What is the worst ever thing that happened to Dragonball?

[Goku100xKamehameha]

Oh yeah....GT KILLS OFF Piccolo. No thank you to that; you just pull off a move that like.

Z killed him off for a while too. Besides, Piccolo died an extremely noble death.

Piccolo isn't my favorite character but.... I think GT is even more worse without him alive and..... why did he want to stay on Earth again?

[rereboy]

To be fair, there just isn`t a way to proof or demonstrate why we think a episode is superior to other in terms of art. Art is subjective, not objective.

The best Savage68 or Perfect could do would be post some screens from the episode but we would have the same problem. Someone would say: "I like it. I think its better than anything in Z". And someone else would say: "Nah, I prefer some of Z to this." And why would they say it? Because its their opinion, its how they feel about it. There just isn`t anything more (or at least much) to elaborate about it.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Piccolo isn't my favorite character but.... I think GT is even more worse without him alive and..... why did he want to stay on Earth again?

So nobody could use the Ultimate Dragon Balls again.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Oh yeah....GT KILLS OFF Piccolo. No thank you to that; you just pull off a move that like.

Z killed him off for a while too. Besides, Piccolo died an extremely noble death.

But it was permanent, though. Not even Goku got that kind of treatment.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[LeprikanGT]

If GT was so riddles with plot holes, they could have found another one to not have Piccolo stuck in Hell for the rest of forever.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[LeprikanGT]

DragonBall Got Tricked is more like it.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

Uh... I'm with Savage on the animation debate. How is he supposed to "prove" that an episode looks better? He's just stating his personal preference.

[Perfect]

That wouldn't be how I'd do it rereboy. I'd look for what characters are on model, I'd look for artwork errors, what cels are being used in a repetitive mannerism, and all things alike. There's a ton of things to go on. (Chibi Mystic Gohan) Uhm, you do realize regardless, anyone can add perfectly reasonable explanations as to why they think an episode looks better? All he did was post bullshit that he couldn't cover up.

[rereboy]

That wouldn't be how I'd do it rereboy. I'd look for what characters are on model, I'd look for artwork errors, what cels are being used in a repetitive mannerism, and all things alike. There's a ton of things to go on. (Chibi Mystic Gohan) Uhm, you do realize regardless, anyone can add perfectly reasonable explanations as to why they think an episode looks better? All he did was post bullshit that he couldn't cover up.

Those are animation factors which can be discussed.

But in general, when people talk about how good a episode is (story and pacing issues aside), they really are mostly referring to the art of the episode, how good it is/looks in their opinion.

Animation errors like reused backgrounds, shots or cels, artwork errors like the the wrong color for someone`s jacket or a missing hand, or the occasional off models errors in some frames, hurt the episodes but they are generally not very frequent and people just tend to dismiss them, unless they are very frequent.

What is constantly in the episode, however, is the art itself.

For example, one episode which looks amazing is the one where Trunks starts to fight Freeza. But the next episode is just bad because the art is bad. But why is it bad? Because most people dislike that art. It just looks way worse than the other one. Simply put. What more can we say about it? Not much... We just don`t like the art all that much compared to the other one... It looks way worse.
We could say that the art looks more stiff, the motion is not as fluid, the drawings themselves are not good... But we aren`t really adding much are we? Its almost as if we are grasping for straws trying to define just what we dislike about it... And that just doesn`t matter... We just don`t like how it is/looks.

[Perfect]

That wouldn't be how I'd do it rereboy. I'd look for what characters are on model, I'd look for artwork errors, what cels are being used in a repetitive mannerism, and all things alike. There's a ton of things to go on. (Chibi Mystic Gohan) Uhm, you do realize regardless, anyone can add perfectly reasonable explanations as to why they think an episode looks better? All he did was post bullshit that he couldn't cover up.

Those are animation factors which can be discussed.

But in general, when people talk about a good episode is (story and pacing issues aside), they really are mostly referring to the art of the episode, how good it is/looks in their opinion.

Animation errors like reused backgrounds, shots or cels, artwork errors like the the wrong color for someone`s jacket or a missing hand, or the occasional off models errors in some frames, hurt the episodes but they are generally not very frequent and people just tend to dismiss them, unless they are very frequent.

What is constantly in the episode, however, is the art itself.

For example, one episode which looks amazing is the one where Trunks starts to fight Freeza. But the next episode is just bad because the art is bad. But why is it bad? Because most people dislike that art. It just looks way worse than the other one. Simply put. What more can we say about it? Not much... We just don`t like the art all that much compared to the other one... It looks way worse.

Right, those are some of the few things I'd discuss, as well as counter points to whatever he brought to the table.
I also believe that the episode where Trunks slices Freeza to bits isn't bad in terms of the animation itself, more so of how the characters are drawn (triangles), in which artwork would be a heavy negative while animation would be a neutral, in the case that each is proven.

Edit @above post's edit: Case in point, when something is overly used, it's overly used. When something is obviously off model, it's off model.

[rereboy]

I added a few things to my last post.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Uh... I'm with Savage on the animation debate. How is he supposed to "prove" that an episode looks better? He's just stating his personal preference.

I believe the arguement was for Savage to have elaborated on his post a bit more. Not just say X is much better than Y, and leave it and that.

[Goten Forever]

Well personal preferance is everything but..,.
The quality of art is measured from how similiarly an art style is from one drawing to the next.

[Cipher]

Right, those are some of the few things I'd discuss, as well as counter points to whatever he brought to the table.
I also believe that the episode where Trunks slices Freeza to bits isn't bad in terms of the animation itself, more so of how the characters are drawn (triangles), in which artwork would be a heavy negative while animation would be a neutral, in the case that each is proven.

Edit @above post's edit: Case in point, when something is overly used, it's overly used. When something is obviously off model, it's off model.

Ug, thank you, thank you, thank you.

I'm constantly baffled by how many people here can't differentiate between animation and artwork. The artwork in the Studio Live (triangle) episodes is pretty terrible, but the animation is actually fine. For this reason, they will always be of a higher quality than Last House's episodes after the Cell arc, which are both horribly drawn and terribly animated. As in, the movement is stiff and terrible even for Japan, no interesting shots, etc.

Anyway, the examples a few pages back are ludicrous. You can't pick a Last House episode from GT and compare it to a movie or a Studio Cockpit (or whatever other quality studio) episode from Z. You could easily, easily flip that around. There are just as many terrible Last House episodes in Z (more, actually) and just as many episodes by good studios in GT. Anyone saying there's a huge, as in episode per episode, difference between the animation quality in the mid-to-late Buu arc and GT is pretty much full of it (although I do think the non-Last House episodes in GT are a bit more smoothly-animated on the whole).

I think the real question is which artistic direction you dig more? Z's bold colors or GT's pastel surrealism? I quite like what they did with GT.

LeprikanGT, you've made it progressively more clear with each post over the past few pages that you're fairly clueless in regards to animation, and in this last page in particular, that you're equally clueless in how to present your ideas well or contribute to discussion. This was quite possibly one of the worst "debates" I've seen in my time on this site.

[Raki]

The worst thing in my opinion is its fans that compare it to One Piece.

[SonEric84]

The worst thing in my opinion is its fans that compare it to One Piece.

While I don't agree that it's the worst thing, I really don't understand the comparison much.

I would say the worst thing is probably evolution, but at the same time I barely hear anyone talking about it so it seems to be basically forgotten for the most part. The Mr. Popo censoring is also lame, but nowhere near being the worst. I dunno, it's kind of hard for me to crown an absolute worst event.

[Savage68]

Uh... I'm with Savage on the animation debate. How is he supposed to "prove" that an episode looks better? He's just stating his personal preference.

I believe the arguement was for Savage to have elaborated on his post a bit more. Not just say X is much better than Y, and leave it and that.

Chibi can see that, and knows that it was a (sorry) stupid request / expectation to have had.

[Perfect]

Uh... I'm with Savage on the animation debate. How is he supposed to "prove" that an episode looks better? He's just stating his personal preference.

I believe the arguement was for Savage to have elaborated on his post a bit more. Not just say X is much better than Y, and leave it and that.

Chibi can see that, and knows that it was a (sorry) stupid request / expectation to have had.

Yes it was very sorry that such a low level expectation existed. ::roll::

@ Jaruka below...above...next page

I know right.