Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Pannaliciour]

Hello guys I am new here and I would like to add my opinion about 6-10-15 scale used by akira to explain gap between whis, bills and ssjg goku. Some guys complained that in rof this power scale couldnt work.
First we must know that smallest gap to dominate other requires just 1.25 gap based on cui vs vegeta fight. Keeping this in mind lets multiply 6 by 1.25 and we get 7.5. Yes this power would be enough to dominate other guy. This is 25% difference.

Now the smallest gap known was 12.5 % which was vegeta and kaioken x2 goku Saiyan saga and dodoria vs vegeta. So even with 8.5 goku or vegeta would loose to beerus if one vs one.

Vegeta vs Recoom, no domination for Recoom.

[Bullza]

I'm still gonna go with something like this.

Vados - 15.5
Whis - 15
Beerus - 10
Champa - 9
Golden Frieza - 7.5
SSJB Goku - 6.5
SSJB Vegeta - 6.5
SSJG Goku - 6
Goku - 3.25
Vegeta - 3.25
Frieza - 2.5

Champa appears to be weaker than Beerus and I could see him probably being able to beat the shit out of Golden Frieza. I don't think Frieza would be as high as an 8.

I also don't think there's much room for SSJB to be that much stronger than SSJG either.

[ssbgoku]

I'm still gonna go with something like this.

Vados - 15.5
Whis - 15
Beerus - 10
Champa - 9
Golden Freeza - 7.5
SSJB Goku - 6.5
SSJB Vegeta - 6.5
SSJG Goku - 6
Goku - 3.25
Vegeta - 3.25
Freeza - 2.5

Champa appears to be weaker than Beerus and I could see him probably being able to beat the shit out of Golden Freeza. I don't think Freeza would be as high as an 8.

I also don't think there's much room for SSJB to be that much stronger than SSJG either.

Quite good. But I would go more like:

Rof arc:

Whis - 15
Vados - 14
Beerus - 10
Champa - 9.5
Golden Freeza - 7.5
SSJB Goku - 7
SSJB Vegeta - 7
SSJG Goku - 6
Goku Post Whis training - 6
Vegeta Post Whis training - 6
Goku supressed - 3
Vegeta supressed -3
Freeza - 2.5

I believe 50 multiplier would still work for ssj tranformation even with divine ki, however the gap of 1 unit between any numbers would be meassured in huge number, and so big that goku's/vegeta power level multiplied by 50 would be just enough to close 1 unit of this 6-10-15 scale. Another interesting fact is that there may be not anymore forms for Goku or vegeta as Akira thrown away idea of ssj2 or ssj3 as just ascended ssj (correct me if I wrote it wrong.)

In other words the only way for goku and vegeta to progress and become stronger would be raising their base power level so they would be stronger in ssb. Keeping that in mind they would take a lot of time to reach any level further. Just like in the begining of 6 universe tournament I believe goku and vegeta would be just 7.5

Also 0.5 gap between Frieeza and ssb goku/vegeta works perfectly as frieeza just began to dominate but goku isn't recieving huge damage so he can stand up to him in some way. The gap is just 5% in that case.

[Hugo Boss]

I can totally see Goku and Vegeta as Super Saiyans Blue at 7, Golden Freeza at 8 and Monaca at 9. Of course, Goku and Vegeta may became stronger after defeating Freeza and during the pluriversal tournament.

[ssbgoku]

Hello guys I am new here and I would like to add my opinion about 6-10-15 scale used by akira to explain gap between whis, bills and ssjg goku. Some guys complained that in rof this power scale couldnt work.
First we must know that smallest gap to dominate other requires just 1.25 gap based on cui vs vegeta fight. Keeping this in mind lets multiply 6 by 1.25 and we get 7.5. Yes this power would be enough to dominate other guy. This is 25% difference.

