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Babidi and Dabra scanned the universe for strong fighters over 300 years ago (mentioned when they talk about not knowing someone as powerful as Goku was on Earth). It makes sense that they wouldn't recruit Freeza unless he's been the strongest in the Universe longer than that.
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RandomGuy96's Power Levels Part 4: Buu Saga
Alrighty, finally finished my power levels for the main story. Now I just need to go back and add the levels for Bojack's movie, and then move on to Fusion Reborn.
The Many Forms Of Buu
Goku- 700,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 35,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 70,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 280,000,000,000
Gotenks- 1,350,000,000
Super Saiyan- 67,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 3- 540,000,000,000
Power Level Scaled To Usefulness- -500,000
Ultimate Gohan- 711,000,000,000
Majin Buu- 300,000,000,000 (Pure/Kid)
--Fat Buu- 180,000,000,000
--Pure Good Buu/Mr.Buu- 70,000,000,000
--Pure Evil Buu- 110,000,000,000
--Super Buu- 500,000,000,000
--Buuccolo-- 521,700,000,000
--Buff Buu- 550,000,000,000
--Buutenks-- 1,048,000,000,000
--Buuhan-- 1,232,700,000,000
Vegerot/Vegito/Vegetto- 130,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 6,500,000,000,000
Kibito Kai- 54,000,000,000
Southern Supreme Kai- 250,000,000,000
Mr.Satan- 9
--Power Level Scaled To Usefulness- 240,000,000,000
I like doing levels for this saga, because Buu makes everything so simple with his ability to absorb people- it's simply additive. Basically, I did what the original writer did: I made everyone as strong as they need to be. Ultimate Gohan dominates Super Buu and gets dominated by Buutenks. Fat Buu gets dominated by Super Saiyan 3 Goku and dominates the Super Saiyan 2s. Goku states that he's weaker than Super Buu, but Gotenks is able to fight evenly with Super Buu. Et cetera. Pretty basic stuff.
One I'd like to explain though: the Southern Supreme Kai. A lot of people place this guy as really weak, but I disagree. There is obviously a sizable gap in power between Kid Buu and Super Buu, and the sole difference between them is that Super Buu has most of the Southern Supreme Kai's power. Supreme Kai also goes out of his way to say that the one of the two Kais that Buu absorbed was powerful, like that meant something. I've heard people say that this is only because Kaioshin energy effects Buu differently, but there's no real evidence for that. It was noted that 1 person, that being the Grand Supreme Kai, affected Buu in an abnormal way. If the Southern Supreme Kai had a similar effect, the Eastern Supreme Kai would probably mention THAT, rather than just mention that the Southern Supreme Kai was strong. And finally; I'm the kind of guy who'll accept anime filler if it doesn't contradict anything. And the filler where the Southern Supreme Kai manages to fight evenly with Kid Buu doesn't just not contradict the manga, it supports what the manga says and implies.
So, that's it. Anything I missed? Like I said last time, I'm not as familiar with the Buu saga as the others, so I easily could've made a mistake.
The Many Forms Of Buu
Goku- 700,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 35,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 70,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 280,000,000,000
Gotenks- 1,350,000,000
Super Saiyan- 67,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 3- 540,000,000,000
Power Level Scaled To Usefulness- -500,000
Ultimate Gohan- 711,000,000,000
Majin Buu- 300,000,000,000 (Pure/Kid)
--Fat Buu- 180,000,000,000
--Pure Good Buu/Mr.Buu- 70,000,000,000
--Pure Evil Buu- 110,000,000,000
--Super Buu- 500,000,000,000
--Buuccolo-- 521,700,000,000
--Buff Buu- 550,000,000,000
--Buutenks-- 1,048,000,000,000
--Buuhan-- 1,232,700,000,000
Vegerot/Vegito/Vegetto- 130,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 6,500,000,000,000
Kibito Kai- 54,000,000,000
Southern Supreme Kai- 250,000,000,000
Mr.Satan- 9
--Power Level Scaled To Usefulness- 240,000,000,000
I like doing levels for this saga, because Buu makes everything so simple with his ability to absorb people- it's simply additive. Basically, I did what the original writer did: I made everyone as strong as they need to be. Ultimate Gohan dominates Super Buu and gets dominated by Buutenks. Fat Buu gets dominated by Super Saiyan 3 Goku and dominates the Super Saiyan 2s. Goku states that he's weaker than Super Buu, but Gotenks is able to fight evenly with Super Buu. Et cetera. Pretty basic stuff.
