"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Fizzer]

Reading this thread makes me terrified of things from video games and movies ending up in Super. Even Jaco being included feels somewhat inorganic but at least he's from a Toriyama manga which seems to exist in the same continuity as the Dragon Ball manga.

If I need to have played Xenoverse or Online or something to understand the anime or even just to know a character's backstory, I really think that's a fatal flaw. Please, nothing original to video games, no Coola or Broly or Tullece. If they do go in the direction of Makaioshin and whatnot I'd actually much rather Toriyama contradict the video games than continue from them and make the anime non-self-contained.

[LuckyCat]

Mai in Trunks' timeline could've been wished younger too.

[dbzfan7]

We didn't see Captain America start dating Peggy Carter after he was unfrozen. Heck maybe they should have shown him sucking face with her in the movies. How about that for a romantic sub plot?

[Nekis13]

I wanted "Goku Black" to be a red herring. If there was any time that I wanted Toriyama to pull a classic swerve on me, it would have been in that regard. I'll see how it plays out as you shouldn't judge a book by its cover, but I'm not really intrigued with what I'm seeing so far. If this ends up being a great arc, then Toriyama really would have pulled a rabbit out of the hat.

May be Goku Black is just a stong opponent that happens to have shape-shifting powers that for some random reason decided to look like Goku.

I'm with you, there has to be some kind of fake out. Something that makes it not just Evil Goku. No way they play possibly the most fanfiction trope care of all straight. There has to be something else. Like he's a shape shifter or something. Otherwise I don't know how I can take this seriously....unless it turns out somehow really good.

Also pretty sure Mai is supposed to be a lot older. Seriously what is up with the fetish to pair Trunks with the elderly? Mai is older than his mom is. It's basically the weird Padme/Anakin thing all over again, without the cringe dialogue.

If anything, a Evil Shapeshifter right after another would be a little too much (unless this Copy-Vegeta arc leads into something greater?).

With Mai... a lot of things can happen there, but here's my take on it.

The Pilaf Gang made the wish sometime before everyone gets killed in the alternate timeline, same thing with our timeline, which turned them into babies due to not specifying how young to become, by the time they appear in BoG they look like children as around 10 years passed, they're growing up normally. In the alternate timeline's case, the Mai we see here doesn't look very old because she had to grow up again.

It seems a little bizarre but it's the only way I can see it working.

[LightBing]

Reading this thread makes me terrified of things from video games and movies ending up in Super. Even Jaco being included feels somewhat inorganic but at least he's from a Toriyama manga which seems to exist in the same continuity as the Dragon Ball manga.

If I need to have played Xenoverse or Online or something to understand the anime or even just to know a character's backstory, I really think that's a fatal flaw. Please, nothing original to video games, no Coola or Broly or Tullece. If they do go in the direction of Makaioshin and whatnot I'd actually much rather Toriyama contradict the video games than continue from them and make the anime non-self-contained.

I agree, although it can be salvaged with a decent and informative flashback. Jaco's must have left many people scratching their heads. The main issue is how they handle it, people aren't forced to have seen every bit of Dragon Ball side materials to understand the main product.

Regarding Mai, wow I think you guys are letting your imagination run wild. I really doubt Mai's role is to be a love interest of Trunks, that's not how Mr.Toriyama works. The original "romance" was all for jokes.

[Noah]

A little bit late to the party but god damn, I don't know what to say! Even though I liked "Black" Goku and expected he to have some evil facial expressions I say that I found extremely stupid that Mirai Trunks is pairing with Mai! I mean, it doesn't make a f*** sense! In his timeline there are no Dragonballs, even if he used those on Namek, how the f*** would Pilaf Gang go there and wish for their youth? It would make sense if this Mirai Trunks is actually the main Trunks of our timeline, it could even explain the blue hair, Trunks had achieved through harsh training some kind of variation of the SSGSS transformation and Mai age, but damn Toriyama what's the problem of introduce a new character to be Trunks's wife? Why recycle old characters? Darn it.

[Gorou]

Confirmed that the Trunks we'll see in Super is the same Mirai that we already admired in Z

[Noah]

I hope this arc isn't so grim-dark and serious like the android saga was

You can't be serious, we had enough of light-hearted stuff for god's sake. I really want see some blood, brutal fights, cries and people dying having some impact.