Now the smallest gap known was 12.5 % which was vegeta and kaioken x2 goku Saiyan saga and dodoria vs vegeta. So even with 8.5 goku or vegeta would loose to beerus if one vs one.

Vegeta vs Recoom, no domination for Recoom.

I believe it was domination. Recoome was just fooling around and taking it easy. I wonder how the high gap was between them. Can anyone remind me ?

I can totally see Goku and Vegeta as Super Saiyans Blue at 7, Golden Freeza at 8 and Monaca at 9. Of course, Goku and Vegeta may became stronger after defeating Freeza and during the pluriversal tournament.

Wouldn't Monaca be just 8. I believe it would be better.

ssb - 7
Golden - 7.5
Monaca - 8

Monaca may be also just as powerfull as golden frieza because Beerus was comparing Monaca to ssjg goku who was 6 when he made statement of someone more powerfull then goku.

[Hugo Boss]

As long as it is between 6-10 it doesn't matter. I just put Monaca as stronger than Golden Freeza because Whis said he gave a lot of trouble to Beerus, while even as powerful as he became Freeza was still scared of Beerus.

[Doctor.]

Whis said that Monaka could give Beerus a lot of trouble, so I think a 9 is better. 20% is a huge difference in Dragon Ball, 10% is still enough where you can have a fairly balanced fight.

[ssbgoku]

As long as it is between 6-10 it doesn't matter. I just put Monaca as stronger than Golden Freeza because Whis said he gave a lot of trouble to Beerus, while even as powerful as he became Freeza was still scared of Beerus.

I agree, but still I believe it would be gap between champa and Monaca so considering that Champa would have to be either 9.5 or 9 then Monaca would more fit 8 or 8.5 in my opinion. I respect your point of views although.

Whis said that Monaka could give Beerus a lot of trouble, so I think a 9 is better. 20% is a huge difference in Dragon Ball, 10% is still enough where you can have a fairly balanced fight.

As long as it is between 6-10 it doesn't matter. I just put Monaca as stronger than Golden Freeza because Whis said he gave a lot of trouble to Beerus, while even as powerful as he became Freeza was still scared of Beerus.

May work, but where do you place champa then ?. I believe 9 would be too high for Monaca, more like 8.5 at the best and 8 at least. However it depends where you put champa and also how much gap you have between champa and Monaca or champa and beerus

[Doctor.]

Champa is like a 9.8. You don't need everything to be .0 or .5

[ssbgoku]

Champa is like a 9.8. You don't need everything to be .0 or .5

Ah that is ok then, but I still don't see Monaca so close to Beerus or Champa, I would rather believe 8.5 then 9. Also this gap would be like just 2%, I believe it would be too small eh. Anyway I may go by it, but Monaca get too much credit IMAO

[Khin]

I'm not following the 6-10-15 so by ROF,mine would be.

Spoiler:

Vados = 26.0

Whis = 25.0
- I always think a 50% gap between Beerus is way too low.

Beerus = 10.0

Champa = 9.5

Monaka = 9.3
- very close to Beerus

Golden Freeza = 8.0

SSjB Vegeta = 7.2
- Its been hinted many times that Vegeta is stronger than Goku

SSjB Goku = 7.0

Base Vegeta = 3.6

Base Goku = 3.5

Final Form Freeza = 3.0

[LightBing]

I'm not following the 6-10-15 so by ROF,mine would be.

Spoiler:

Vados = 26.0

Whis = 25.0
- I always think a 50% gap between Beerus is way too low.

Beerus = 10.0

Champa = 9.5

Monaka = 9.3
- very close to Beerus

Golden Freeza = 8.0

SSjB Vegeta = 7.2
- Its been hinted many times that Vegeta is stronger than Goku

SSjB Goku = 7.0

Base Vegeta = 3.6

Base Goku = 3.5

Final Form Freeza = 3.0

I don't understand why you apply that logic, of giving Whis 25.0. There's no actual mention of how much stronger Whis is than Beerus, besides the author's numbers. In-universe, Whis is only said to be stronger than Beerus besides being his master. They never fought or mentioned anything specific for us to determine a gap. You're reasoning that "I always think a 50% gap between Beerus is way too low", is non-existent.

[Khin]

I don't understand why you apply that logic, of giving Whis 25.0. There's no actual mention of how much stronger Whis is than Beerus, besides the author's numbers. In-universe, Whis is only said to be stronger than Beerus besides being his master. They never fought or mentioned anything specific for us to determine a gap. You're reasoning that "I always think a 50% gap between Beerus is way too low", is non-existent.

I see your point,still applying the 6-10-15 in movie for Super will not work out quite well due to statements of Goku and Vegeta being leagues below Beerus or Post God Base being way above SSjG.

[DragonHermit]

After their training, I think Goku and Vegeta surpass Beerus easily, and maybe Whis. I mean in DBZ HBT training, Vegeta's power tripled after only 1 year.

I don't see why in this case, their power would go from like 8.0 to 9.0 after such a long time of training.

[Khin]

After their training, I think Goku and Vegeta surpass Beerus easily, and maybe Whis. I mean in DBZ HBT training, Vegeta's power tripled after only 1 year.

I don't see why in this case, their power would go from like 8.0 to 9.0 after such a long time of training.

That would mean Monaka would be a fodder in the tournament and the U6 fighters are also stronger than Vados/Champa.

[ekrolo2]

After their training, I think Goku and Vegeta surpass Beerus easily, and maybe Whis. I mean in DBZ HBT training, Vegeta's power tripled after only 1 year.

I don't see why in this case, their power would go from like 8.0 to 9.0 after such a long time of training.

If every ROSAT trip always tripped your power, freaking Piccolo would've been able to kick Cell's ass never mind the Saiyan's but it doesn't. Once you use it the first time, the power you gain from it diminishes greatly as evidence by Vegeta and Trunks not even being able to double their power after another trip.

[Hugo Boss]

This discussion seems kind of generic. Characters getting stronger than certain guys if a certain number is applied will only affect your subjective lists. Not to mention a second/third go in the RoSaT doesn't have to be as/more/less effective than the first. There is nothing in the story that back-up such claims.

[buutenks]

Hmm,wouldnt the new super arcs throw the whole 6/10/15 thing out the window?i mean those applied for that time,but that was then.

In bog arc,ssj goku and base goku is basically equal to ssj god as stated in the arc during the fight with beerus.Then,whis says that beerus used more power than he expected but never gave a percentage.Then we have whis saying goku and vegeta's powers in base form are minuscule compared to the gods.

So this leaves me to believe the power difference between beerus and ssj god goku is much higher than a mere 40%.Plus now it seems ssj blue goku has god ki,while in the movie was never stated as such.

[Doctor.]

Like I explained earlier, Super Saiyan God Goku has to be stronger than Beerus at 10% of his power, because Beerus praised him, and Goku got TWO power boosts after that. Also Beerus stated that he can only nulify the energy to destroy the universe at full power, and there wouldn't really be a reason to lie about that. So, even if you think the 6-10-15 scale doesn't work, Goku has to be at least above Beerus' 10%, much higher than that.

[buutenks]

Like I explained earlier, Super Saiyan God Goku has to be stronger than Beerus at 10% of his power, because Beerus praised him, and Goku got TWO power boosts after that. Also Beerus stated that he can only nulify the energy to destroy the universe at full power, and there wouldn't really be a reason to lie about that. So, even if you think the 6-10-15 scale doesn't work, Goku has to be at least above Beerus' 10%, much higher than that.

Hmm,clearly that 10% statement put a wall on how strong beerus can be in relation to ssj god goku.

I was thinking of ssj god goku to be idk 30% ish.That would leave room for ssj blue to be a useful powerup,not a mere 1.2 -1.3 power up.