Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Well if that means the movie won't get spoiled for us weeks before release then I'm fine with that.

We'll get all the spoilers from other people who see it.

Pretty much. Whether Julian gets in or not, the movie is going to be spoiled and discussed in this thread. It is inevitable. The only thing him getting into the film would change is accuracy of the information after watching. W'd be getting a first hand account from someone who's a native English speaker, instead of having various translations of multiple accounts of the content from Japanese fans like we occasionally already get with the regular info.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Makes me wonder if he had an idea for the 12 universes, if this movie will mention that, or if that was just a factoid that will never be explored.

I'm affraid it will be a concept to never uncover, if so this movie is just a waste of time. I'm not saying it won't be good or something, but honestly Toriyama is wasting his time with a movie that doesn't really add much to Dragon Ball if Freeza will come back and dies once again.

How would this movie be a waste of time if the 12 universe thing isn't explored? Goku can't even touch Beerus and yet you want them to explore 12 universe with stronger opponents? Also, we were just introduced to two new and big characters in Beerus and Whis, why not slow down and develop their characters a bit more? And with Whis training Goku (and Vegeta) further backs my theory that this movie is about Goku (and Vegeta) developing themselves to a calibre that can touch the likes of Beerus. You cannot just dive into the deep end right off the bat.

[Low Tone G]

Makes me wonder if he had an idea for the 12 universes, if this movie will mention that, or if that was just a factoid that will never be explored.

I'm affraid it will be a concept to never uncover, if so this movie is just a waste of time. I'm not saying it won't be good or something, but honestly Toriyama is wasting his time with a movie that doesn't really add much to Dragon Ball if Freeza will come back and dies once again.

How would this movie be a waste of time if the 12 universe thing isn't explored? Goku can't even touch Beerus and yet you want them to explore 12 universe with stronger opponents? Also, we were just introduced to two new and big characters in Beerus and Whis, why not slow down and develop their characters a bit more? And with Whis training Goku (and Vegeta) further backs my theory that this movie is about Goku (and Vegeta) developing themselves to a calibre that can touch the likes of Beerus. You cannot just dive into the deep end right off the bat.

You're right, but there isn't any hint of those universes to uncover them further. But if I am wrong, then I would welcome Freeza to be the one to open one of them.

[bleed0range]

Makes me wonder if he had an idea for the 12 universes, if this movie will mention that, or if that was just a factoid that will never be explored.

I'm affraid it will be a concept to never uncover, if so this movie is just a waste of time. I'm not saying it won't be good or something, but honestly Toriyama is wasting his time with a movie that doesn't really add much to Dragon Ball if Freeza will come back and dies once again.

How would this movie be a waste of time if the 12 universe thing isn't explored? Goku can't even touch Beerus and yet you want them to explore 12 universe with stronger opponents? Also, we were just introduced to two new and big characters in Beerus and Whis, why not slow down and develop their characters a bit more? And with Whis training Goku (and Vegeta) further backs my theory that this movie is about Goku (and Vegeta) developing themselves to a calibre that can touch the likes of Beerus. You cannot just dive into the deep end right off the bat.

Yeah, if this was a normal arc... like as though the manga was being continued.... then it would break down something like this (by chapter/or episodes in the anime)

Chapter I: Super Saiyan God?! Lord Beerus is Awake! (covering the events up until their arrival on King Kai's planet)
Chapter 2: Goku What are you Doing!? Goku challenges the God of Destruction! (The moment when Beerus arrives on King Kai's planet and fights Beerus/loses)
Chapter 3: Happy Birthday Bulma! Beerus is coming to the party! (covers Beerus arriving at the party and Vegeta dealing with it)
Chapter 4: Pilaf returns? Trunks has a girlfriend? (covers the introduction of Pilaf's character wanting to steal the dragon balls)
Chapter 5: Vegeta Calm Beerus Down! (Covers the bingo scene with Vegeta and calming Beerus down)
Chapter 6: Mr. Buu won't share his pudding!! Beerus will destroy Earth! (Covers the initial fight between Beerus after Buu upsets him)
Chapter 7: SSJ God? Shenron knows the answer! (Goku arrives and asks Shenron how to be a super saiyan God)
Chapter 8: Finally! SSJ God! (Goku successfully transforms into SSJ God! Beerus fight begins!)
Chapter 9: Goku... loses?! (Goku loses his fight with Beerus and Beerus destroys "the earth")
Chapter 10: I'll Sleep for 3 Years. (Beerus goes back to sleep, story concludes... or does it?)

