Dragon Box to include BOTH dub tracks?

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:15 pm

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jjgp1112 wrote:And like I said, the discs are probably already encoded at this point, so what are we even arguing about?

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jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:17 pm

I mean, maybe if this happened last month, we'd still have a reason to argue, but evidence shows that Funi usually finishes encoding the discs two months before the product is released.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:18 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:Yes, in a perfect world, nobody should be "shunned." A perfect release is one that makes all parties happy. Regardless of who received the short end of the stick in the past. Yes it sucks that FUNimation has mostly catered to dub fans in the past, but just because they're trying to make up for their mistakes doesn't mean they should drop their bread and butter. They're a company. They're not in the business to be awesome. They're in the business to make money.

How do you serve drastically different demographics though? Those who want continued widescreen releases without any trace of grain and plenty of hardcore rock tunes as manly Goku faces off chain-smoking Vegeta vs. those who...well, don't?

Here's my answer: Those who like the English version would buy the DragonBoxes, irregardless of the presence of the Faulconer track (notice I'm not saying the dub, I'm saying just the Faulconer track...which, btw, what the hell is the point anymore? It's not even the original broadcast track anymore, with the hodgepodge of takes from 1999 vs. 2005). Why? It's DragonBall Z. By everyone's admittance, it prints money.

The same cannot be said of fans of the Japanese version. Put a DVD release out there without the Japanese version and watch them spend their money on something else.

But for all intents and purposes, I don't believe FUNimation has ever tried to purposefully "shun" anybody. I think it has been a matter of misunderstanding in the past. I don't think they released the orange bricks to piss people off. I think they honestly believed everybody would like it. Also they've had Japanese language and subs on all their releases since they started doing their own DVDs.

Eh, FUNimation has taken the Japanese-version fanbase for granted, even using them as fodder for their ads before. I mean, the "You think you know GT" ad is one striking example of that. They played directly off the extreme dub fanbase mentality of "everything Japanese = homosexual." Thing is, honestly, as their competitors have fallen I think FUNimation is realizing that they need the "hardcore" fanbase because they're the return customers. After all, FUNi doesn't have a Naruto or Bleach or the like to keep the casuals coming. They can keep re-releasing DragonBall, but that does have a limit.

-Corey

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:19 pm

Yeah, this is true. I do have a question though. How exactly has FUNimation shunned sub fans? Did they not receive the exact same releases as the dub fans? Just because a majority of dub fans are content with a shoddy product, doesn't mean that they received something better.

MajinVejitaXV wrote:How do you serve drastically different demographics though?

By including all three audio tracks. *rimshot*

nathantheguitarist · Post by **nathantheguitarist** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:20 pm

I see no reason for all of this arguing. (It may have ended... but I didn't feel like trudging through the past 5 pages)

The quality won't take enough of a blow for me to care about these boxes. Both dub tracks = great, in my opinion, and it will just stand as one more time to watch through the boxset.

Honestly, I don't see how half of you guys are/were bitching about this set. It's perfect, if not damn near.

It's certainly not the Season Sets (Which I own none of, but I'm sure a lot of you guys do).

The only thing I could complain about is the lack of the Dragon Box extras, including "The Plan..."

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:21 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:Yeah, this is true. I do have a question though. How exactly has FUNimation shunned sub fans? Did they not receive the exact same releases as the dub fans? Just because a majority of dub fans are content with a shoddy product, doesn't mean that they received something better.

Yes, I'm curious of this as well. Dub fans have received the same exact releases as sub fans and almost all of them besides the first release had the Japanese audio. We (well, the majority, not me) felt your same pain with the remastered sets.

Ex-Dubbie369 · Post by **Ex-Dubbie369** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:23 pm

Y'know, I've been thinking about this whole "three music track thing" now, and I think that FUNi should be having two goals in mind when it comes to this release: Make as much money as possible, and not mess with the quality of the video and JP audio that these sets are known for.

That said, I think they should choose to use the JP track (du-hur) and the Falcouner dub track.

I have to ask, how many people are there that will only watch the show in English with the JP music. I know I enjoyed it on the season sets, but it's definitely not a deciding factor when it comes to the FUNiBoxes. I think most people who would be interested in this track are already fans of the Japanese version of the show, and thus, they have already made a decision to buy these or not.

Pretty much any dub-only fan wants the dub score, and I really don't know why they should be denied the ability to watch the DBox quality footage with their audio track. I've heard some of the Japanese version fans talk about how it "hurts the integrity of the show" or "hurts the perception of the show to other people" (I'm paraphrasing, obviously). But you know what, the general public, for the most part, has a perception of Dragon Ball that still comes from stuff from the early Ocean Dub like "next dimension" and "I can see their prarchutes" even though there hasn't been a home release of that dub since the early 2000s. Changing the dub music now will most likely alienate hardcore dub fans (because, yes, they can be hardcore too) and hurt sales.

I don't know about you, but I want a FUNiBox release of everything, DB/Z/GT, the movies, the TV specials, and the OVeffinA, but I think that will only happen if these first sets sell well, so why not make a release that you can get the most profit from?

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:25 pm

I could hug you Ex-dubbie.

Thats almost exactly what I wanted to say [about WHICH two tracks to add in] I just didnt feel like hear the lip you may catch for saying it.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:26 pm

I hate it when people say that the dub gives the show a negative reputation. No - the dragged out fights, filler, inconsistent animation, and staring contests are what give it a bad rep.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:27 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:Yeah, this is true. I do have a question though. How exactly has FUNimation shunned sub fans?