Now this I like. Evil Goku is going to be so good. I just hope he have his normal Goku personality and not be like Turles or Bardock.

This also makes it even more confusing. Why is Mai there and why is she all grown up? I thought Future Trunks timeline split even before Pilaf and his gang made their wish?

I thought something similar, I think is hard for Toriyama to see that we had enough of Pilaf Gang and this lame TrunksxMai shipping, they're fun in DB, but that's it.

[Grimlock]

Confirmed that the Trunks we'll see in Super is the same Mirai that we already admired in Z

It was already confirmed since Dragon Ball Super twitter posted the news.

[Bullza]

Interesting. Was not expecting Trunks and Mai to be together or for Mai to really be involved what's so ever.

Black Goku is just evil Goku which isn't as disappointing as I thought it would be. I do want to see the whole outfit though.

I suppose the potara earring is why he's so powerful? Goku is supposed to be dead in Trunks timeline so I don't know what's going on there.

[Kakarotto92]

Some people are acting like the Evil Goku concept has been done to death, when in reality it was barely used in this franchise. Unless you wanna count fanfics and anime-only content like Tullece and Bardock (the later not even being evil, more like an anti-hero), the only and closest thing we ever had to an "Evil Goku" in the manga was during the Ginyu body swap.

I for one am quite hyped for Goku Black, the concept has tons of potential if done right.

[Gorou]

Confirmed that the Trunks we'll see in Super is the same Mirai that we already admired in Z

It was already confirmed since Dragon Ball Super twitter posted the news.

I know very well. That is simply to neutralize the latest theories that demand this Trunks be like another futuristic variant to the present Trunks

[Kagari]

Was hoping the Jump stuff would give us a look at some other new character designs.

[Sandubadear]

Mai in Trunks' timeline could've been wished younger too.

But there aren't Dragon Balls in Trunks' timeline.

[Sonicjamareiz]

Some people are acting like the Evil Goku concept has been done to death, when in reality it was barely used in this franchise. Unless you wanna count fanfics and anime-only content like Tullece and Bardock (the later not even being evil, more like an anti-hero), the only and closest thing we ever had to an "Evil Goku" in the manga was during the Ginyu body swap.

I for one am quite hyped for Goku Black, the concept has tons of potential if done right.

Thank you!

[Fizzer]

Some people are acting like the Evil Goku concept has been done to death, when in reality it was barely used in this franchise. Unless you wanna count fanfics and anime-only content like Tullece and Bardock (the later not even being evil, more like an anti-hero), the only and closest thing we ever had to an "Evil Goku" in the manga was during the Ginyu body swap.

I for one am quite hyped for Goku Black, the concept has tons of potential if done right.

Yep. Just because it's been done in the movies and whatnot, doesn't mean it's been done in the story of Dragon Ball. Looking at the manga, or the DB/Z/Super animes, I don't see see evil Goku having happened before.

[namekiansaiyan]

A little bit late to the party but god damn, I don't know what to say! Even though I liked "Black" Goku and expected he to have some evil facial expressions I say that I found extremely stupid that Mirai Trunks is pairing with Mai! I mean, it doesn't make a f*** sense! In his timeline there are no Dragonballs, even if he used those on Namek, how the f*** would Pilaf Gang go there and wish for their youth? It would make sense if this Mirai Trunks is actually the main Trunks of our timeline, it could even explain the blue hair, Trunks had achieved through harsh training some kind of variation of the SSGSS transformation and Mai age, but damn Toriyama what's the problem of introduce a new character to be Trunks's wife? Why recycle old characters? Darn it.

How about wait for an explanation.

[Lord Beerus]

Some people are acting like the Evil Goku concept has been done to death, when in reality it was barely used in this franchise. Unless you wanna count fanfics and anime-only content like Tullece and Bardock (the later not even being evil, more like an anti-hero), the only and closest thing we ever had to an "Evil Goku" in the manga was during the Ginyu body swap.

Don't forget Perfect Cell and Majin Boo.

[Sandubadear]

Whenever a time traveler arrived in the principal timeline, this has muted its original course. My theory is: the landing of Trunks will cause slippage of the story from the finale of the manga. It would be a good justification.

This makes sense. Kind of like the Terminator reboot.

[Smilodon]

Mai in Trunks' timeline could've been wished younger too.

But there aren't Dragon Balls in Trunks' timeline.

But it could happened before Piccolo's death.