Dragon Ball Z Being Re-edited and Re-dubbed for HDTV

DMaarten · Post by **DMaarten** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:05 am

Will Dragonball Kai be released on dvd/blu-ray?

ShinRogafuken · Post by **ShinRogafuken** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:46 am

DMaarten wrote:Will Dragonball Kai be released on dvd/blu-ray?

I don't think anybody as any clue at this point.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:07 pm

Kendamu wrote:From what I've seen, people have been careful before the first episode aired to note that it might not be completely filler-free. After the first episode aired, people have been careful to note (for the most part) that it is mostly filler-free and simply closer to Toriyama's original story. Anyone who has just stated "filler free" or something along those lines are stating things in a way that I take loosely and, based on the context, I know that they mean that most of the filler is gone and I don't take them literally.

I guess our best indication will be how they handle things post-Raditz. Human and Gohan training, for example. For my money, I actually don't want it to be "filler-free" or "mostly filler-free." I just want the bad filler out. I don't mind, for example, the humans VR training against illusionary Saiyans. But I don't wanna see Gohan lost on the high seas or hanging out with a band of runaways.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:58 pm

Onikage725 wrote:
Kendamu wrote:Maybe that's it- it's not just filler. Everything got a nip tuck. The filler (primarily in this case, Gohan getting lost and foreshadowing of his hidden power) was still there. I don't have a problem with that, per se. But I keep seeing people touting this as DBZ- the filler-free edition. And that isn't exactly correct. The "manga" doesn't start until ten minutes into the episode (the first panel is the farmer working by his truck).
I guess our best indication will be how they handle things post-Raditz. Human and Gohan training, for example. For my money, I actually don't want it to be "filler-free" or "mostly filler-free." I just want the bad filler out. I don't mind, for example, the humans VR training against illusionary Saiyans. But I don't wanna see Gohan lost on the high seas or hanging out with a band of runaways.

EDIT: Did you quote yourself? I didn't say that.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:20 pm

If I wanna see the Saiyans of the past against Kuririn and the others, I'll watch DBZA.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:13 pm

The training for the Sayiajin is one of those sections that has -always- been better in the anime than the manga for me- and that's even with only knowing the dub version. It gives the characters some relative downtime to develop and let you get attached to them. Stripping that down to three or four instances is bad. So let's hope we still get to see some of stuff like that.

jda95 · Post by **jda95** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:56 pm

Velasa wrote:The training for the Sayiajin is one of those sections that has -always- been better in the anime than the manga for me- and that's even with only knowing the dub version. It gives the characters some relative downtime to develop and let you get attached to them. Stripping that down to three or four instances is bad. So let's hope we still get to see some of stuff like that.

I am half half on this. I like it how the anime fills in gaps in training periods, but training for the Saiyans just gets a bit too long in the anime. The only stuff I would honestly keep is Gohan and the robot, the Pendulum room and a bit of Piccolo stuff.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:57 pm

Actually, I'll be glad if they remove the pendulum room. Even before I knew it was filler I didn't like it. Same goes for Princess Snake. She wasn't entertaining until DBZ Abridged. I wouldn't hate seeing Goku in Hell, the robot, or the dinosaur, though.

Kinda iffy on Gohan's escape from Piccolo.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:16 pm

Gohan's escape from Piccolo can mostly go, but what I wish could be kept was the very end bit where he dedicates himself to really doing what needs to be done. It's a good summary for the training year.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:10 pm

Velasa wrote:Gohan's escape from Piccolo can mostly go, but what I wish could be kept was the very end bit where he dedicates himself to really doing what needs to be done. It's a good summary for the training year.

It's the Gohan filler that makes me think I'm going to pretty much exclusively enjoy the Z version over Kai for this part of the series.

I'm going to welcome a lot of changes come the Namek arcs, though.

ShinRogafuken · Post by **ShinRogafuken** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:35 am

FILLER TO KEEP IN:

- Early Gohan stuff (Pre-Oozaru transformation)
- Gohan and Robot episode (BUT GREATLY SHORTENED)
- Gohan makes friends with the dinosaur (shortened)
- Tien, Chiaotzu, Lunch scenes (but shortened to like 5 minutes)
- All the Lunch scenes considering she doesn't appear anymore after Saiyan
- The Boat stuff (cut down to 2-3 minutes though)
- Anything with Goku and King Kai (especially Saiyan backstory and Gregory)

FILLER TO KEEP OUT:

- Arlia
- Goz and Mez
- Princess Snake
- The Orphanage stuff
- Pendulum Room
- 2nd Gohan Oozaru transformation (ughh)

DBW · Post by **DBW** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:53 am

ShinRogafuken wrote:FILLER TO KEEP IN:

- Anything with Goku and King Kai (especially Saiyan backstory and Gregory)

Honestly, though, can they even get around him if they wanted to? From what I recall he was floating around Kaiou's head for a majority of the training segments.