Aside from the first 5 or so years of being told that no one wanted to see/hear the Japanese version and that we were receiving a better version made especially for American audiences? ;p

Innagadadavida wrote:
MajinVejitaXV wrote:How do you serve drastically different demographics though?
By including all three audio tracks. *rimshot*

And to keep the video from looking like shit on my HD setup you...? ;p

-Corey

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:28 pm

Is it confirmed yet as to whether or not the Dub/Japanese audio track will remain in 5.1?

I reckon they could say a lot of space by down-converting it to stereo...

Ex-Dubbie369 · Post by **Ex-Dubbie369** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:28 pm

Oh, don't get me wrong. The dub track I want is with the JP music, but I'm aware that I'm in the minority, and the Japanese version ain't goin anywhere.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:28 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:I hate it when people say that the dub gives the show a negative reputation. No - the dragged out fights, filler, inconsistent animation, and staring contests are what give it a bad rep.

Yes it does, I see complaints about the show having babyish dialogue, stupid rock music and terrible acting all the time from non fans, the only thing that seems to save it is the memes that come out of it.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:31 pm

The Time Traveller wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:I hate it when people say that the dub gives the show a negative reputation. No - the dragged out fights, filler, inconsistent animation, and staring contests are what give it a bad rep.
Yes it does, I see complaints about the show having babyish dialogue, stupid rock music and terrible acting all the time from non fans, the only thing that seems to save it is the memes that come out of it.

I'd have to agree. Most people I've spoken to haven't cited anything about the fights, the filler or the animation. It's usually been about the presentation of the show in America, which makes sense given that it's the only version widely accessible on television.

-Corey

Ex-Dubbie369 · Post by **Ex-Dubbie369** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:32 pm

The Time Traveller wrote:Yes it does, I see complaints about the show having babyish dialogue, stupid rock music and terrible acting all the time from non fans, the only thing that seems to save it is the memes that come out of it.

So, do you think removing the stupid rock music will truly improve this reputation? The voices and the acting are all still there.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:33 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:Yeah, this is true. I do have a question though. How exactly has FUNimation shunned sub fans?
Aside from the first 5 or so years of being told that no one wanted to see/hear the Japanese version and that we were receiving a better version made especially for American audiences? ;p

Yeah, but that's, like, over and stuff. All fans are on an even playing field now. What's that phrase? "By gones be by gones" or something. I think they said it in the dub even.

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:
MajinVejitaXV wrote:How do you serve drastically different demographics though?
By including all three audio tracks. *rimshot*
And to keep the video from looking like shit on my HD setup you...? ;p

You're right, there's that. But we all know FUNimation can fix that problem reaaaaally easily. Let's just hope that they do.

MajinVejitaXV wrote: I'd have to agree. Most people I've spoken to haven't cited anything about the fights, the filler or the animation. It's usually been about the presentation of the show in America, which makes sense given that it's the only version widely accessible on television.

Yeah, same here. Although I have heard a lot of complaints about filler, albeit they don't know what filler is, they just know the show takes too long for things to happen.

My philosophy is that it's done though. And no amount of complaining or protest can change that. There's no telling if how FUNimation treated the show affected the popularity in the United States, but I'm glad that the show did get popular. I wouldn't have checked it out if it wasn't.

B · Post by B » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:34 pm

Ex-Dubbie369 wrote:
The Time Traveller wrote:Yes it does, I see complaints about the show having babyish dialogue, stupid rock music and terrible acting all the time from non fans, the only thing that seems to save it is the memes that come out of it.
So, do you think removing the stupid rock music will truly improve this reputation? The voices and the acting are all still there.

It's a step in the right direction. It's one less thing new fans would have to worry about if they were to ever become dedicated enough to engage in discussions like we do. One less thing to divide the fanbase, because it would be the same.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:35 pm

Ex-Dubbie369 wrote:
The Time Traveller wrote:Yes it does, I see complaints about the show having babyish dialogue, stupid rock music and terrible acting all the time from non fans, the only thing that seems to save it is the memes that come out of it.
So, do you think removing the stupid rock music will truly improve this reputation? The voices and the acting are all still there.

I don't, I just don't think it has any place on a Dragon Ball Z release since it's not Dragon Ball Z music. And since the latest DVD release is missing the Faulconer score, I really reaaaaaally doubt it'll be used any more.

Ex-Dubbie369 · Post by **Ex-Dubbie369** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:37 pm

B wrote:It's a step in the right direction. It's one less thing new fans would have to worry about if they were to ever become dedicated enough to engage in discussions like we do. One less thing to divide the fanbase, because it would be the same.

Again, it comes back to sales. Would the loss in fans buying the sets because of the removal be compensated for by new fans who haven't already bought the cheaper Season Sets? I don't think these releases are gonna be the best thing on the market for a new fan.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:37 pm

Let's face it - considering all of the things Funi did in the past, I highly doubt that the fanbase will ever be united. This forum is enough of an indicator of that. So I think it's silly to want every single new fan to become hardcore subbies or "realize the true version" of DBZ. I've never bothered to watch the show "in it's proper" form and have mostly watched the "fake" DBZ (although I have read the manga a lot), yet I've turned out fine.