I agree with Rocketman that Vegeta would win because of his durability.Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:Saiyan Saga Vegeta Vs Kiwi
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Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
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Tenshinhan is faster than Piccolo though. And with the difference in power being that miniscule, I think Tenshinhan's speed advantage more than makes up for it.Rocketman wrote:Tenshinhan was at 250 when Raditz landed. King Piccolo was 260.Piccolo Daimao wrote:Tenshinhan wins after a mostly even battle. Even though he fought evenly with a Goku who'd surpassed his previous power by a lot, Tenshinhan still appeared to hold Goku's power from three years ago in somewhat high regard.4. Tenshinhan 23rd Budokai Vs King Piccolo
I haven't seen Kiwi in a real fight, but like Vegeta he uses dirty tactics, when backed into a corner. I think Vegeta would take this though, simply because we know a lot more about his abilities, than we do about Kiwi's. So trying to come up with a good case for Kiwi is going to be hard, when there's close to nothing to base it on.Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:Saiyan Saga Vegeta Vs Kiwi
EDIT: What about Arale vs. Gotenks?
In terms of feats Arale probably is the strongest character Toriyama has ever made:


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My money's on Gotenks. Yeah, Arale's got gag power, but so has Gotenks, plus he can manipulate his ki into conscious ghosts and can fight with a slight advantage over Super Boo, who can regenerate from ashes.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
But look at the statistics: Gotenks vs. Fat Buu: Lost. Gotenks vs. Super Buu: Pretty much lost. Gotenks vs. Super Buu again: lost. Gotenks vs. AboCado: Lost.Piccolo Daimao wrote:My money's on Gotenks. Yeah, Arale's got gag power, but so has Gotenks, plus he can manipulate his ki into conscious ghosts and can fight with a slight advantage over Super Boo, who can regenerate from ashes.
Arale's gag power is several leagues above Gotenks', and also, Gotenks can't win ever because of that he just is such a character.
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I don't care about the statistics. You're talking about Boo, btw. Gotenks was simply weaker than Fat Boo. Gotenks actually held an advantage over Super Boo once he transformed into SSj3, since he was beating his ass and was about to finish him off before he defused. And Gotenks was beating Abocado's ass even in base - Abocado just did his super blast thing and Goku, being Goku, the main character and Toei's whore, happened to be the one to finish (but not kill) him off during all the chaos. And I think Gotenks could do the same as Arale, if not more. IMO, punching a crack through the planet and knocking an opponent off of planets, the Sun and through the other side of the Earth is within Gotenks' capabilities.Godo wrote:But look at the statistics: Gotenks vs. Fat Buu: Lost. Gotenks vs. Super Buu: Pretty much lost. Gotenks vs. Super Buu again: lost. Gotenks vs. AboCado: Lost.Piccolo Daimao wrote:My money's on Gotenks. Yeah, Arale's got gag power, but so has Gotenks, plus he can manipulate his ki into conscious ghosts and can fight with a slight advantage over Super Boo, who can regenerate from ashes.
Arale's gag power is several leagues above Gotenks', and also, Gotenks can't win ever because of that he just is such a character.
And Gotenks is a gag character too. And I don't particularly like to judge characters' powers based on feats. People seem to pick and choose what they like.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
1. Lord Slug (Young) vs. First-form Freeza
2. Garlic Jr. (post-Makyo Star visitation) vs. Second-form Freeza, immortality off.
2. Garlic Jr. (post-Makyo Star visitation) vs. Second-form Freeza, immortality off.
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1) I'd give it to Slug here. His Battle Power already seemed to be pretty high even when old, and Goku seems to believe his power is beyond everything he's ever felt before. I know there's no canon timeline here, but since I think Tullece was beyond Freeza after eating the fruit, I think Slug is way stronger than Freeza here, and would win easily.
2) I always thought about this potential fight based on how Piccolo fought them, and thought they were roughly equal. Haven't seen the Garlic Jr saga in awhile, but I think Piccolo got bigger to dominate Garlic Jr. I'm not sure. I know Gohan was shown to be strong enough to own Garlic Jr and he's probably around the same level that he was at during namek when he attacked and made third form Freeza decide to transform. I guess Gohan would dominate second form Freeza the same as he did Garlic, so I think these two are most likely equal.
