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by SRB2Unleashed » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:31 pm
Cold Skin wrote:I really can't imagine Vegeta beating Freezer on his own, Goku + Vegeta would be more logical.
You don't get a Naruto movie where Naruto is knocked out and Sasuke leads the final battle and destroys the villain on his own, at most you get a team-up where they both defeat it.
You don't get a Devil May Cry where the final battle is led by Vergil while Dante is knocked out and Vergil wins on his own, at most you get a team-up for the big finale.
Goku and Vegeta keep being put on an equal ground in all ways for a reason: poster, training as the very intro of them in the movie, etc... You don't see Vegeta emphasized with Goku in the background with the others.
So I stand my ground: it will be Goku, then Vegeta, then Goku + Vegeta for the big finale. But Goku will certainly not be tossed aside while Vegeta does the rest on his own. I don't buy it.
The whole point is to replace "Goku is the hero" by "Goku and Vegeta are the heroes", not by "Vegeta is the hero", nor by "Goku is the hero sometimes, and Vegeta is the hero sometimes", nor by "Vegeta is the hero only when Goku can't be the hero".
That's what I think anyway, but we'll see.
But Sora was out of commission and Riku had to save the day in Kingdom Hearts: Dream Drop Distance.
The main hero does not always have to save the day. Quite frankly, it's more or less a given Vegeta will be the one to put Freeza down (at least win the fight, if Freeza isn't killed) in Resurrection F. Trying to scheme up other scenarios is just denying it. Of course in 8 days we'll find out for sure and I can be completely wrong, but it's looking doubtful.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:34 pm
ONCE Vegeta will save the day for ONCE
Vegeta saved the day against
Ginyu Force(Goku kinda lost)
Android 19
Cell(Without the distraction the Earth be destroyed)
Majin Boo(Giving Goku the game plan).
Hardly his first time.
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by Tennessaiyan » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:34 pm
If you go solely by the way this movie is being marketed, it looks as if Goku and Vegeta will be the ones to get the win, together, in this movie. All of the art and promotional things have the two always on the front lines with Frieza. If it were ONLY Vegeta being the hero, it would probably be a cringeworthy task for them to even put up movie posters, lol.
But I'm still wondering why they're hiding Horikawa. And why we haven't even seen Vegeta throw a punch yet. And all the stuff that Toyotaro and Ooishi Naho said about how cool Vegeta was in the film, in a completely different way from the last film and how he has a big role. I just know there's something being hidden

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by Tennessaiyan » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:43 pm
TheGmGoken wrote:ONCE Vegeta will save the day for ONCE
Vegeta saved the day against
Ginyu Force(Goku kinda lost)
Android 19
Cell(Without the distraction the Earth be destroyed)
Majin Boo(Giving Goku the game plan).
Hardly his first time.
Oh dear...
1) Ginyu force - Goku actually saved Vegeta's ass. Kept Ginyu from switching bodies with Vegeta. He would have been screwed.
2) Android 19 - Not a major villain
3) Cell - Key word: He was a distraction. He might as well had got up in front of Cell and did the Bingo Dance. Gohan = Hero
4) Majin Buu - The plan was his, but he didn't execute it. Goku did. He was the hero. Again. And Vegeta again served as a distraction. Commence figurative Bingo Dance.
He helped at the most. He's never had true "hero" status.
mogi67 wrote:I kind of view Dragon Ball the same way I view mythology. It can be convoluted, contradictory, but always a treasure.
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by Chuquita » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:46 pm
Tennessaiyan wrote:If you go solely by the way this movie is being marketed, it looks as if Goku and Vegeta will be the ones to get the win, together, in this movie. All of the art and promotional things have the two always on the front lines with Freeza. If it were ONLY Vegeta being the hero, it would probably be a cringeworthy task for them to even put up movie posters, lol.
But I'm still wondering why they're hiding Horikawa. And why we haven't even seen Vegeta throw a punch yet. And all the stuff that Toyotaro and Ooishi Naho said about how cool Vegeta was in the film, in a completely different way from the last film and how he has a big role. I just know there's something being hidden