ShinRogafuken · Post by **ShinRogafuken** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:44 am

DBW wrote:
ShinRogafuken wrote:FILLER TO KEEP IN:

- Anything with Goku and King Kai (especially Saiyan backstory and Gregory)
Honestly, though, can they even get around him if they wanted to? From what I recall he was floating around Kaiou's head for a majority of the training segments.

Yeah, and since Akira Toriyama designed him and all, I don't think anyone would complain about him staying.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:49 am

ShinRogafuken wrote:
DBW wrote:
ShinRogafuken wrote:FILLER TO KEEP IN:

- Anything with Goku and King Kai (especially Saiyan backstory and Gregory)
Honestly, though, can they even get around him if they wanted to? From what I recall he was floating around Kaiou's head for a majority of the training segments.
Yeah, and since Akira Toriyama designed him and all, I don't think anyone would complain about him staying.

Do people seriously complain about Greggory? I never heard anyone say "Fuck I hate that grasshopper, the anime would be so much better without him!"

B · Post by B » Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:31 am

Looking back at this first episode, it does feel a bit rushed. I think the Gohan filler should've been completely removed now, because without Gohan'sother mishaps, Goku's rescue seems so sudden. Also, without Gohan's filler entirely, it could've ended at a somewhat more appropriate part. I didn't even know it was over after Krillin is sent flying.

It wasn't completely horrible, but it's noticeable. I don't want a slow story, but I don't want it going by in a flash either.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:11 pm

ShinRogafuken · Post by **ShinRogafuken** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:17 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:
ShinRogafuken wrote:FILLER TO KEEP OUT:
- Pendulum Room
But... that's my favorite episode in the whole series.

Not like I'm expecting it to make the cut anyway (I'm not), but even still for purposes of a fan-wish list, you'd rather they keep Gohan building the raft (which is what I assume you meant by "The Boat stuff")? Doesn't Gohan get more than enough filler-play in your above wish-list? What about the other characters? Balance man!

Not like it matters anyway. I'm kinda doubting a whole great deal of filler of ANY kind will make the training segment of the Saiya-jin arc. Some yes definitely, but not even near as much as what you have in the "Filler to Keep" list there. Who knows until we get there though.

Anyway, I just realized something messed up... once again real life is going to get in the way of my watching episode 2 of Kai live. Right at the exact time that episode 2 airs, I'll be out with friends... seeing DB Evolution, of all things. Of all the odds. Oh the irony... *shakes head*

I meant him riding the boat on the desert. Why would I want him to build a raft but then cut out the orphanage stuff because those 2 go hand-in-hand.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:36 pm

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:11 pm

B wrote:Looking back at this first episode, it does feel a bit rushed. I think the Gohan filler should've been completely removed now, because without Gohan'sother mishaps, Goku's rescue seems so sudden. Also, without Gohan's filler entirely, it could've ended at a somewhat more appropriate part. I didn't even know it was over after Krillin is sent flying.

It wasn't completely horrible, but it's noticeable. I don't want a slow story, but I don't want it going by in a flash either.

Problem is, if they're sticking with the manga that's how some are going to end, if you read it you'll notice the second chapter ends exactly like that

ShinRogafuken · Post by **ShinRogafuken** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:52 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:
ShinRogafuken wrote:I meant him riding the boat on the desert. Why would I want him to build a raft but then cut out the orphanage stuff because those 2 go hand-in-hand.
Him building the raft was just the first thing that sprung to mind, sorry.

Either way though, I still think there's an excessive amount of Gohan material in that list. Let the other characters get some more play too, I say. But again, I don't think there's going to be even a quarter of what you got up there, so it's all just fun/speculative/wishful thinking.

True, true. I really wished Yamcha, Tien, Krillin, Yajirobe etc. had way more screentime but even in the filler they weren't shown much. However, the Pendulum Room episode was crappy (in my opinion).