What's with the name censorship?

[Sprite Satan]

So your saying that a lot people on this forum know or have watched the FUNimation dub? So there shouldn't be any confusion with names like "TIEN" and "FREEZA" because a lot of people know who you're talking about.

The name changes are obviously not to avoid confusion in anything but the most basic sense but to create a sense of uniformity about the names used on this forum and website.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

So your saying that a lot people on this forum know or have watched the FUNimation dub? So there shouldn't be any confusion with names like "TIEN" and "FREEZA" because a lot of people know who you're talking about.

The name changes are obviously not to avoid confusion in anything but the most basic sense but to create a sense of uniformity about the names used on this forum and website.

A lot of different names for the same character are used here. I've seen about 4 different spellings for the character Celipa, not too mention Freeza, Freezer and sometimes Frieza being used.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

Mike did an entire blog post about his hatred of the Fri-eza spelling. He obviously just doesn't want to see that spelling on his forum. And that's okay, because it's his forum.

[Puto]

there's still names like Chiaotzu to consider. Why am I still seeing that? I mean, fuck.

"Chiaotzu" is proper Wade-Giles romanization.

Indeed. It isn't just a bunch of random letters FUNi slapped together. They apparently recognized it as Mandarin and used a proper romanization. It makes me wonder if they had someone who spoke Chinese on staff in the early days, when you look at this combined with changes like Ten to Tien, or Shuu to Shao.

So I would object to throwing that in the filter, unless it's going to be part of some all-Pinyin movement. But I'd guess that more people would object to "Jiaozi" than they would "Chiaotzu."

Interestingly, he's called Jiaozi in the Italian manga. (And Riff in the Italian anime, but the Italian anime is riddled with name changes).

[Puto]

These three I have problems with, the rest are okay. As I have said time and time again, Frieza is an accurate translation of Freeza and is pronounced the same way, same goes for Freiza.
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"Freiza", in English, would be pronounced "Frayza". There's no way in hell you could pronounce "Frei" as "Free".

[Li'l Lemmy]

I think this is where the term "single global version" can be brought in to assist.

I'm going to (perhaps) make myself very unpopular here by spouting a little truth, and the truth is this. Those of you who are suggesting that the forum has a bias for the original Japanese version of DragonBall are absolutely 100% correct, because all of us were informed of this point-blank when we signed up.

. . . it must be recognized that fans can and will be (possibly primarily) familiar with all sorts of different versions (or "re-versionings", if you will) of the franchise. However, emphasis will be placed on the original Japanese version, as it is the single "global" version that can be enjoyed by all, and is the primary focus of Daizenshuu EX as a whole.

That preference for the original has been in place since even before the founding of this board. Whether that bias happens to push upon your own particular preference is unintentional, save for that it just does. That is nothing personal against other versions or how we feel about them. That IS something personal about Daizenshuu EX and its OWN feelings toward the original. This forum, being an extension of that site and its philosophy, will accordingly "do what it do" and retain that same slant.

Let's forget even the reasons for this, and just focus on the pure fact of it. The policy is what it is, and has been what it is for some time. I'm not saying that members shouldn't speak up when we think there should be a change. I'm saying that it's not a given that such a change SHOULD occur simply because the demand for one is present, given the setting. The administration is somewhat uncompromising in certain areas for reasons that relate to and reflect the philosophy of Daizenshuu EX as a whole. I mentioned in an earlier post that merely saying "it's what I'm used to" or "because I want it" will not be enough to change anything with regards to the whole censorship thing, but perhaps what I should have said also is that even thoughtful and well-reasoned arguments can potentially be rejected because in the end, it's just not for us to decide. People will be more receptive to an argument if you're intelligent about it, but even that stands far, far away from a guarantee that they will agree with it and modify their own behavior accordingly. And in this case, they don't have to. This is not a Congress, a Parliament, the treehouse or anything else that would halfway resemble some sort of majority rule. This is a pre-established society with its own rules, and we knew that going in.

Discussion of the rules and policies through proper debate has always been encouraged, or so I'd like to think. But stop thinking that it's your God-given right to see a change-- it ain't.


~Da Lemmy

[jjgp1112]

Eh, whatever, I'll just continue on thinking the whole concept of a word filter is ridiculous and keeping it to myself. I give up.

[Godo]

It would be nice if all non-Japanese names aren't filtered though. I was thinking about starting up a thread where the members can discuss the different names that are found in their versions, like some kind of education on the vast different translations there is, and other members can jump in and add theirs.
There are some discussions on this matter already, like in this thread, but to put them together and compare them would be neat.
(Well, that's one of my many ideas ).
Since the majority here know Funimation's names, I would for once like to put some light on all the other translations aswell, that also exist, believe it or not!

We could keep the filter practical, in the least. Spelling of the names could be checked, and some of the names that aren't that close to the originals that are used commonly.
Names such as "Sangoku" are not used here that much, from what I have seen, so filtering them wouldn't be that necessary, right?