Anyway, I think this would be a pretty even fight that could last for awhile. I guess it depends if he has that regeneration ability or not. That could've been a natural ability or a power from his immortality. Either way, I think both would be pretty damaged by the end of the fight, but I think Freeza would take it in the end.
2) I always thought about this potential fight based on how Piccolo fought them, and thought they were roughly equal. Haven't seen the Garlic Jr saga in awhile, but I think Piccolo got bigger to dominate Garlic Jr. I'm not sure. I know Gohan was shown to be strong enough to own Garlic Jr and he's probably around the same level that he was at during namek when he attacked and made third form Freeza decide to transform. I guess Gohan would dominate second form Freeza the same as he did Garlic, so I think these two are most likely equal.
Anyway, I think this would be a pretty even fight that could last for awhile. I guess it depends if he has that regeneration ability or not. That could've been a natural ability or a power from his immortality. Either way, I think both would be pretty damaged by the end of the fight, but I think Freeza would take it in the end.
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1) I'd have to say Slug, absolutely. I see Slug as the movie Freeza. Not nearly as strong in the end, but defintely somewhere in Freeza's 4th form power range.Nineteen wrote:1. Lord Slug (Young) vs. First-form Freeza
2. Garlic Jr. (post-Makyo Star visitation) vs. Second-form Freeza, immortality off.
2) I'm (mostly) with Super Saiyan Turlast x4. Except that I think Picclo did better against 2nd form Freeza than he did against Garlic Jr. I think Garlic Jr. would win, with only moderate trouble.
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I don't think this has been done here before.
Z-Fighter Tenkaichi Budokai - even Power Levels:
Match 1.
- Piccolo (post-Kami fusion) vs. Tenshinhan (Android arc)
Match 2.
- Kuririn (Buu arc) vs. Vegeta (Buu arc)
Match 3.
- Trunks (25th Budokai) vs. Videl (25th Budokai)
Match 4.
- Son Gohan (Ultimate/Mystic version) vs. Chaozu
Match 5.
- Roshi (22nd Budokai) vs. Mr. Buu (Good version)
Match 6.
- Son Goten vs. Yajirobe (King Piccolo arc)
Match 7.
- Yamcha (Android arc) vs. Future Trunks
Match 8.
- Son Goku (Buu arc) vs. Android #18 (Buu arc)
MATCH 9.
Match 1 winner VS Match 2 winner
and so on.......
Rules/Notes:
- Buu can't absorb any of his opponents or use the Henka Beam.
- Since it's a Budokai, standard Budokai rules apply...
And thats it!
Who wins and why? (Remember that every battle is under the 'equal power level' rule)
Z-Fighter Tenkaichi Budokai - even Power Levels:
Match 1.
- Piccolo (post-Kami fusion) vs. Tenshinhan (Android arc)
Match 2.
- Kuririn (Buu arc) vs. Vegeta (Buu arc)
Match 3.
- Trunks (25th Budokai) vs. Videl (25th Budokai)
Match 4.
- Son Gohan (Ultimate/Mystic version) vs. Chaozu
Match 5.
- Roshi (22nd Budokai) vs. Mr. Buu (Good version)
Match 6.
- Son Goten vs. Yajirobe (King Piccolo arc)
Match 7.
- Yamcha (Android arc) vs. Future Trunks
Match 8.
- Son Goku (Buu arc) vs. Android #18 (Buu arc)
MATCH 9.
Match 1 winner VS Match 2 winner
and so on.......
Rules/Notes:
- Buu can't absorb any of his opponents or use the Henka Beam.
- Since it's a Budokai, standard Budokai rules apply...
And thats it!
Who wins and why? (Remember that every battle is under the 'equal power level' rule)
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I'm pretty sure Arale will end up winning due to having major toon force since she can smash planets with her own lags and crack the Earth in half with one punch.dbgtFO wrote: EDIT: What about Arale vs. Gotenks?
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With everybody at equal power levels and a Budokai ring, there's always the chance the match is settled with One Lucky Hit that makes the opponent ring out.
Winner: Tien
Without the Kienzan, Vegeta simply tanks everything Krillin throws at him.
Winner: Vegeta.
Winner: Videl by KO.
Winner: Chaozu by Ringout.
Winner: Mr. Buu.
Winner: Yajirobe.
Winner: Future Trunks.
Winner: #18.
MATCH 9.