One I'd like to explain though: the Southern Supreme Kai. A lot of people place this guy as really weak, but I disagree. There is obviously a sizable gap in power between Kid Buu and Super Buu, and the sole difference between them is that Super Buu has most of the Southern Supreme Kai's power. Supreme Kai also goes out of his way to say that the one of the two Kais that Buu absorbed was powerful, like that meant something. I've heard people say that this is only because Kaioshin energy effects Buu differently, but there's no real evidence for that. It was noted that 1 person, that being the Grand Supreme Kai, affected Buu in an abnormal way. If the Southern Supreme Kai had a similar effect, the Eastern Supreme Kai would probably mention THAT, rather than just mention that the Southern Supreme Kai was strong. And finally; I'm the kind of guy who'll accept anime filler if it doesn't contradict anything. And the filler where the Southern Supreme Kai manages to fight evenly with Kid Buu doesn't just not contradict the manga, it supports what the manga says and implies.
So, that's it. Anything I missed? Like I said last time, I'm not as familiar with the Buu saga as the others, so I easily could've made a mistake.
Well Freeza is pretty damn old, but yeah, I guess that makes sense. Does this mean that Pui Pui has been serving Babidi for that long?Babidi and Dabra scanned the universe for strong fighters over 300 years ago (mentioned when they talk about not knowing someone as powerful as Goku was on Earth). It makes sense that they wouldn't recruit Freeza unless he's been the strongest in the Universe longer than that.
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The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
I just don't think South Kaioshin can be that powerful, because otherwise Kaioshin wouldn't have been as impressed by Goku or Gohan's power. I think they should both be stronger than any of the Kaioshin.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Southern Supreme Kai is the difference between Super Buu and Kid Buu. To have it make sense, you'd either have to make the Southern Supreme Kai strong (as is implied in the manga and shown in the anime) or just have him affect Buu in a unique way- and I'm sorry, but there's no real evidence for the latter. If there was, the Eastern Supreme Kai would've mentioned it, rather than just mentioning that the Southern Supreme Kai was strong. He mentioned that the Grand Supreme Kai had the unique effect of making Buu weaker, yet didn't say that the Southern Supreme Kai had a unique effect in making Buu much stronger? Why would he do that?
I've kind of learned to stop taking the Eastern Supreme Kai's reaction to things as reliable indicators of power, as otherwise you may end with a base Vegeta > Pui Pui > SS2 Gohan chain. If he contradicts himself, like he often does, I usually just go with the reaction/statement he had/made that makes the most sense in the context of everything else.
I've kind of learned to stop taking the Eastern Supreme Kai's reaction to things as reliable indicators of power, as otherwise you may end with a base Vegeta > Pui Pui > SS2 Gohan chain. If he contradicts himself, like he often does, I usually just go with the reaction/statement he had/made that makes the most sense in the context of everything else.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
The thing is, Boo reverts to Buff Boo without having South Kaioshin absorbed any more. So even though his ki went up I don't think it's an indication that Boo was that strong when he was the "proper" Buff Boo. As ki can be effected by the state of mind, he could as easily had his ki spike momentarily from the pressure of reverting.
South Kaioshin being that strong puts a huuuuuge gap between him and East Kaioshin, and while I know East Kaioshin is the weakest of the group, I have to wonder where that puts the average Kaioshin. If they have it in them to reach SS3 level power just because of whatever it is they do, I can't see the average being weaker than Super Saiyan Gohan, so how could multitudes of Kaioshin fail to pull out the Z Sword? If the majority are in fact too weak to free the Z Sword, why the hell is South Kaioshin way, way beyond them?
It's a different case with Pui Pui and Vegeta, because Kaioshin was worried that Vegeta wasn't taking things seriously enough with Pui Pui and might give Majin Boo energy, but with Gohan and Goku he flat out thinks their power is amazing. He shouldn't really think that Gohan can remove the Z Sword if he's weaker than his Kaioshin buddies, unless he believes they're all capable of it... in which case it wouldn't be a big deal at all.
South Kaioshin being that strong puts a huuuuuge gap between him and East Kaioshin, and while I know East Kaioshin is the weakest of the group, I have to wonder where that puts the average Kaioshin. If they have it in them to reach SS3 level power just because of whatever it is they do, I can't see the average being weaker than Super Saiyan Gohan, so how could multitudes of Kaioshin fail to pull out the Z Sword? If the majority are in fact too weak to free the Z Sword, why the hell is South Kaioshin way, way beyond them?
It's a different case with Pui Pui and Vegeta, because Kaioshin was worried that Vegeta wasn't taking things seriously enough with Pui Pui and might give Majin Boo energy, but with Gohan and Goku he flat out thinks their power is amazing. He shouldn't really think that Gohan can remove the Z Sword if he's weaker than his Kaioshin buddies, unless he believes they're all capable of it... in which case it wouldn't be a big deal at all.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
It's technically never stated that Buu simply adds the absorbees power to his own when he transforms. Since his own body and personality also undergo changes when he absorbs people, I wouldn't have much trouble believing that his power increases were less straight forward than that--and if that were always the case, I wouldn't find it strange for Kaioshin not to mention this case specifically. Buu simply absorbed the strong and burly Kaioshin and became stronger and burlier himself.RandomGuy96 wrote:Southern Supreme Kai is the difference between Super Buu and Kid Buu. To have it make sense, you'd either have to make the Southern Supreme Kai strong (as is implied in the manga and shown in the anime) or just have him affect Buu in a unique way- and I'm sorry, but there's no real evidence for the latter. If there was, the Eastern Supreme Kai would've mentioned it, rather than just mentioning that the Southern Supreme Kai was strong. He mentioned that the Grand Supreme Kai had the unique effect of making Buu weaker, yet didn't say that the Southern Supreme Kai had a unique effect in making Buu much stronger? Why would he do that?