This entire movie would constitute the equivalent of the opening to the Buu arc. From Gohan attending high school up until the tournament/Majin Vegeta part where the real story begins. Beerus was not an actual threat or enemy. But it introduces his character.

Then it would be like...

Chapter 11: Goku and Vegeta Train, Don't Wake Beerus!! (after 1 year or whatever it is, they're training with Whis and accidentally wake up Beerus)
Chapter 12: The Worst Wish in History! (Introduces more characters with Tagoma and Sorbet using the dragon balls to wish back Freeza)

Etc., etc...

My point is merely that BOG was like the opening to a broader story and just the introduction of two new characters... it wasn't the equivalent of an entire arc like the Buu arc. It was more like one volume. Volume 2 is Freeza's revival. If this movie has a cliffhanger ending it would be like another volume to conclude out the story. So on and so forth.

It's not exact, because it isn't actually the manga or the manga chapters. But that's closer to how I think it would play out if it were. BOG was just an introduction to the bigger threat. Like meeting Supreme Kai at the tournament and the mysterious nature of whether or not he is a threat or what... even the Majin Vegeta thing is just an extra side-thing to the whole picture of the real threat which was Buu.

So in other words, just because they mentioned the 12 universes doesn't mean they need to show them... YET!

[ZazamPow]

Yeah, if this was a normal arc... like as though the manga was being continued.... then it would break down something like this (by chapter/or episodes in the anime)

Chapter I: Super Saiyan God?! Lord Beerus is Awake! (covering the events up until their arrival on King Kai's planet)
Chapter 2: Goku What are you Doing!? Goku challenges the God of Destruction! (The moment when Beerus arrives on King Kai's planet and fights Beerus/loses)
Chapter 3: Happy Birthday Bulma! Beerus is coming to the party! (covers Beerus arriving at the party and Vegeta dealing with it)
Chapter 4: Pilaf returns? Trunks has a girlfriend? (covers the introduction of Pilaf's character wanting to steal the dragon balls)
Chapter 5: Vegeta Calm Beerus Down! (Covers the bingo scene with Vegeta and calming Beerus down)
Chapter 6: Mr. Buu won't share his pudding!! Beerus will destroy Earth! (Covers the initial fight between Beerus after Buu upsets him)
Chapter 7: SSJ God? Shenron knows the answer! (Goku arrives and asks Shenron how to be a super saiyan God)
Chapter 8: Finally! SSJ God! (Goku successfully transforms into SSJ God! Beerus fight begins!)
Chapter 9: Goku... loses?! (Goku loses his fight with Beerus and Beerus destroys "the earth")
Chapter 10: I'll Sleep for 3 Years. (Beerus goes back to sleep, story concludes... or does it?)

This entire movie would constitute the equivalent of the opening to the Buu arc. From Gohan attending high school up until the tournament/Majin Vegeta part where the real story begins. Beerus was not an actual threat or enemy. But it introduces his character.

Then it would be like...

Chapter 11: Goku and Vegeta Train, Don't Wake Beerus!! (after 1 year or whatever it is, they're training with Whis and accidentally wake up Beerus)
Chapter 12: The Worst Wish in History! (Introduces more characters with Tagoma and Sorbet using the dragon balls to wish back Freeza)

Etc., etc...

My point is merely that BOG was like the opening to a broader story and just the introduction of two new characters... it wasn't the equivalent of an entire arc like the Buu arc. It was more like one volume. Volume 2 is Freeza's revival. If this movie has a cliffhanger ending it would be like another volume to conclude out the story. So on and so forth.

It's not exact, because it isn't actually the manga or the manga chapters. But that's closer to how I think it would play out if it were. BOG was just an introduction to the bigger threat. Like meeting Supreme Kai at the tournament and the mysterious nature of whether or not he is a threat or what... even the Majin Vegeta thing is just an extra side-thing to the whole picture of the real threat which was Buu.

So in other words, just because they mentioned the 12 universes doesn't mean they need to show them... YET!

Nice.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I thoroughly agree about Battle of Gods not being a full arc unto itself as well as that the story is a lot more condensed because it's in movie form. Even after the Extended Editions, there were still scenes that didn't make the cut. Like the part where everyone teams up to go help Goku when he's in a pinch. I think it's worth a reminder though that similar to Battle of God's taking place over the course of one day, the Ginyu and Freeza battle also only took one day...and that was 60 chapters. I'm not sure Battle of Gods would really allow itself for that long of an adaptation, but as has already been mentioned, it's a movie and not a manga. We don't really know how Toriyama would have handled everything and what changes he might make if he were in his prime and drawing it himself during the serialization.

[sintzu]

We don't really know how Toriyama would have handled everything and what changes he might make if he were in his prime and drawing it himself during the serialization.

I thin he would have left the fighting scenes for the Anime the way he did with the Buu arc.

[peterx]

Sorry I didn't read this full thread but I've a few question regarding this new movie as I don't understand something...

1. I've read the first manga chapter of this new movie (Toyble manga) and how come Freeza is stuck on a tree in hell? Didn't he watched the Buu fight with his father, Cell, etc. completely free??
2. How come he is in is mecha form in hell? when you die in DB you should be in your original body as your mecha part is not "part" of your soul which goes to afterlife...
3. and still Freeza.... how is it even possible he 'lives' when he is sliced in hundreds right after Shenlong revival? Even his BRAIN is not even in one piece.... its f*in stupid and unrealistic even in DB standards..
4. How did Freeza's father Cold knew about Majin Buu?? He was sealed and its almost impossible to anybody remember this aside from Beerus and the Kaioshins after 5 million years... Did Beerus met with Cold/Freeza and told them this, as he met with King Vegeta in BoG movie?

So is the Toyble/Toyotaro manga is 100% accurate what we will see in the movie?? (Hope not... the movie must have more common sense......)

Hope someone can enlight me.. thanks!

[sintzu]

Sorry I didn't read this full thread but I've a few question regarding this new movie as I don't understand something...

1. I've read the first manga chapter of this new movie (Toyble manga) and how come Freeza is stuck on a tree in hell? Didn't he watched the Buu fight with his father, Cell, etc. completely free??
2. How come he is in is mecha form in hell? when you die in DB you should be in your original body as your mecha part is not "part" of your soul which goes to afterlife...
3. and still Freeza.... how is it even possible he 'lives' when he is sliced in hundreds right after Shenlong revival? Even his BRAIN is not even in one piece.... its f*in stupid and unrealistic even in DB standards..
4. How did Freeza's father Cold knew about Majin Buu?? He was sealed and its almost impossible to anybody remember this aside from Beerus and the Kaioshins after 5 million years... Did Beerus met with Cold/Freeza and told them this, as he met with King Vegeta in BoG movie?

5-So is the Toyble/Toyotaro manga is 100% accurate what we will see in the movie??

Hope someone can enlight me.. thanks!

1- That's anime filler.
2,3&4- We don't know.
5- We'll have to see the movie but it's probably pretty close.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Toyotaro's manga is at the very least taking some minor liberties. It's probably a pretty close adaptation, but there are some minor differences from what we've seen. For example, the manga has Sorbet and Tagoma use the Dragon Balls Pilaf has gathered to make his wish. We've seen scenes from the movie though of Tagoma obtaining a Dragon Ball. Whether he and Sorbet are doing this on their own and then encounter Pilaf, or if they are working with Pilaf (using him) to gather them is unknown though.

[jcogginsa]

Sorry I didn't read this full thread but I've a few question regarding this new movie as I don't understand something...

1. I've read the first manga chapter of this new movie (Toyble manga) and how come Freeza is stuck on a tree in hell? Didn't he watched the Buu fight with his father, Cell, etc. completely free??
2. How come he is in is mecha form in hell? when you die in DB you should be in your original body as your mecha part is not "part" of your soul which goes to afterlife...
3. and still Freeza.... how is it even possible he 'lives' when he is sliced in hundreds right after Shenlong revival? Even his BRAIN is not even in one piece.... its f*in stupid and unrealistic even in DB standards..
4. How did Freeza's father Cold knew about Majin Buu?? He was sealed and its almost impossible to anybody remember this aside from Beerus and the Kaioshins after 5 million years... Did Beerus met with Cold/Freeza and told them this, as he met with King Vegeta in BoG movie?

So is the Toyble/Toyotaro manga is 100% accurate what we will see in the movie?? (Hope not... the movie must have more common sense......)

Hope someone can enlight me.. thanks!

1. Anime filler
2. Also anime filler(No characters with visible mecha parts ever showed up in the after in the manga)
3. His species is tough to kill
4. Galactic legend most likely

[TripleRach]

Nice.

Please elaborate. One word is not a real post.

[peterx]

Thanks for the quick replies!

(Still the 'living' pieces Freeza annoys me the most.. He is not a Cell or Buu.. faaaar from THAT level of regeneration and consciousness..)

[bleed0range]

I thoroughly agree about Battle of Gods not being a full arc unto itself as well as that the story is a lot more condensed because it's in movie form. Even after the Extended Editions, there were still scenes that didn't make the cut. Like the part where everyone teams up to go help Goku when he's in a pinch. I think it's worth a reminder though that similar to Battle of God's taking place over the course of one day, the Ginyu and Freeza battle also only took one day...and that was 60 chapters. I'm not sure Battle of Gods would really allow itself for that long of an adaptation, but as has already been mentioned, it's a movie and not a manga. We don't really know how Toriyama would have handled everything and what changes he might make if he were in his prime and drawing it himself during the serialization.

Well of course since it is just a movie yeah we can't know for sure, but I like to think that the overall arc from these movies is still on-going and BOG was like the first several chapters and the "twist" direction of the story is suddenly... it's about reviving Freeza! Kind of like how at first in the android arc you think Freeza is the threat but wait no... It's androids/cyborgs and that's all quite a few chapters. But wait no it's not even those cyborgs, the real threat ended up being Cell. It's revealed over time. If it were done as an actual manga or anime it would be filled out a bit more to pad or extend the general plot.

Same basic idea as I outlined with buu arc first being about Gohan than the tournament and it takes a sudden turn with Supreme Kai and then you think maybe they are the threat but then you learn its babidi and buu. In a sense Beerus is the false threat and then suddenly Sorbet and Tagoma appear as new threats but wait it's actually Freeza. BOG sets the scene for the real threat as an opening to the overall arc. That's how I like to think about it.

[jcogginsa]

Thanks for the quick replies!

(Still the 'living' pieces Freeza annoys me the most.. He is not a Cell or Buu.. faaaar from THAT level of regeneration and consciousness..)

Cell could only survive what he survived because of Frieza's DNA. So anything Cell Survived Frieza Theoretically could

[peterx]

Well of course since it is just a movie yeah we can't know for sure, but I like to think that the overall arc from these movies is still on-going and BOG was like the first several chapters and the "twist" direction of the story is suddenly... it's about reviving Freeza! Kind of like how at first in the android arc you think Freeza is the threat but wait no... It's androids/cyborgs and that's all quite a few chapters. But wait no it's not even those cyborgs, the real threat ended up being Cell. It's revealed over time. If it were done as an actual manga or anime it would be filled out a bit more to pad or extend the general plot.

Same basic idea as I outlined with buu arc first being about Gohan than the tournament and it takes a sudden turn with Supreme Kai and then you think maybe they are the threat but then you learn its babidi and buu. In a sense Beerus is the false threat and then suddenly Sorbet and Tagoma appear as new threats but wait it's actually Freeza. BOG sets the scene for the real threat as an opening to the overall arc. That's how I like to think about it.

Would be nice to see some multiverse tier threat... after the 12 universe comment from Beerus and after Buu who was "only" at universal threat level
(and the real creator GOD of the multiverse should make an appearance too in the future.. one step higher level than Kaioshins)

[peterx]

Thanks for the quick replies!

(Still the 'living' pieces Freeza annoys me the most.. He is not a Cell or Buu.. faaaar from THAT level of regeneration and consciousness..)

Cell could only survive what he survived because of Freeza's DNA. So anything Cell Survived Freeza Theoretically could

I think that was rather a fusion (between Piccolo's regeneration namek DNA and Freeza's "toughness") in Cell, but Freeza alone was not this "super"

[SSJGFrieza]

Isn't someone from here going to the LA screening?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Well of course since it is just a movie yeah we can't know for sure, but I like to think that the overall arc from these movies is still on-going and BOG was like the first several chapters and the "twist" direction of the story is suddenly... it's about reviving Freeza! Kind of like how at first in the android arc you think Freeza is the threat but wait no... It's androids/cyborgs and that's all quite a few chapters. But wait no it's not even those cyborgs, the real threat ended up being Cell. It's revealed over time. If it were done as an actual manga or anime it would be filled out a bit more to pad or extend the general plot.

Same basic idea as I outlined with buu arc first being about Gohan than the tournament and it takes a sudden turn with Supreme Kai and then you think maybe they are the threat but then you learn its babidi and buu. In a sense Beerus is the false threat and then suddenly Sorbet and Tagoma appear as new threats but wait it's actually Freeza. BOG sets the scene for the real threat as an opening to the overall arc. That's how I like to think about it.

If we're going to equate it to something, I think Beerus feels like a less pathetic Raditz in the story. =P

He just shows up in search of a Super Saiyan God and ends up defeating Goku. After a little bit of "teamwork", he's taken care of and the whole thing only lasts a day. Then, roughly a year later with baby Pan, there is some training and finally the real villain shows up. xD

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Isn't someone from here going to the LA screening?

I believe a few folks here are, yes.