Tien vs Vegeta
Whatever worked on Piccolo won't work again (assuming that the contestants watch the other fights). Tien's only hope is to shock Vegeta with one of his goofy-ass attacks and hope for a ringout. Otherwise, Vegeta's incredible durability comes in again.
Winner: Vegeta.
MATCH 10.
Videl vs Chaozu
Videl isn't experienced enough yet with crazy abilities. Even if she does realize the weakness, she has no means of exploiting it.
Winner: Chaozu
MATCH 11.
Mr Buu vs Yajirobe
Yajirobe has no way to damage Mr Buu, and he can't fly.
Winner: Mr. Buu
MATCH 12.
F. Trunks vs #18
Trunks gets the flashbacks and burns himself out with wild attacks.
Winner: #18
MATCH 13.
Vegeta vs Chaozu
Chaozu paralyzes Vegeta, but Vegeta has something Gohan and Videl (and kid Goku way back when) didn't - techniques that don't require him to move. The Explosive Wave and Big Bang Attack bring Chaozu down.
Winner: Vegeta
MATCH 14.
Mr. Buu vs #18
Both have infinite energy. One has infinite regeneration.
Winner: Mr. Buu
MATCH 15.
Vegeta vs Mr. Buu
Vegeta cannot damage Buu in any significant way.
Winner: Mr. Buu.
Bad start, as I don't know how to call this. Both are expert fighters with a vast array of techniques. The only disadvantage I can see is that Tien's techniques are better suited for setting up a ring out, and Piccolo's regeneration weakens him if he has to use it (and if he does have to use it, he can't afford the power drop). Based on that admittedly shaky ground, I say,In Brightest Day wrote:Match 1.
- Piccolo (post-Kami fusion) vs. Tenshinhan (Android arc)
Winner: Tien
Match 2.
- Kuririn (Buu arc) vs. Vegeta (Buu arc)
Without the Kienzan, Vegeta simply tanks everything Krillin throws at him.
Winner: Vegeta.
Videl has far more experience with the kind of fighting that'll matter at equal power levels, and her flight means Trunks can't catch a breather by taking to the sky.Match 3.
- Trunks (25th Budokai) vs. Videl (25th Budokai)
Winner: Videl by KO.
Gohan is nowhere near perceptive enough to see the hole in Chaozu's telekinesis and exploit it.Match 4.
- Son Gohan (Ultimate/Mystic version) vs. Chaozu
Winner: Chaozu by Ringout.
Mr. Buu's regeneration and rubbery body will completely fuck Roshi up unless he can manage a ringout.Match 5.
- Roshi (22nd Budokai) vs. Mr. Buu (Good version)
Winner: Mr. Buu.
Just like Present Trunks, Goten has no cards up his sleeve except the unholy amount of power he got for free.Match 6.
- Son Goten vs. Yajirobe (King Piccolo arc)
Winner: Yajirobe.
Trunks is a badass the likes of which Yamcha can't hope to be, and his militarized upbringing would cut through Yamcha's flamboyance. Also, Budokai rules state Yamcha loses in the first round.Match 7.
- Yamcha (Android arc) vs. Future Trunks
Winner: Future Trunks.
Goku's impressive array of techniques only serves to use up his energy.Match 8.
- Son Goku (Buu arc) vs. Android #18 (Buu arc)
Winner: #18.
MATCH 9.
Tien vs Vegeta
Whatever worked on Piccolo won't work again (assuming that the contestants watch the other fights). Tien's only hope is to shock Vegeta with one of his goofy-ass attacks and hope for a ringout. Otherwise, Vegeta's incredible durability comes in again.
Winner: Vegeta.
MATCH 10.
Videl vs Chaozu
Videl isn't experienced enough yet with crazy abilities. Even if she does realize the weakness, she has no means of exploiting it.
Winner: Chaozu
MATCH 11.
Mr Buu vs Yajirobe
Yajirobe has no way to damage Mr Buu, and he can't fly.
Winner: Mr. Buu
MATCH 12.
F. Trunks vs #18
Trunks gets the flashbacks and burns himself out with wild attacks.
Winner: #18
MATCH 13.
Vegeta vs Chaozu
Chaozu paralyzes Vegeta, but Vegeta has something Gohan and Videl (and kid Goku way back when) didn't - techniques that don't require him to move. The Explosive Wave and Big Bang Attack bring Chaozu down.