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
He was impressed because there were mortals with that kind of power. By that logic, SS Goten & Trunks are stronger than SS3 Goku because Piccolo was impressed with their power.Saiga wrote:I just don't think South Kaioshin can be that powerful, because otherwise Kaioshin wouldn't have been as impressed by Goku or Gohan's power.
The only problem with S. Kaioshin is the Z-Sword. He was said to be the strongest of all Kaioshin in the manga, and he was strong enough for Boo to absorb him. Pure Boo also got a huge power-up, since Evil Boo was much stronger than Pure Boo, and S. Kaioshin Boo was even stronger than that. And since S. Kaioshin didn't seem to have any unique ability for Boo to want, if he was weaker than Boo, Boo would just kill him. But if S. Kaioshin was so strong to at least rival Boo's power, why couldn't he draw the Z-Sword? Did he even try?
IMO, S. Kaioshin tried to draw it when he was still young & much weaker. After years, he just didn't bother to try.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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That's not the same really. By expecting Gohan to be able to free the sword, he's indirectly comparing him to the other Kaioshin.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: He was impressed because there were mortals with that kind of power. By that logic, SS Goten & Trunks are stronger than SS3 Goku because Piccolo was impressed with their power.
Well, not strong enough for Boo to absorb him, no reason for Boo doing that was given. As said, this is a different (personality of) Boo than the one we saw only absorbing people when he was outclassed. He could have done it for any reason, he's the least predictable Boo.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: The only problem with S. Kaioshin is the Z-Sword. He was said to be the strongest of all Kaioshin in the manga, and he was strong enough for Boo to absorb him. Pure Boo also got a huge power-up, since Evil Boo was much stronger than Pure Boo, and S. Kaioshin Boo was even stronger than that. And since S. Kaioshin didn't seem to have any unique ability for Boo to want, if he was weaker than Boo, Boo would just kill him. But if S. Kaioshin was so strong to at least rival Boo's power, why couldn't he draw the Z-Sword? Did he even try?
IMO, S. Kaioshin tried to draw it when he was still young & much weaker. After years, he just didn't bother to try.
I still think S. Kaioshin creates the problem of other Kaioshin either having the potential to reach his realm of power, or just being in his own realm of power which doesn't make sense.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
It sounds like a plot hole if you ask me, given that there is almost a 1 year gap between Z-Sword's introduction & Pure Boo's introduction, and since we know that Toriyama doesn't plan things & forgets easily minor things,
Like East Kaioshin, they didn't train enough, or he liked & was more talented at fighting than them, or both. They are the same type of gods, but they don't need to be equals.Saiga wrote:I still think S. Kaioshin creates the problem of other Kaioshin either having the potential to reach his realm of power, or just being in his own realm of power which doesn't make sense.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Well, I was going to come here to rationalize my decision, but it looks like DBZGTKOSDH has it covered.
Anyway, finished Bojack Unbound and added it to my Cell Games list. My next post will be a gigantic mega-post with all of my power levels from the King Piccolo saga to the Buu saga, mostly for my own convenience.
Also, I'd like to point out that purely strength-based feats are really, really inconsistent and not good indicators of power. This inconsistency is the whole reason weighted clothing and gravity training actually do anything.
Anyway, finished Bojack Unbound and added it to my Cell Games list. My next post will be a gigantic mega-post with all of my power levels from the King Piccolo saga to the Buu saga, mostly for my own convenience.
Also, I'd like to point out that purely strength-based feats are really, really inconsistent and not good indicators of power. This inconsistency is the whole reason weighted clothing and gravity training actually do anything.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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RandomGuy96's Complete Power Levels Guide
Well, here it is. All of my power levels from the King Piccolo saga to the Buu saga. If you'll notice, most of the Z movies aren't listed here. That's because I simply didn't care enough to add them and/or I don't consider them a part of my personal canon.