[Taku128]

What if instead of filtering the names to the Japanese version, the filter just added an explanation? For example; "Ti­en" is filtered to "Ti­en (name for Tenshinhan in FUNimation's English dub)", or as Xyex suggested in the chat, just "Ti­en (Tenshinhan). You'd have no confusion and people would get to use the names they like! People unfamiliar with the English dub would learn something too, and it'd get rid of all of those confusing conversations where the topic is the dub name itself.

[Xyex]

What if instead of filtering the names to the Japanese version, the filter just added an explanation? For example; "Ti­en" is filtered to "Ti­en (name for Tenshinhan in FUNimation's English dub)", or just "Ti­en (Tenshinhan). You'd have no confusion and people would get to use the names they like! People unfamiliar with the English dub would learn something too, and it'd get rid of all of those confusing conversations where the topic is the dub name itself.

Or, to keep it shorter, just put the Japanese name up in parenthesis beside it. So then Tie­n becomes Ti­en (Tenshinhan), Herc­ule becomes Her­cule (Mr. Satan), etc. No real need to specify the origin of the dub name.

Or, as I've seen done elsewhere with swear words, an option for each user to turn the word filter on or off. That way if someone doesn't want the names filtered then they can switch it off. If someone does, they can have it on.

[Taku128]

Or, as I've seen done elsewhere with swear words, an option for each user to turn the word filter on or off. That way if someone doesn't want the names filtered then they can switch it off. If someone does, they can have it on.

Maybe if it's possible members could even set up their own filter lists. The current list would be the default, but members could change the list to filter to the names they'd prefer to see, or just turn it off altogether so they don't see any changes.

[Bussani]

I have a feeling Mike won't like the idea of posts like this:

"Tien's (Tenshinhan’s) first major role in the series begins at the 22nd World Martial Arts Tournament during the Tien (Tenshinhan) Shinhan Saga. He is a student of the Master Shen, who is entering Tien (Tenshinhan) and Chiaotzu to defeat the students of his rival, the Turtle Hermit Master Roshi. Tien (Tenshinhan) faces little in the way of challenge during the preliminaries and easily makes his way into the finals.

Using Chiaotzu's mental powers to fix the ordering of the matches in the quarter-finals, Tien (Tenshinhan) decides to first face off against Turtle student Yamcha, whom he had been exchanging hostile words with since the start of the tournament. Yamcha puts up a better fight then Tien (Tenshinhan) expected, but was still not a significant threat to Tien (Tenshinhan), who not only defeated him, but went further and ended the match by needlessly breaking Yamcha's leg. Soon after this fight, Tien (Tenshinhan) learns of the death of his role-model Mercenary Tao by the hands of Turtle student Goku and the tournament becomes more about revenge than victory."

Text borrowed from Dragon Ball Wikia, which...seemed appropriate, somehow.

[Taku128]

Well maybe people should learn they don't need to refer to a character by their name in every single sentence.

Besides, how many times do people talk about Tenshinhan for more then one line?

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

These three I have problems with, the rest are okay. As I have said time and time again, Frieza is an accurate translation of Freeza and is pronounced the same way, same goes for Freiza.
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"Frieza", in English, would be pronounced "Frayza". There's no way in hell you could pronounce "Frie" as "Free".

Yes there is, my Portuguese friend. Here are some examples: achieve, auntie, believe, brief, calorie, convenient, diesel, genie, grieve, movie, niece, piece and many more.

[TripleRach]

These three I have problems with, the rest are okay. As I have said time and time again, Frieza is an accurate translation of Freeza and is pronounced the same way, same goes for Freiza.
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"Frieza", in English, would be pronounced "Frayza". There's no way in hell you could pronounce "Frie" as "Free".

Yes there is, my Portuguese friend. Here are some examples: achieve, auntie, believe, brief, calorie, convenient, diesel, genie, grieve, movie, niece, piece and many more.

I don't know if you think you're correcting him, or what, but you blatantly misquoted Puto and completely changed the meaning of what he said.

It's obvious he was talking about the Freiza spelling, which usually does make a long A sound (hence the "Frayza") in English. Like the word "freight." But you're half right, since there are times when "ei" makes a long E sound, as in "seizure" or "caffeine."

English spelling rules (or the lack thereof) really suck.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

I don't know if you think you're correcting him, or what, but you blatantly misquoted Puto and completely changed the meaning of what he said.

It's obvious he was talking about the Freiza spelling, which usually does make a long A sound (hence the "Frayza") in English. Like the word "freight." But you're half right, since there are times when "ei" makes a long E sound, as in "seizure" or "caffeine."

English spelling rules (or the lack thereof) really suck.

Oh sorry, I was just correcting him because I thought he meant "ie" instead of "ei".

BTW, why was he talking about the Freiza spelling, is that ever used?

[Bussani]

BTW, why was he talking about the Freiza spelling

Because...you brought it up?

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

BTW, why was he talking about the Freiza spelling

Because...you brought it up?

No, I brought up the Frieza spelling, not the Freiza spelling.

[Adamant]

Dude, you even quoted yourself bringing up the Freiza spelling when rewriting Puto's reply.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Dude, you even quoted yourself bringing up the Freiza spelling when rewriting Puto's reply.

No, I changed the spelling to Frieza because I thought that's what he meant.