Winner: Vegeta
MATCH 14.
Mr. Buu vs #18
Both have infinite energy. One has infinite regeneration.
Winner: Mr. Buu
MATCH 15.
Vegeta vs Mr. Buu
Vegeta cannot damage Buu in any significant way.
Winner: Mr. Buu.
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
I've certainly never seen it before, so I think this was a nice way to make Versus Match-ups. I would have loved it, if you could play COM vs. COM in the Tournament mode in DBZ 3/Budokai 3 and choose all the characters, but you can't, so I just went into duel mode and this is the result:In Brightest Day wrote:I don't think this has been done here before.
And yes I know it's equal power levels, but in a game it's mostly balanced ain't it?
Blah, I don't know, in any case I pretty much agree with Rocketman on this, but here I'll just post what the COM decided on.
Tenshinhan started out good with a "Ki Blast Cannon", but Piccolo didn't give up. Piccolo eventually transformed into "Fused with Kami" and after much spamming of Ki blasts from both sides, Piccolo KOed Tenshinhan with a "Destructive Wave" to the back.Match 1.
- Piccolo (post-Kami fusion) vs. Tenshinhan (Android arc)
Piccolo advances to the first quarter-final.
At first Krillin transformed into "Unlock Potential", but Vegeta was the first to connect with an attack. Vegeta then went SSJ, kicked Krillin around a bit, decided it's not enough thus he went SSJ 2, followed by a Big Bang Attack, which completely overwhelmed Krillin's defenses and KOed him.Match 2.
- Kuririn (Buu arc) vs. Vegeta (Buu arc)
Vegeta advances to the first quarter-final, where he'll face greater opposition in the form of the Nameless Namek.
Trunks attacked first and it connected. Eventually Trunks went SSJ to combat Videl's incredible showing. But it wasn't enough and Videl kicked him out of bounds.Match 3.
- Trunks (25th Budokai) vs. Videl (25th Budokai)
Videl advances to the second quarter-final.
Irritatingly enough, Chaozu isn't playable in DBZ B3, so I'm just going to disqualify him.Match 4.
- Son Gohan (Ultimate/Mystic version) vs. Chaozu
Son Gohan advances to the second quarter-final, where he'll face love interest Videl.
Roshi isn't playable either, so he's disqualified as well(hope this doesn't become a trend).Match 5.
- Roshi (22nd Budokai) vs. Mr. Buu (Good version)
Mr. Buu advances to the third quarter-final.
...Fuck..!Match 6.
- Son Goten vs. Yajirobe (King Piccolo arc)
Son Goten advances to the third quarter final, where he'll face Mr. Buu.
Amazingly enough Yamcha won through Ring-Out!Match 7.
- Yamcha (Android arc) vs. Future Trunks
Yamcha advances to the 4th quarter-final.
After trying everything: Kaio-ken, Super Saiyan 2 and finally Super Saiyan, #18 eventually threw the over-exited Goku out of bounds in what I'd consider a pretty one-sided fight. #18 had most of her health intact, while Goku was nearing Zero.Match 8.
- Son Goku (Buu arc) vs. Android #18 (Buu arc)
#18 advances to the fourth quarter-final, where she'll face Yamcha of all people.
Quarter-Final 1
Piccolo(Post Kami Fusion) VS Vegeta(Buu Arc)
Both started out well and not so long after the fight had begun, Piccolo had transformed into "Fused with Kami", while Vegeta was a SSJ 2. Vegeta tried a Big Bang Attack on Piccolo, but Piccolo was able to block properly. However Vegeta decided that enough is enough and so he transformed into a SSJ 4! and tried another Big Bang Attack, but Piccolo succesfully blocked that one as well. In the end both were completely depleted and it was only a quick teleport move that allowed Piccolo to get to Vegeta, before he got to him.
Piccolo advances to the first Semi-final.
Quarter Final 2
Videl(25th Budokai) VS Son Gohan(Ultimate)
Since Gohan has only been taught that "POWA IS EVERYTHING!" Videl eventually won by Ring Out.
Videl advances to the first semi-final, where she'll face Piccolo.
Quarter-Final 3
Mr. Buu VS Son Goten
Even though Goten could become SSJ, it didn't help against Buu, who dominated the fight and ended it by using "Angry Explosion" against the little brat.