MULTIPLIERS
Super Saiyan- x50
--Grade 2- x75
--Grade 3- x130
--Super Saiyan 2- x100
--Super Saiyan 3- x400
Arcosian 100% Power- x1.4
Arcosian Fifth Form- x3.5
Super Hera- x2
Kaio-Ken- x(level of Kaio-Ken)
BARDOCK: FATHER OF GOKU
Bardock- 9,800
Selypa- 1,700
Tatapo- 2,200
Pambukin- 1,620
Toma- 2,800
Dodoria- 22,000
Dodoria's Elites- 3,000
Zarbon- 23,000
Freeza- 530,000
King Vegeta: 11,000
Vegeta(Kid): 12,000
Nappa: 4,000
King Piccolo Saga
Goku- 260 (vs Young Piccolo)
--(vs Old Piccolo)- 180
Tien- 180
Yajirobe- 150
Roshi- 139
--MAX Power- 180
Krillin- 95
King Piccolo- 220
--Young- 260
Drum- 210
Tambourine- 126
Cymbal- 63
Piano- 7
Kami- 330
Popo- 310
Garlic Jr. Attacks Earth
Goku- 400
--Weighted- 378
Piccolo- 390
--Weighted- 370
Krillin- 206
Gohan (angry)- 1349
Garlic Jr- 250
--Super Garlic Jr- 750
Sansho- 230
Ginger- 222
Nicky- 201
SAIYAN SAGA
Arrival of Raditz
Goku- 416
--Kamehameha: 924
--Weighted- 396
Piccolo- 408
--Special Beam Cannon- 1,440
--Weighted- 386
Gohan- 2
--Gohan(Angry)- 1,307
Tenshinhan- 250
Krillin- 206
Yamcha- 177
Master Roshi- 139
Raditz: 1,500
Arrival of Nappa and Vegeta
Goku: 8,000
--Kaioken x2: 16,000
--Kaioken x3: 24,000
--Kaioken x4: 32,000
Piccolo: 3,500
Tenshinhan: 1,830
Krillin: 1,770
Yamcha: 1,480
Gohan: 1,000
--Angry- 2,800
Mr Popo: 1,030
Yajirobe: 970
Chaozu: 610
Kami- 220
Vegeta- 18,000
--Oozaru- 180,000
Nappa- 4,000
--Against the Z-fighters- 4,000
--Full Power- 4,000
Saibamen: 1,200
FREEZA SAGA
Prior To Super Long Battle With Freeza
Goku- 90,000
--Kaio-Ken x2- 180,000
--Kaio-Ken x10- 900,000
Vegeta- 24,000
--First Zenkai- 30,000
--Second Zenkai- 250,000
Krillin- 1800
--Initial Potential Unlocked- 13,000
--Potential Unlocked vs Ginyu-Goku- 25,000
Gohan- 1,500
--Initial Potential Unlocked- 14,000
--Potential Unlocked vs Ginyu-Goku- 27,000
Nail- 42,000
Elite Namekian Warriors- 10,000
Namekian Warriors- 3,000
Freeza- 530,000
Zarbon- 23,000
--Transformed- 30,000
Dodoria- 22,000
Cui- 18,000
Freeza Soldiers (Namek village)- 1,300
Freeza Soldiers (common)- 500-1000
Banan- 980
Sūi- 840
Captain Ginyu- 120,000
--Goku's Body- 23,000
Jeice- 43,000
Burter- 42,000
Reccoome- 41,000
Guldo- 6,000
Super Long Battle With Freeza
Goku- 3,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x10- 30,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x20- 60,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 150,000,000
Vegeta- 250,000
--Final Zenkai- 2,200,000
Piccolo- 60,000
--Fused With Nail- 1,020,000
Gohan- 200,000
Krillin- 75,000
Freeza- 530,000 (first form)
--Second Form- 1,060,000
--Third Form- 2,120,000
--Initial Final Form- 3,200,000
--Final Form (50%)- 60,000,000
--Final Form (70%)- 84,000,000
--Final Form (100%)- 120,000,000
CELL SAGA
Arrival of Mecha Freeza
Goku - 4,200,000
--Super Saiyan - 210,000,000
Trunks - 3,200,000
--Super Saiyan - 160,000,000
Piccolo - 5,000,000
Vegeta - 4,300,000
Mecha Freeza - 7,000,000 (suppressed)
--Full Power (unseen)- 140,000,000
King Cold - 6,500,000 (suppressed)
--Full Power (unseen)- 90,000,000
Cooler's Revenge
Goku - 9,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x10 - 90,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x20 - 180,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x20 Kamehameha - 215,000,000
--Super Saiyan - 450,000,000
--Super Kamehameha: 999,000,000
Piccolo - 7,800,000
Cooler (maximum true form power, 70%): 90,000,000
--Hypothetical Bulked Up 100% Power: 128,000,000
--Fifth Form: 285,000,000
--Supernova: 712,500,000
Salza: 6,800,000
Doore: 1,850,000
Neiz: 1,650,000
Trunks' Bad Future
Future Gohan- 2,400,000
--Super Saiyan: 120,000,000
Future Android 18- 210,000,000
Future Android 17- 222,000,000
Arrival of the Androids
Goku- 10,500,000
--Super Saiyan- 525,000,000
--Sick: >100,000,000
Vegeta- 11,000,000
--Super Saiyan: 555,000,000
Trunks- 3,900,000
--Super Saiyan- 195,000,000
Piccolo- 130,000,000 (full power)
Android 20- 80,000,000
--Vegeta and Piccolo's ki: 92,000,000
Android 19- 73,000,000
--Vegeta and Goku's ki: 155,000,000
Android 18- 630,000,000
Android 17- 666,000,000
Android 16- 1,900,000,000
Imperfect Cell Shows Up
Imperfect Cell Initial- 600,000,000
--Post-human meal- 1,900,000,000
Super Namek Piccolo: 650,000,000
--Light Grenade- 1,600,000,000
Metal Cooler Invades New Namek
Super Namek Piccolo: 650,000,000
Vegeta- 11,000,000
--Super Saiyan: 555,000,000
Goku- 10,000,000
--Super Saiyan: 500,000,000
Metal Cooler (Initial): 400,000,000
--First Repair: 850,000,000
--Second Repair: 1,370,000,000
Birth of Perfect Cell
Cell- 600,000,000
--Post-human meal- 1,900,000,000
--Semi-Perfect- 4,700,000,000