Shueisha's done an amazing job being secretive about Vegeta. It's really driving my curiosity.
It's gotta be a big plot point, whatever it is.
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by sintzu » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:47 pm
Tennessaiyan wrote:If you go solely by the way this movie is being marketed, it looks as if Goku and Vegeta will be the ones to get the win, together, in this movie.
It didn't look like that in the last trailer.
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by WittyUsername » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:51 pm
I mentioned this many pages back, but I don't think Vegeta is really the type of character that deserves "true hero status", or at the very least, I don't think the day should be solely saved by him. I wouldn't mind having Freeza's defeat be a team effort, but I'm not a fan of the idea of having Vegeta be the one to deliver the finishing blow on his own.
I know people say that Vegeta should deserve to win because of his history with Freeza, but let's be honest here, Vegeta was just as bad as Freeza for most of his life. Are we really supposed to feel bad for Vegeta just because he had a history of working under Freeza?
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by Tennessaiyan » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:52 pm
sintzu wrote:Tennessaiyan wrote:If you go solely by the way this movie is being marketed, it looks as if Goku and Vegeta will be the ones to get the win, together, in this movie.
It didn't look like that in the last trailer.
I know your theory, and while I wouldn't have anything against it, I hardly think Goku will be down for the count. He'll come to somehow and take care of business, just like always. But this time, likely at Vegeta's side.
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by GoldLiger » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:53 pm
The moment AT took away Gohan's Mystic mode you all should have guessed who he will give it too in the movie.
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by Tennessaiyan » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:55 pm
WittyUsername wrote:I mentioned this many pages back, but I'd ont think Vegeta is really the type of character that deserves "true hero status", or at the very least, I don't think the day should be solely saved by him. I wouldn't mind having Freeza's defeat be a team effort, but I'm not a fan of the idea of having Vegeta be the one to deliver the finishing blow on his own.
I know people say that Vegeta should deserve to win because of his history with Freeza, but let's be honest here, Vegeta was just as bad as Freeza for most of his life. Are we really supposed to feel bad for Vegeta just because he had a history of working under Freeza?
It's not just his history with Frieza. It's for the fact of what it took to get where he is now. All the struggles, failures, humiliation, DEATHS it took to change into the good man he is. He may have not deserved it then, but he sure as heck deserves it now.
mogi67 wrote:I kind of view Dragon Ball the same way I view mythology. It can be convoluted, contradictory, but always a treasure.
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by Monkey King Vegeta » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:55 pm
After hearing the song that inspired Toryama and re-watching the Frieza battles, I have to say I'm beginning go like the idea of Frieza returning, still think his gold form should've had a more menacing look.
Anyways, much discussion about that demon looking guy that one shotted Piccolo, could he be Ginyu? It seems kinda weird that someone that strong worked as an hnderling for Frieza.
Glad to see that Vegeta will fight in a more relaxed way and actually overcome his weakness to become stronger than Goku.
And Gohan is still the biggest dissapointment to DBZ ever.
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by GoldLiger » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:56 pm
Monkey King Vegeta wrote:After hearing the song that inspired Toryama and re-watching the Freeza battles, I have to say I'm beginning go like the idea of Freeza returning, still think his gold form should've had a more menacing look.
Anyways, much discussion about that demon looking guy that one shotted Piccolo, could he be Ginyu? It seems kinda weird that someone that strong worked as an hnderling for Freeza.
Glad to see that Vegeta will fight in a more relaxed way and actually overcome his weakness to become stronger than Goku.
And Gohan is still the biggest dissapointment to DBZ ever.
Gohan will loose his Mystic Mode to Vegeta.
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by MCDaveG » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:56 pm
GoldLiger wrote:The moment AT took away Gohan's Mystic mode you all should have guessed who he will give it too in the movie.
Yeah, when Goku asked for them to open up the SSJ God gate, they also transfered all his skills to him - in case of Gohan, who is non-training slacker, his power has left him for Goku in the process.
In my head, it actually went like this, with Goku taking his body
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:58 pm
Tennessaiyan wrote:TheGmGoken wrote:ONCE Vegeta will save the day for ONCE
Vegeta saved the day against
Ginyu Force(Goku kinda lost)
Android 19
Cell(Without the distraction the Earth be destroyed)
Majin Boo(Giving Goku the game plan).
Hardly his first time.
Oh dear...
1) Ginyu force - Goku actually saved Vegeta's ass. Kept Ginyu from switching bodies with Vegeta. He would have been screwed.
2) Android 19 - Not a major villain
3) Cell - Key word: He was a distraction. He might as well had got up in front of Cell and did the Bingo Dance. Gohan = Hero
4) Majin Buu - The plan was his, but he didn't execute it. Goku did. He was the hero. Again. And Vegeta again served as a distraction. Commence figurative Bingo Dance.
He helped at the most. He's never had true "hero" status.
1. Ginyu would have killed Gohan and Krillin. Wasn't for Vegeta. Second Vegeta handled Jhedse. I'll give credit to Goku for the frog swap. No question. But I'll be damn if Vegeta didnt do most of the work.
2. Never said he was. Nothing in my comment implies that.
3. Vegeta still...saved the day. Remove Vegeta. What would happen. Exactly. See Dragonball Multiverse.
4. He gave the plan. Goku was really lost on how to kill Boo. Hell Satan convinced everyone to give their energy. It was a GROUP effort. They're all heroes.
VEGETA isn't a TRUE Hero. He never was. He's just simply not the type of character. He's just not it.
All the struggles, failures, humiliation, DEATHS it took to change into the good man he is. He may have not deserved it then, but he sure as heck deserves it now.
Sounds like Piccolo
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by Cold Skin » Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:33 pm
Its totally possible that Vegeta will deal the final blow, as it would be terribly ironic for Freezer to have been defeated by three different Saiyans when he came to get revenge for the other two defeating him.
But I don't think he would carry on the final battle on his own. The final assault will likely be Goku + Vegeta.
However, I'm fine with any possibility, I can't think of something that would disappoint me right now.
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by Tennessaiyan » Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:48 pm
Hadn't really thought about the irony in that way. This sounds like a definite possibility to how this movie will wrap up.
And I'm with you, I can't see myself being disappointed in any way after seeing this movie. Even if Vegeta doesn't truly get his "moment," just having another awesome Dragonball movie will leave me more than satisfied.
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by Rocketman » Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:48 pm
Chuquita wrote:Shueisha's done an amazing job being secretive about Vegeta. It's really driving my curiosity.
It's gotta be a big plot point, whatever it is.
Fingers crossed.
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by sintzu » Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:52 pm
Rocketman wrote:
Fingers crossed.
I doubt we'll get fusion in this movie but I'll be surprised if we don't in a future one.
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by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:53 pm
Rocketman wrote:Chuquita wrote:Shueisha's done an amazing job being secretive about Vegeta. It's really driving my curiosity.
It's gotta be a big plot point, whatever it is.
Fingers crossed.
He's so coy.
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by Insertclevername » Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:54 pm
But Rocket, SSJ God Gokuu is stronger than Vegetto in all his forms! Didn't you know that?

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