Mr. Buu advances to the second semi-final.
Quarter-Final 4
Yamcha VS #18
Prior to the fight, Yamcha, in a special cutscene, realized that "this isn't even fair," he did however land the first hit. It wasn't enough to even remotely scare #18 though, who soon thereafter used her move "Accel Dance", but Yamcha managed to escape it at the very end. He soon began a counter-attack, but #18 saw through that as well. #18 then succesfully wore Yamcha out and won the battle by KO.
#18 advances to the second semi-final, where she'll face her toughest opponent yet, Mr. Buu.
Semi-Final 1
Piccolo(Post Kami Fusion) VS Videl(25th Budokai)
Videl's apparent lack of any other ki manipulation than being able to fly didn't set her back. Instead she began a lengthy Rush sequence, which Piccolo evaded at the very end. But Videl kept going and even though Piccolo brought out his "Fused with Kami" transformation Videl managed to knock him out.
Videl advances to the final.
Semi-Final 2
Mr. Buu VS #18
Both fighters started out equally, but not much time had passed before Buu started to show, that he meant business. In the end #18 couldn't put a dent in Buu's unpredictable moveset and she was knocked out.
Buu advances to the Final Match, where he'll face Videl, who not only wants to be champion, but also wants to challenge her father in the end, so she can prove to him, that it's no good being lazy, when you are the Champ. Buu is of course there to secure, that his friend continues being the Champion.
The Final!
Videl VS Mr. Buu
Videl starts out good. Being aggresive from the start was a good idea, as she manages to start 3 lengthy rushes, which depletes most of Buu's health. Buu makes a strong comback though, as his odd and somewhat childishly executed attacks are extremely effective! In the dying seconds of the fight, both Buu and Videl are almost on the verge of being rendered unconscious and it's Videl, who succesfully rolls up behind Buu to simultaneously KO AND throw him out of bounds, that wins!
Videl now has the right to challenge the current Champion, Mr. Satan!!
The Championship Battle
Videl vs. Mr. Satan
The Champ reveals he has been training by succesfully landing the first hit AND completing a Rush sequence. It's only after a considerable amount of time has passed that Videl finally connects with a hit. Even then it's far from enough and Mr. Satan succesfully tricks Videl into thinking there's something scary on the horizon and lands the deciding blow immediately after.
Even though he can't fly and is allowed to cheat by using a jetpack, Mr. Satan has once again proved himself the Champ by succesfully defeating anyone opposing him in an overwhelming display of power, skill and technique to the tunes of his Legend of Mr. Satan theme music.
And this was my(or Budokai 3's COM) depiction of what would happen.
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Match 1.
- Piccolo (post-Kami fusion) vs. Tenshinhan (Android arc)
At the risk of being called subjective, I honestly think this would go to Piccolo. Both are very skilled warriors, but I think Piccolo has the upperhand in : battle experience (he went up against more intergalatic big baddies than Tenshinhan ), in techniques (the ones he gets from his namekian heritage + the ones he learns or developes ), in stamina and regeneration (I find it strange to think that regenerating drains him of his power,he was able to level an entire island after he grew back his arm and when he looked completely fine after he regenerated his entire body afther Trunks broke it
) and most importantly in battle smarts and knowledge (he is one of the few warrios that we see trying to outsmart his opponent and develope something of a plan. And since this is post Kami fusion, knowledge gets upgraded and he also seems more level headed. Although level-headness could also be applied to Tenshinhan)
Match 2.
- Kuririn (Buu arc) vs. Vegeta (Buu arc)
Based on mindset alone: Vegeta wants to win. He really wants to win. He really, really wants to win. Even with equal strenght I think Krillin wouldn't fair so well . Also, this is Krillin who had pretty much retired while Vegeta was training his ass off. Even if they somehow managed to be on the same level, Vegeta would probably be way more fit. While Krillin can be prove to be smart in battle I still don't think it would help him that much.
Match 3.
- Trunks (25th Budokai) vs. Videl (25th Budokai)
I give this to Videl. Reluctantly. Only because she seems more serious about fighting (her battle with Spopowitch showed just how serious) while Trunks treats it more or less like a game. However, one also has to consider that Trunks trains with his father ,who doesn't seem to be pulling punches and who I consider far more dangerous than any thug Videl ever went up against.
