa]

Am I the only one which found that Belmond scene in chapter 28 a bit disturbing?

What's disturbing about it?

[TheMikado]

Already starting off better than the inconsistent bad writing crap that is the Anime. I cant wait for the recruitment arc so we can actually see what Toriyama helped Toyotaro create. The manga is closer to what Akira Toriyama wants as its been stated he works closer with Toyotaro. All these strength debates and whats what can be settled.

Not it hasn't. Toriyama looks at both:

Q: I've heard Toriyama has a direct role into your work, right?

T: Not only mine: he supervises every storyboard related to the Dragon Ball universe.


Also, the scaling of the anime isn't the scaling of the manga. So whatever the scaling is in the manga is only in the manga, not the anime.

To be fair, Toriyama has also stated that he doesn't get to see the final script for the anime, and the anime has a very rushed production. Toriyama can supervise the storyboards sure, but it's impossible, or at least very very unlikely for corrections or anything on the same level as his involvement in the manga, where we know he's redrawn/drawn entire pages or characters where he feels Toyotaro falls short or out of character. I would argue based on that that the manga is closer to accurately representing Toriyama's vision of Super, but it's not like we can really know for sure.

As for the chapter, I loved Belmond actually having characterization, Rumoosh bringing up Zamas, and the GoD's wondering why the heck there's two Zenos. Also Mosco saying unintelligible beeps towards Zeno. Crazy that the rat is likely the one with the strongest mortal.

I certainly agree the manga is likely closer, however if we are going to debate what Toriyama is checking over verifying and people are getting hurt feelings over the idea of one being checked over the other I'm much more inclined to say, given the differences between the products.

It's MUCH more likely Toriyama actually checks NEITHER rather than BOTH...

[Grimlock]

What's disturbing about it?

For a kid who is innocent and doesn't know much about life, there's nothing disturbing about it. But when you get older and know stuff, yeah... That scene with other female clowns in what appears to be a harem is a bit disturbing.

[TheMikado]

What's disturbing about it?

For a kid who is innocent and doesn't know much about life, there's nothing disturbing about it. But when you get older and know stuff, yeah... That scene with other female clowns in what appears to be a harem is a bit disturbing.

How's this any more or less disturbing than any other anime/manga centered around a harem. Or any other comic book for that matter? I do agree it would be a bit off-putting if you're looking at Dragonball as compared to Maya the Bee or any traditional Saturday morning cartoon, but even then some of the villians have harem-like imagery.

[Grimlock]

How's this any more or less disturbing than any other anime/manga centered around a harem.

You already answered yourself, they're all anime/manga centered around a harem, Dragon Ball isn't.

[Noah]

For a kid who is innocent and doesn't know much about life, there's nothing disturbing about it. But when you get older and know stuff, yeah... That scene with other female clowns in what appears to be a harem is a bit disturbing.

What so bad about harem?

[sintzu]

Pretty good chapter. we got a better introduction to the destroyers and we're even getting to see them fight (god forbid someone other than Goku does something in the anime). I like Beerus' fighting style and how the clown kicked that one who helped them, showing that survival is #1.

[Kinokima]

Going on Tumblr and seeing all these posts bashing Toyotarou that he doesn't get the characters (except everything he writes is supposedly approved by Toriyama). Don't really understand why people read/watch things they hate and then just have to bash them. Bit of a pet peeve of mine

[Kanassa]

(except everything he writes is supposedly approved by Toriyama).

And? While I'm not in the group of him not getting the characters wrong, being supposedly approved by Toriyama is not proof against the claim.

[Miracles]

Going on Tumblr and seeing all these posts bashing Toyotarou that he doesn't get the characters (except everything he writes is supposedly approved by Toriyama). Don't really understand why people read/watch things they hate and then just have to bash them. Bit of a pet peeve of mine

The same ones bashing Toyotaro are the same ones praising most of the anime. Which they don't even understand also.

[Kinokima]

(except everything he writes is supposedly approved by Toriyama).

And? While I'm not in the group of him not getting the characters wrong, being supposedly approved by Toriyama is not proof against the claim.

Well actually it is. Someone may not like how the characters are written and that is their right but that doesn't mean he is getting the characters wrong when the creator seems to approve of what he is writing (and will let him know when he doesn't like something)

It's a difference between opinion and stating something as fact. Maybe those fans don't know the characters as well as they think they do either.

[HeroR]

Going on Tumblr and seeing all these posts bashing Toyotarou that he doesn't get the characters (except everything he writes is supposedly approved by Toriyama). Don't really understand why people read/watch things they hate and then just have to bash them. Bit of a pet peeve of mine

The same ones bashing Toyotaro are the same ones praising most of the anime. Which they don't even understand also.

This goes both ways since we do have fans that bash the anime, while praising the manga. It becomes even more funny when the anime gets bash for doing something, but those same fans become silent when the manga does the exact same thing like Goku not kissing his wife and Goku getting dented by a bullet.

[Duo]

Toyotaro is a talented artist and a good storyteller. I have grown beyond weary of the constant negative feedback from distasteful/unintelligent parties. There are legitimate criticisms to be found, for sure. However, that is also true of the original manga as penned by Akira Toriyama. There is no reason that this thread should be so dominated by misdirected fanboy bullshit.

[Miracles]

This goes both ways since we do have fans that bash the anime, while praising the manga. It becomes even more funny when the anime gets bash for doing something, but those same fans become silent when the manga does the exact same thing like Goku not kissing his wife and Goku getting dented by a bullet.

Lol

As expected, petty complaints and misunderstandings by the fandoms.

[HeroR]

Toyotaro is a talented artist and a good storyteller. I have grown beyond weary of the constant negative feedback from distasteful/unintelligent parties. There are legitimate criticisms to be found, for sure. However, that is also true of the original manga as penned by Akira Toriyama. There is no reason that this thread should be so dominated by misdirected fanboy bullshit.

Opinion, but he's a mediocre storyteller. Toriyama has his issues, but he runs circles around Toyo.

[Kinokima]

Going on Tumblr and seeing all these posts bashing Toyotarou that he doesn't get the characters (except everything he writes is supposedly approved by Toriyama). Don't really understand why people read/watch things they hate and then just have to bash them. Bit of a pet peeve of mine

The same ones bashing Toyotaro are the same ones praising most of the anime. Which they don't even understand also.

This goes both ways since we do have fans that bash the anime, while praising the manga. It becomes even more funny when the anime gets bash for doing something, but those same fans become silent when the manga does the exact same thing like Goku not kissing his wife and Goku getting dented by a bullet.

Well just to be clear I enjoy both and don't have a preference. I am much farther along in the anime actually but I've enjoyed what I've seen of the manga so far. I like seeing the differences between the two.

And I love the little side comics that Toyotarou draws at the end of each chapter.

[sintzu]

The same ones bashing Toyotaro are the same ones praising most of the anime.

Never mind the fact the anime does most of what they don't like about the manga worse.