--Semi-Perfect (Full Power)- 5,200,000,000
--Initial Perfect- 10,000,000,000
Vegeta- 100,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 5,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan Grade 2- 7,500,000,000
--Final Flash- 18,000,000,000
Trunks: 90,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 4,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan Grade 2- 6,750,000,000
--Super Saiyan Grade 3- 11,700,000,000
Cell Games
Gohan- 440,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 22,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 44,000,000,000
--Enraged- 66,000,000,000
Goku- 280,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 15,000,000,000
--50% Power- 7,500,000,000
--Tired- 5,000,000,000
Vegeta- 230,000,0000
Super Saiyan Full Power- 11,500,000,000
Trunks- 207,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 10,350,000,000
Piccolo- 7,000,000,000
Cell- 600,000,000
--Post-human meal- 1,900,000,000
--Semi-Perfect- 4,700,000,000
--Semi-Perfect (Full Power)- 5,200,000,000
--Initial Perfect- 10,000,000,000
--Perfect (against Goku)- 18,000,000,000
--Perfect (full power)- 30,000,000,000
--Buff- 50,000,000,000
--Super Perfect-- 60,000,000,000
Cell Juniors- 13,000,000,000
--Cell Junior that the humans actually hit in filler: 1,000,000
Krillin- 570,000
Tien- 360,000
Yamcha- 298,800
Meanwhile, Back In The Future...
Future Android 18- 210,000,000
Future Android 17- 222,000,000
Initial Imperfect Cell- 600,000,000
Trunks- 207,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 10,350,000,000
Bojack Escapes
Gohan- 440,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 22,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 44,000,000,000
Vegeta- 230,000,0000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 11,500,000,000
Trunks- 207,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 10,350,000,000
Piccolo- 7,100,000,000
Bojack- 18,000,000,000
--Super Bojack- 36,000,000,000
Bido- 17,000,000,000
Zangya- 11,000,000,000
Bujin- 8,000,000,000
Kogu- 2,000,000,000
--Super Kogu- 4,000,000,000
BUU SAGA
Tournament
Goku- 750,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 37,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 75,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 300,000,000,000
Vegeta- 600,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 30,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 60,000,000,000
--Majin Vegeta (SS2)- 75,000,000,000
Gohan- 440,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 22,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 44,000,000,000
Eastern Supreme Kai- 18,000,000,000
Piccolo- 8,000,000,000
Trunks- 130,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 6,500,000,000
--Post-ROSAT- 7,100,000,000
Goten- 120,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 6,000,000,000
--Post-ROSAT- 6,600,000,000
Kibito- 400,000,000
Krillin- 600,000
Tien- 547,200,000
Babidi's Henchmen
Dabura- 50,000,000,000
Pui Pui- 58,000,000
Yakon- 9,100,000,000
Yamu- 36
Spovovitch- 31
The Many Forms Of Buu
Vegerot/Vegito/Vegetto- 130,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 6,500,000,000,000
Ultimate Gohan- 711,000,000,000
Gotenks- 1,350,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 67,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 540,000,000,000
Goku- 700,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 35,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 70,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 280,000,000,000
Kibito Kai- 54,000,000,000
Majin Buu- 300,000,000,000 (Pure/Kid)
--Fat Buu- 180,000,000,000
--Pure Good Buu/Mr.Buu- 70,000,000,000
--Pure Evil Buu- 110,000,000,000
--Super Buu- 500,000,000,000
--Buuccolo-- 521,700,000,000
--Buff Buu- 550,000,000,000
--Buutenks-- 1,048,000,000,000
--Buuhan-- 1,232,700,000,000
Southern Supreme Kai- 250,000,000,000
Mr.Satan- 9
MULTIPLIERS
Super Saiyan- x50
--Grade 2- x75
--Grade 3- x130
--Super Saiyan 2- x100
--Super Saiyan 3- x400
Arcosian 100% Power- x1.4
Arcosian Fifth Form- x3.5
Super Hera- x2
Kaio-Ken- x(level of Kaio-Ken)
BARDOCK: FATHER OF GOKU
Bardock- 9,800
Selypa- 1,700
Tatapo- 2,200
Pambukin- 1,620
Toma- 2,800
Dodoria- 22,000
Dodoria's Elites- 3,000
Zarbon- 23,000
Freeza- 530,000
King Vegeta: 11,000
Vegeta(Kid): 12,000
Nappa: 4,000
King Piccolo Saga
Goku- 260 (vs Young Piccolo)
--(vs Old Piccolo)- 180
Tien- 180
Yajirobe- 150
Roshi- 139
--MAX Power- 180
Krillin- 95
King Piccolo- 220
--Young- 260
Drum- 210
Tambourine- 126
Cymbal- 63
Piano- 7
Kami- 330
Popo- 310
Garlic Jr. Attacks Earth
Goku- 400
--Weighted- 378
Piccolo- 390
--Weighted- 370
Krillin- 206
Gohan (angry)- 1349
Garlic Jr- 250
--Super Garlic Jr- 750
Sansho- 230
Ginger- 222
Nicky- 201
SAIYAN SAGA
Arrival of Raditz
Goku- 416
--Kamehameha: 924
--Weighted- 396
Piccolo- 408
--Special Beam Cannon- 1,440
--Weighted- 386
Gohan- 2
--Gohan(Angry)- 1,307
Tenshinhan- 250
Krillin- 206
Yamcha- 177
Master Roshi- 139
Raditz: 1,500
Arrival of Nappa and Vegeta
Goku: 8,000
--Kaioken x2: 16,000
--Kaioken x3: 24,000
--Kaioken x4: 32,000
Piccolo: 3,500
Tenshinhan: 1,830
Krillin: 1,770
Yamcha: 1,480
Gohan: 1,000
--Angry- 2,800
Mr Popo: 1,030
Yajirobe: 970
Chaozu: 610
Kami- 220
Vegeta- 18,000
--Oozaru- 180,000
Nappa- 4,000
--Against the Z-fighters- 4,000
--Full Power- 4,000
Saibamen: 1,200
FREEZA SAGA
Prior To Super Long Battle With Freeza
Goku- 90,000
--Kaio-Ken x2- 180,000
--Kaio-Ken x10- 900,000
Vegeta- 24,000
--First Zenkai- 30,000
--Second Zenkai- 250,000
Krillin- 1800
--Initial Potential Unlocked- 13,000
--Potential Unlocked vs Ginyu-Goku- 25,000
Gohan- 1,500
--Initial Potential Unlocked- 14,000
--Potential Unlocked vs Ginyu-Goku- 27,000
Nail- 42,000
Elite Namekian Warriors- 10,000
Namekian Warriors- 3,000
Freeza- 530,000
Zarbon- 23,000
--Transformed- 30,000
Dodoria- 22,000
Cui- 18,000
Freeza Soldiers (Namek village)- 1,300
Freeza Soldiers (common)- 500-1000
Banan- 980
Sūi- 840
Captain Ginyu- 120,000
--Goku's Body- 23,000
Jeice- 43,000
Burter- 42,000
Reccoome- 41,000
Guldo- 6,000
Super Long Battle With Freeza
Goku- 3,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x10- 30,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x20- 60,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 150,000,000
Vegeta- 250,000
--Final Zenkai- 2,200,000
Piccolo- 60,000
--Fused With Nail- 1,020,000
Gohan- 200,000
Krillin- 75,000
Freeza- 530,000 (first form)
--Second Form- 1,060,000
--Third Form- 2,120,000
--Initial Final Form- 3,200,000
--Final Form (50%)- 60,000,000
--Final Form (70%)- 84,000,000
--Final Form (100%)- 120,000,000
CELL SAGA
Arrival of Mecha Freeza
Goku - 4,200,000
--Super Saiyan - 210,000,000
Trunks - 3,200,000
--Super Saiyan - 160,000,000
Piccolo - 5,000,000
Vegeta - 4,300,000
Mecha Freeza - 7,000,000 (suppressed)
--Full Power (unseen)- 140,000,000
King Cold - 6,500,000 (suppressed)
--Full Power (unseen)- 90,000,000
Cooler's Revenge
Goku - 9,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x10 - 90,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x20 - 180,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x20 Kamehameha - 215,000,000
--Super Saiyan - 450,000,000
--Super Kamehameha: 999,000,000
Piccolo - 7,800,000
Cooler (maximum true form power, 70%): 90,000,000
--Hypothetical Bulked Up 100% Power: 128,000,000
--Fifth Form: 285,000,000
--Supernova: 712,500,000
Salza: 6,800,000
Doore: 1,850,000
Neiz: 1,650,000
Trunks' Bad Future
Future Gohan- 2,400,000
--Super Saiyan: 120,000,000
Future Android 18- 210,000,000
Future Android 17- 222,000,000
Arrival of the Androids
Goku- 10,500,000
--Super Saiyan- 525,000,000
--Sick: >100,000,000
Vegeta- 11,000,000
--Super Saiyan: 555,000,000
Trunks- 3,900,000
--Super Saiyan- 195,000,000
Piccolo- 130,000,000 (full power)
Android 20- 80,000,000
--Vegeta and Piccolo's ki: 92,000,000
Android 19- 73,000,000
--Vegeta and Goku's ki: 155,000,000
Android 18- 630,000,000
Android 17- 666,000,000
Android 16- 1,900,000,000
Imperfect Cell Shows Up
Imperfect Cell Initial- 600,000,000
--Post-human meal- 1,900,000,000
Super Namek Piccolo: 650,000,000
--Light Grenade- 1,600,000,000
Metal Cooler Invades New Namek
Super Namek Piccolo: 650,000,000
Vegeta- 11,000,000
--Super Saiyan: 555,000,000
Goku- 10,000,000
--Super Saiyan: 500,000,000
Metal Cooler (Initial): 400,000,000
--First Repair: 850,000,000
--Second Repair: 1,370,000,000
Birth of Perfect Cell
Cell- 600,000,000
--Post-human meal- 1,900,000,000
--Semi-Perfect- 4,700,000,000
--Semi-Perfect (Full Power)- 5,200,000,000
--Initial Perfect- 10,000,000,000
Vegeta- 100,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 5,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan Grade 2- 7,500,000,000
--Final Flash- 18,000,000,000
Trunks: 90,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 4,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan Grade 2- 6,750,000,000
--Super Saiyan Grade 3- 11,700,000,000
Cell Games
Gohan- 440,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 22,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 44,000,000,000
--Enraged- 66,000,000,000
Goku- 280,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 15,000,000,000
--50% Power- 7,500,000,000
--Tired- 5,000,000,000
Vegeta- 230,000,0000
Super Saiyan Full Power- 11,500,000,000
Trunks- 207,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 10,350,000,000
Piccolo- 7,000,000,000
Cell- 600,000,000
--Post-human meal- 1,900,000,000
--Semi-Perfect- 4,700,000,000
--Semi-Perfect (Full Power)- 5,200,000,000
--Initial Perfect- 10,000,000,000
--Perfect (against Goku)- 18,000,000,000
--Perfect (full power)- 30,000,000,000
--Buff- 50,000,000,000
--Super Perfect-- 60,000,000,000
Cell Juniors- 13,000,000,000
--Cell Junior that the humans actually hit in filler: 1,000,000
Krillin- 570,000
Tien- 360,000
Yamcha- 298,800
Meanwhile, Back In The Future...
Future Android 18- 210,000,000
Future Android 17- 222,000,000
Initial Imperfect Cell- 600,000,000
Trunks- 207,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 10,350,000,000
Bojack Escapes
Gohan- 440,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 22,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 44,000,000,000
Vegeta- 230,000,0000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 11,500,000,000
Trunks- 207,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 10,350,000,000
Piccolo- 7,100,000,000
Bojack- 18,000,000,000
--Super Bojack- 36,000,000,000
Bido- 17,000,000,000
Zangya- 11,000,000,000
Bujin- 8,000,000,000
Kogu- 2,000,000,000
--Super Kogu- 4,000,000,000
BUU SAGA
Tournament
Goku- 750,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 37,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 75,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 300,000,000,000
Vegeta- 600,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 30,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 60,000,000,000
--Majin Vegeta (SS2)- 75,000,000,000
Gohan- 440,000,000
--Super Saiyan Full Power- 22,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 44,000,000,000
Eastern Supreme Kai- 18,000,000,000
Piccolo- 8,000,000,000
Trunks- 130,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 6,500,000,000
--Post-ROSAT- 7,100,000,000
Goten- 120,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 6,000,000,000
--Post-ROSAT- 6,600,000,000
Kibito- 400,000,000
Krillin- 600,000
Tien- 547,200,000
Babidi's Henchmen
Dabura- 50,000,000,000
Pui Pui- 58,000,000
Yakon- 9,100,000,000
Yamu- 36
Spovovitch- 31
The Many Forms Of Buu
Vegerot/Vegito/Vegetto- 130,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 6,500,000,000,000
Ultimate Gohan- 711,000,000,000
Gotenks- 1,350,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 67,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 540,000,000,000
Goku- 700,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 35,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 2- 70,000,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 280,000,000,000
Kibito Kai- 54,000,000,000
Majin Buu- 300,000,000,000 (Pure/Kid)
--Fat Buu- 180,000,000,000
--Pure Good Buu/Mr.Buu- 70,000,000,000
--Pure Evil Buu- 110,000,000,000
--Super Buu- 500,000,000,000
--Buuccolo-- 521,700,000,000
--Buff Buu- 550,000,000,000
--Buutenks-- 1,048,000,000,000
--Buuhan-- 1,232,700,000,000
Southern Supreme Kai- 250,000,000,000
Mr.Satan- 9
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The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
I guess so. But it's only a plothole is S. Kaioshin is definitely that strong, and since the evidence that he did is rather spotty, I just don't believe he is.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It sounds like a plot hole if you ask me, given that there is almost a 1 year gap between Z-Sword's introduction & Pure Boo's introduction, and since we know that Toriyama doesn't plan things & forgets easily minor things,
I know they don't need to be equals, but it's a really huge difference. I think they'd be in the same ballpark. If S. Kaioshin was that strong, and the others were still too weak to draw the Z Sword, they'd kind of all look weak in comparison which would make it odd to focus on East being the weakling... I don't know, it just seems that I can't see any angle at which this doesn't look confusing.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: Like East Kaioshin, they didn't train enough, or he liked & was more talented at fighting than them, or both. They are the same type of gods, but they don't need to be equals.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Power level update
According to this quote from the summary, Goku's base never surpassed full power Freeza. (kaioken however is still up for debate)Changing the subject a bit, Birus says that he heard Goku was the one who defeated Freeza. However, he thinks Goku as he is now would not be capable of defeating Freeza, but apparently he can by powering up by transforming into a Super Saiyan, and yet he has never heard of Super Saiyan God.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
That wording is really confusing to me, and I'm not going to put any stock into it until I get something clearer. For instance, Goku is usually suppressed in his base state when not fighting, so he could seem weak because of that. Similar to the JSAT special, I doubt base Goku at full power would really be weak to Tarble.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Possibly. Though shouldn't they be able to sense his full capabilities and whether he is hiding them or not.Saiga wrote:That wording is really confusing to me, and I'm not going to put any stock into it until I get something clearer. For instance, Goku is usually suppressed in his base state when not fighting, so he could seem weak because of that. Similar to the JSAT special, I doubt base Goku at full power would really be weak to Tarble.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Maybe, but I don't know. Doesn't effect me because I don't have base Goku stronger than Freeza anyway.dbzfan7 wrote:Possibly. Though shouldn't they be able to sense his full capabilities and whether he is hiding them or not.Saiga wrote:That wording is really confusing to me, and I'm not going to put any stock into it until I get something clearer. For instance, Goku is usually suppressed in his base state when not fighting, so he could seem weak because of that. Similar to the JSAT special, I doubt base Goku at full power would really be weak to Tarble.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
He has to be suppressed, Future Cell pretty much confirms future Trunks > future Androids in base.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Works for me. A few key things:
- Goku is at Kaio's place to train, and is already excited to fight Beers when he and Whis arrive. He wouldn't have any reason to be suppressed.
- Beers is a lot more likely to be able to judge Goku's power than someone who relies on a scouter like Tarble.
- The context of the "can't beat Freeza like this" judgement is in regards to not being a Super Saiyan, not due to being suppressed.
I guess one could still write it off as "he was just suppressed" if they really wanted to, but for once, that'd be going against the grain. I've long believed that Goku and the other base Saiyans weren't necessarily stronger than Freeza yet at any given point (though that's not from having anything against it; just not finding it necessary). It's nice to have some extra backing for that particular stance.
- Goku is at Kaio's place to train, and is already excited to fight Beers when he and Whis arrive. He wouldn't have any reason to be suppressed.
- Beers is a lot more likely to be able to judge Goku's power than someone who relies on a scouter like Tarble.
- The context of the "can't beat Freeza like this" judgement is in regards to not being a Super Saiyan, not due to being suppressed.
I guess one could still write it off as "he was just suppressed" if they really wanted to, but for once, that'd be going against the grain. I've long believed that Goku and the other base Saiyans weren't necessarily stronger than Freeza yet at any given point (though that's not from having anything against it; just not finding it necessary). It's nice to have some extra backing for that particular stance.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Meh, Goku doesn't have to be at full power either. I also don't see why Birusu would see Goku's true power.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Oh snap, time to update my listings!JulieYBM wrote:Alrighty, time for some Battle of Gods battle powers!
Son Gokuu: stronger than his Majin Boo arc self.
Son Gohan: weaker than Bill'z.
Gotenks: weaker than Bill'z.
Vegeta: stronger than Gokuu, weaker than Bill'z.
Piccolo: Bill'z, Vegeta, Gotenks, Gohan, Gokuu, and Whis.
Giant Fish: stronger than little fish he eats.
Little Fish: weaker than the stronger fish who eats him.
Saiyan King: weaker than Bill'z foot.
Bill'z: stronger than everyone in the film but Whis.
Whis: stronger than everyonei n the film, including Bill'z.
Phew, that sure did take a while.
Son Gokuu: stronger than his Majin Boo arc self, still weaker than Freeza in his base form.
Dang, the sweat is just pourin' off'a me.