Match 4.
- Son Gohan (Ultimate/Mystic version) vs. Chaozu
I'd give this to Gohan again simply because, while he doesn't stand out much as a fighter aside from his anger outbursts , neither does Chaozu. If it comes down to hand to hand combat, Chaozu doesn't strand a chance and even with his abbilites, if Chaozu's most dangerous attack is to cause severe pain, it just might not be enough to keep Gohan down. Considering all that Gohan has been through, I'm pretty sure he can take a lot.
Match 5.
- Roshi (22nd Budokai) vs. Mr. Buu (Good version)
Hard to say. I'd like to think that Roshi by ring out. What I find made Buu so threatening, was his power. Take that away and all you are left with is his magic and his regeneration, but neither seem like something Roshi couldn't work around if he really put his mind up to it. Mister Buu on the other hand doesn't like he'd be able to match Roshi's shrewdness.
Match 6.
- Son Goten vs. Yajirobe (King Piccolo arc)
Strongly depends on which Goten we are talking about. Teenage Goten apparently stopped training or caring about being a fighter.
Kid Goten seemed more into it. I know I'm in the minority here, but I think Goten had more potential than Trunks simply because he managed to come up with a battle tactic against Trunks and we never see Trunks try to come up with something like that when fighting. But in the end I think Yajirobe would triumph. I think experience would play the biggest part here.
Match 7.
- Yamcha (Android arc) vs. Future Trunks
Future Trunks. He fought most of his life against opponents that were stronger than him and always managed to survive. Yamcha hasn't really been in that many life threatening battles.
Match 8.
- Son Goku (Buu arc) vs. Android #18 (Buu arc)
Son Goku. Even with the 18 infinite strength Goku is the better fighter. He'd probably find a way.
Piccolo vs. Vegeta
I'd like to think Piccolo. But barely. I have never seen Vegeta as that much of a skilled fighter. And definitely not much of a thinker during battle, especially later in the series. Once he looses his cool, it's over for him. He does have that durability though, so I do say barely.
But again, I don't deny my subjectivity.
Videl vs. Gohan
Gohan. Not much to say here.
Yajirobe vs. Roshi
Definitely Roshi.
Future Trunks vs Goku
Goku.
Piccolo vs. Gohan
Well, with equal strength, I'd say Piccolo. Gohan seems to have surpassed his teacher pretty much only in strength.
Goku vs. Roshi
Goku
Roshi barely kept up with him when they were of equal strength. I see Goku as pretty much the only fighter who could out smart Roshi.
Goku vs. Piccolo
Well Goku. I put a lot of emphasis on battle smarts and out thinking the opponent and I have to admit Goku seems the best at this.
So Goku wins the tournament....who would have thought.....
- Piccolo (post-Kami fusion) vs. Tenshinhan (Android arc)
At the risk of being called subjective, I honestly think this would go to Piccolo. Both are very skilled warriors, but I think Piccolo has the upperhand in : battle experience (he went up against more intergalatic big baddies than Tenshinhan ), in techniques (the ones he gets from his namekian heritage + the ones he learns or developes ), in stamina and regeneration (I find it strange to think that regenerating drains him of his power,he was able to level an entire island after he grew back his arm and when he looked completely fine after he regenerated his entire body afther Trunks broke it
Match 2.
- Kuririn (Buu arc) vs. Vegeta (Buu arc)
Based on mindset alone: Vegeta wants to win. He really wants to win. He really, really wants to win. Even with equal strenght I think Krillin wouldn't fair so well . Also, this is Krillin who had pretty much retired while Vegeta was training his ass off. Even if they somehow managed to be on the same level, Vegeta would probably be way more fit. While Krillin can be prove to be smart in battle I still don't think it would help him that much.
Match 3.
- Trunks (25th Budokai) vs. Videl (25th Budokai)
I give this to Videl. Reluctantly. Only because she seems more serious about fighting (her battle with Spopowitch showed just how serious) while Trunks treats it more or less like a game. However, one also has to consider that Trunks trains with his father ,who doesn't seem to be pulling punches and who I consider far more dangerous than any thug Videl ever went up against.
Match 4.
- Son Gohan (Ultimate/Mystic version) vs. Chaozu
I'd give this to Gohan again simply because, while he doesn't stand out much as a fighter aside from his anger outbursts , neither does Chaozu. If it comes down to hand to hand combat, Chaozu doesn't strand a chance and even with his abbilites, if Chaozu's most dangerous attack is to cause severe pain, it just might not be enough to keep Gohan down. Considering all that Gohan has been through, I'm pretty sure he can take a lot.
Match 5.
- Roshi (22nd Budokai) vs. Mr. Buu (Good version)
Hard to say. I'd like to think that Roshi by ring out. What I find made Buu so threatening, was his power. Take that away and all you are left with is his magic and his regeneration, but neither seem like something Roshi couldn't work around if he really put his mind up to it. Mister Buu on the other hand doesn't like he'd be able to match Roshi's shrewdness.
Match 6.
- Son Goten vs. Yajirobe (King Piccolo arc)
Strongly depends on which Goten we are talking about. Teenage Goten apparently stopped training or caring about being a fighter.
Kid Goten seemed more into it. I know I'm in the minority here, but I think Goten had more potential than Trunks simply because he managed to come up with a battle tactic against Trunks and we never see Trunks try to come up with something like that when fighting. But in the end I think Yajirobe would triumph. I think experience would play the biggest part here.
Match 7.
- Yamcha (Android arc) vs. Future Trunks
Future Trunks. He fought most of his life against opponents that were stronger than him and always managed to survive. Yamcha hasn't really been in that many life threatening battles.
Match 8.
- Son Goku (Buu arc) vs. Android #18 (Buu arc)
Son Goku. Even with the 18 infinite strength Goku is the better fighter. He'd probably find a way.
Piccolo vs. Vegeta
I'd like to think Piccolo. But barely. I have never seen Vegeta as that much of a skilled fighter. And definitely not much of a thinker during battle, especially later in the series. Once he looses his cool, it's over for him. He does have that durability though, so I do say barely.
But again, I don't deny my subjectivity.
Videl vs. Gohan
Gohan. Not much to say here.
Yajirobe vs. Roshi
Definitely Roshi.
Future Trunks vs Goku
Goku.
Piccolo vs. Gohan
Well, with equal strength, I'd say Piccolo. Gohan seems to have surpassed his teacher pretty much only in strength.
Goku vs. Roshi
Goku
Goku vs. Piccolo
Well Goku. I put a lot of emphasis on battle smarts and out thinking the opponent and I have to admit Goku seems the best at this.
So Goku wins the tournament....who would have thought.....
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
I think the word you're looking for is: biased.Michsi wrote:Match 1.
- Piccolo (post-Kami fusion) vs. Tenshinhan (Android arc)
At the risk being called subjective, I honestly think this would go to Piccolo.
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
dbgtFO wrote: I think the word you're looking for is: biased.
What's wrong with subjective? It's basically the same thing.
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Don't know. I never really understood the proper meaning of 'subjective', but it would seem that you're right.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/subjectivehttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/biased
I keep saying it to myself and 'biased' just sounds more "right" for some reason, but 'subjective' is just as good apparently...
Blah! My rambling is getting me nowhere. Carry on.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/subjectivehttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/biased
I keep saying it to myself and 'biased' just sounds more "right" for some reason, but 'subjective' is just as good apparently...
Blah! My rambling is getting me nowhere. Carry on.
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Probably because it's used more often, especially in threads like these.dbgtFO wrote:Don't know. I never really understood the proper meaning of 'subjective', but it would seem that you're right.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/subjectivehttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/biased
I keep saying it to myself and 'biased' just sounds more "right" for some reason, but 'subjective' is just as good apparently...
Blah! My rambling is getting me nowhere. Carry on.
But "subjective" is also in my language so maybe that's why it sounded OK to me.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
I thought an explosive wave and the Big Bang Attack would require Vegeta to move. The explosive wave would require Vegeta to stretch out his arms, and if not that, then the Big Bang Attack would require him to hold out his arm to fire the blast. And I thought paralysis would stop you from performing any technique. Goku didn't try to perform the Kamehameha when he was paralyzed by General Blue.Rocketman wrote:Chaozu paralyzes Vegeta, but Vegeta has something Gohan and Videl (and kid Goku way back when) didn't - techniques that don't require him to move. The Explosive Wave and Big Bang Attack bring Chaozu down.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
I wanna do an "Equal Power Tenkaichi Budokai". