The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

[TheUltimateNinja]

What if?

Instead of Freeza coming too Namek it was Coola?

He would win.

Be a bit more detailed!

Anyway new what if scenario

What If

Chilled was capable of transforming?

Bardock would kill him with SSJ2.

[Gog]

He would win.

Be a bit more detailed!

Anyway new what if scenario

What If

Chilled was capable of transforming?

Bardock would kill him with SSJ2.

But how? and besides finial form Chilled should be leagues above him.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Be a bit more detailed!

Anyway new what if scenario

What If

Chilled was capable of transforming?

Bardock would kill him with SSJ2.

But how? and besides finial form Chilled should be leagues above him.

In that case Bardock would kill him with SSJ3. He demonstrated the ability to use these forms in XV2.

[Noah]

What if Cell and Freeza trained in a place like RoSaT? How much stronger they could get?

[TheUltimateNinja]

What if Cell and Freeza trained in a place like RoSaT? How much stronger they could get?

Cell would end up as strong as his Super Perfect state. Freeza would be as strong as he was in F except without the stamina issues.

[Noah]

Cell would end up as strong as his Super Perfect state. Freeza would be as strong as he was in F except without the stamina issues.

But keep in mind Cell already in his 'Super Perfect' state, like he was dead and still kept his body and found a place like RoSaT that he could train. Don't you think Saiyan and Freeza prodigy genes couldn't get him a huge power boost like Freeza?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Cell would end up as strong as his Super Perfect state. Freeza would be as strong as he was in F except without the stamina issues.

But keep in mind Cell already in his 'Super Perfect' state, like he was dead and still kept his body and found a place like RoSaT that he could train. Don't you think Saiyan and Freeza prodigy genes couldn't get him a huge power boost like Freeza?

No, Cell was actually already at the limit of his potential. What's the strongest form of the Saiyans? SSBlue. Freeza's strongest form? Golden Freeza.

Gold + Blue = Green, and Cell was already green, in other words he already had the maximum potential of all the cells within him and he still got wrecked by SSJ2 Gohan.

[Noah]

No, Cell was actually already at the limit of his potential. What's the strongest form of the Saiyans? SSBlue. Freeza's strongest form? Golden Freeza.

Gold + Blue = Green, and Cell was already green, in other words he already had the maximum potential of all the cells within him and he still got wrecked by SSJ2 Gohan.

We can't state that for sure, characters keep saying they reached their peak but moments after they break through it. Cell didn't live enough to improve himself, even ignoring Freeza cells, but the fact that he also has Saiyan cells I think is believable with proper training he could reach new heights.

[Gog]

Bardock would kill him with SSJ2.

But how? and besides finial form Chilled should be leagues above him.

In that case Bardock would kill him with SSJ3. He demonstrated the ability to use these forms in XV2.

It was implied in Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 that Bardock was only able to transform into Super Saiyan 3 from the power Mira and Towa gave him and besides he still would be roughly half as strong as full power finial form Chilled if my multipliers are correct.

What if Cell and Freeza trained in a place like RoSaT? How much stronger they could get?

Firstly it depends on how long they stay in there. If they stay in there for a whole year, I could see them both surpassing Whis and Vados, maybe even reaching their father's power.

No, Cell was actually already at the limit of his potential. What's the strongest form of the Saiyans? SSBlue. Freeza's strongest form? Golden Freeza.

Gold + Blue = Green, and Cell was already green, in other words he already had the maximum potential of all the cells within him and he still got wrecked by SSJ2 Gohan.

Nothing even remotely implies that Cell was at the limit of his potential. And nothing even implies that Freeza was at the peak of his maximum potential with Golden Freeza. Are you joking and the joke has just flown over my head . And besides if he was a SSB he would have had god Ki. So, uh are you having a joke?

[Noah]

Firstly it depends on how long they stay in there. If they stay in there for a whole year, I could see them both surpassing Whis and Vados, maybe even reaching their father's power.

Now, that's a little farfetched, I do think Cell and Freeza have huge potential but not that much to overwhelm Angels


Another for the thread:

What if Goku was alive and trained Goten? Would that change much?

[TheUltimateNinja]

But how? and besides finial form Chilled should be leagues above him.

In that case Bardock would kill him with SSJ3. He demonstrated the ability to use these forms in XV2.

It was implied in Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 that Bardock was only able to transform into Super Saiyan 3 from the power Mira and Towa gave him and besides he still would be roughly half as strong as full power finial form Chilled if my multipliers are correct.

Nah, the gap between Freeza's final form and his first form was ~226x, assuming Chilled was 1.5x stronger than Bardock, he would only be 339x stronger than Bardock in his final form and thus weaker than SSJ3 Bardock who would be 400x stronger than Base Bardock.

No, Cell was actually already at the limit of his potential. What's the strongest form of the Saiyans? SSBlue. Freeza's strongest form? Golden Freeza.

Gold + Blue = Green, and Cell was already green, in other words he already had the maximum potential of all the cells within him and he still got wrecked by SSJ2 Gohan.

Nothing even remotely implies that Cell was at the limit of his potential. And nothing even implies that Freeza was at the peak of his maximum potential with Golden Freeza. Are you joking and the joke has just flown over my head . And besides if he was a SSB he would have had god Ki. So, uh are you having a joke?

Actually Cell did become a God when he became perfect, the Japanese episode title for episode 160 where he reveals the power of his Perfect form says "A God of Destruction called Cell is born" showing that Perfect Cell is actually as strong as a God of Destruction.

This makes sense since he possesses the power of both SSBlue and Golden Freeza, hence he is green.

This also means Beerus is as strong as a Golden Freeza + SSBlue Goku fusion.

[Gog]

Now, that's a little farfetched, I do think Cell and Freeza have huge potential but not that much to overwhelm Angels

It actually took Whis a thousand years too get where he is now. It took Freeza about exactly four months too come with even one hundredth of his strength. I'd say that his potential is probably about a few tiers above the angel's potential. And if not a few tiers I'd imagine at the very least he could slightly surpass Vados's strength.

Another for the thread:

What if Goku was alive and trained Goten? Would that change much?

Well Goten proably would have become a battle junkie much like his father is

Nah, the gap between Freeza's final form and his first form was ~226x, assuming Chilled was 1.5x stronger than Bardock, he would only be 339x stronger than Bardock in his final form and thus weaker than SSJ3 Bardock who would be 400x stronger than Base Bardock.

I always had the gap between his finial form and first form as 300x, also Bardock would still lose regardless as Super Saiyan 3 is a garbage form.

Actually Cell did become a God when he became perfect, the Japanese episode title for episode 160 where he reveals the power of his Perfect form says "A God of Destruction called Cell is born" showing that Perfect Cell is actually as strong as a God of Destruction.

This makes sense since he possesses the power of both SSBlue and Golden Freeza, hence he is green.

This also means Beerus is as strong as a Golden Freeza + SSBlue Goku fusion.

Then that's just simply a coincidence pure and simple, as the whole entire idea for a god of destruction hadn't even been dreamed of back then. I'd just chalk it up too it being a cool title for Cell. And besides if Cell was as strong as a god of destruction then he would have crushed Gohan with his pinkie.

But if he possesses the power of both Golden Freeza and Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta then he would be stronger than Goku Black. And yeah Beerus is stronger than a Golden Freeza + SSB Goku + Vegeta Blue fusion.

[Steven Bloodriver]

Now, that's a little farfetched, I do think Cell and Freeza have huge potential but not that much to overwhelm Angels

It actually took Whis a thousand years too get where he is now. It took Freeza about exactly four months too come with even one hundredth of his strength. I'd say that his potential is probably about a few tiers above the angel's potential. And if not a few tiers I'd imagine at the very least he could slightly surpass Vados's strength.

Another for the thread:

What if Goku was alive and trained Goten? Would that change much?

Well Goten proably would have become a battle junkie much like his father is

Nah, the gap between Freeza's final form and his first form was ~226x, assuming Chilled was 1.5x stronger than Bardock, he would only be 339x stronger than Bardock in his final form and thus weaker than SSJ3 Bardock who would be 400x stronger than Base Bardock.

I always had the gap between his finial form and first form as 300x, also Bardock would still lose regardless as Super Saiyan 3 is a garbage form.

Actually Cell did become a God when he became perfect, the Japanese episode title for episode 160 where he reveals the power of his Perfect form says "A God of Destruction called Cell is born" showing that Perfect Cell is actually as strong as a God of Destruction.

This makes sense since he possesses the power of both SSBlue and Golden Freeza, hence he is green.

This also means Beerus is as strong as a Golden Freeza + SSBlue Goku fusion.

Then that's just simply a coincidence pure and simple, as the whole entire idea for a god of destruction hadn't even been dreamed of back then. I'd just chalk it up too it being a cool title for Cell. And besides if Cell was as strong as a god of destruction then he would have crushed Gohan with his pinkie.

But if he possesses the power of both Golden Freeza and Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta then he would be stronger than Goku Black. And yeah Beerus is stronger than a Golden Freeza + SSB Goku + Vegeta Blue fusion.

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[Smilodon]

What if Cell and Freeza trained in a place like RoSaT? How much stronger they could get?

Firstly it depends on how long they stay in there. If they stay in there for a whole year, I could see them both surpassing Whis and Vados, maybe even reaching their father's power.

But Toriyama said that Freeza would never surpass Beerus...
Freeza got his Golden form in 4 months (I think it's a huge mistake, they could put him in a place to train days like years...So he could get his form in 4 years of intense training for example...But they didn't)...
So, We can say Golden Freeza was as strong as Goku SSJB in U6 tournament or less (Goku trained more 3 years).
Goku showed up x10 Kaioken and he was still below Beerus...
Whis can knock Beerus out with a single punch...
Vados said she is a little stronger than Whis...

I can't see why Freeza would reach angel's level. Even Beerus level he wouldn't reach..
On the other hand, Cell has Freeza, Namekian and Sayajins cells...And he is fused with 2 androids.
I do think he can surpass Beerus if only Freeza had that potential. Imagine SSJB and Golden Freza together...And some uniques habilities like regeneration. But, again, I can't see him being at angel's level (not until we see Goku getting close to them)....
Maybe a Cell with Majin Boo's cells could reach angel's level.

[Gog]

But Toriyama said that Freeza would never surpass Beerus...
Freeza got his Golden form in 4 months (I think it's a huge mistake, they could put him in a place to train days like years...So he could get his form in 4 years of intense training for example...But they didn't)...
So, We can say Golden Freeza was as strong as Goku SSJB in U6 tournament or less (Goku trained more 3 years).
Goku showed up x10 Kaioken and he was still below Beerus...
Whis can knock Beerus out with a single punch...
Vados said she is a little stronger than Whis...

I can't see why Freeza would reach angel's level. Even Beerus level he wouldn't reach..
On the other hand, Cell has Freeza, Namekian and Sayajins cells...And he is fused with 2 androids.
I do think he can surpass Beerus if only Freeza had that potential. Imagine SSJB and Golden Freza together...And some uniques habilities like regeneration. But, again, I can't see him being at angel's level (not until we see Goku getting close to them)....
Maybe a Cell with Majin Boo's cells could reach angel's level.

Toriyama also stated that Goku and Vegeta would be weaker than Beerus and Whis for awhile, so do Goku and Vegeta have more potential than Freeza? And besides that Freeza is beyond lazy he'd never reach Beerus strength as he has literally no motivation to do so.

I'm going to try and repeat this again, it took one thousand years for Whis too reach the level that he's own, it took Freeza four months to reach one twentieth of his strength. He won't reach their strength levels not because of potential, but because this is Freeza who rushed too earth the moment he got a shiny new form, the same Freeza who never trained a day in his life and the same impatient Freeza who didn't even train longer for four months.

Actually I can't see Cell ever approaching Beerus tiers of strength, as he'd not completely made up of Freeza, Vegeta, and Goku cell's I'd put it around 50% of his DNA is those three, which would mean he'd only ever achieve 16.66% of Freeza's golden power. And he can't acheive the power of SSB, because he's not pure of heart and he has never actually done the god ritual. Namekian cell's mean little when you are literally outgunned in every area involving power and potential.

New What if!

What if?

King Cold could ascend beyond the second form?

[TheUltimateNinja]

I'm going to try and repeat this again, it took one thousand years for Whis too reach the level that he's own, it took Freeza four months to reach one twentieth of his strength. He won't reach their strength levels not because of potential, but because this is Freeza who rushed too earth the moment he got a shiny new form, the same Freeza who never trained a day in his life and the same impatient Freeza who didn't even train longer for four months.

Actually I can't see Cell ever approaching Beerus tiers of strength, as he'd not completely made up of Freeza, Vegeta, and Goku cell's I'd put it around 50% of his DNA is those three, which would mean he'd only ever achieve 16.66% of Freeza's golden power. And he can't acheive the power of SSB, because he's not pure of heart and he has never actually done the god ritual. Namekian cell's mean little when you are literally outgunned in every area involving power and potential.

New What if!

What if?

King Cold could ascend beyond the second form?

Just because Freeza improved that much in 4 months doesn't mean he can maintain that rate of improvement for an extended period of time. In less than a week Goku went from being less than 2% of Freeza's first form to being superior to him in his final form, so by your logic Goku's potential must be far greater than Freeza's,

Cold would get killed by Trunks regardless.

[Gog]

Just because Freeza improved that much in 4 months doesn't mean he can maintain that rate of improvement for an extended period of time. In less than a week Goku went from being less than 2% of Freeza's first form to being superior to him in his final form, so by your logic Goku's potential must be far greater than Freeza's,

Cold would get killed by Trunks regardless.

Of course, and that's why Freeza could never, ever surpass Beerus much less Whis. It would take a few ten too twenty years of hard work and training for him too surpass them after the initial newbie gains. Something which Freeza would have no motivation too do. Forgot the part where Goku had too become a Super Saiyan God. Also improved from less than 2% of Freeza's strength to as strong as his finial form in a week? When and where? Cause uh, I don't actually know that

Also Freeza still jumped from a power level of 150 million to god tier in four months. So it still doesn't change my point.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Just because Freeza improved that much in 4 months doesn't mean he can maintain that rate of improvement for an extended period of time. In less than a week Goku went from being less than 2% of Freeza's first form to being superior to him in his final form, so by your logic Goku's potential must be far greater than Freeza's,

Cold would get killed by Trunks regardless.

Of course, and that's why Freeza could never, ever surpass Beerus much less Whis. It would take a few ten too twenty years of hard work and training for him too surpass them after the initial newbie gains. Something which Freeza would have no motivation too do. Forgot the part where Goku had too become a Super Saiyan God. Also improved from less than 2% of Freeza's strength to as strong as his finial form in a week? When and where? Cause uh, I don't actually know that

Also Freeza still jumped from a power level of 150 million to god tier in four months. So it still doesn't change my point.

Goku went from 8,000 to 150,000,000 in 6 days.

[Gog]

Just because Freeza improved that much in 4 months doesn't mean he can maintain that rate of improvement for an extended period of time. In less than a week Goku went from being less than 2% of Freeza's first form to being superior to him in his final form, so by your logic Goku's potential must be far greater than Freeza's,

Cold would get killed by Trunks regardless.

Of course, and that's why Freeza could never, ever surpass Beerus much less Whis. It would take a few ten too twenty years of hard work and training for him too surpass them after the initial newbie gains. Something which Freeza would have no motivation too do. Forgot the part where Goku had too become a Super Saiyan God. Also improved from less than 2% of Freeza's strength to as strong as his finial form in a week? When and where? Cause uh, I don't actually know that

Also Freeza still jumped from a power level of 150 million to god tier in four months. So it still doesn't change my point.

Goku went from 8,000 to 150,000,000 in 6 days.

Goku only achieved that insane level of progress solely because of Zenkai's, gravity training and the hyperbolic time chamber, stuff that Freeza didn't have. Also when did Goku become as strong as Freeza in his base form?

New what if

What if?

Super Saiyan actually was a Golden Ozaruu?

[Noah]

Goku went from 8,000 to 150,000,000 in 6 days.

Goku only achieved that insane level of progress solely because of Zenkai's, gravity training and the hyperbolic time chamber, stuff that Freeza didn't have. Also when did Goku become as strong as Freeza in his base form?

Exactly, the correct statement would be: Goku went from 8,000 to 3,000,000 in 6 days*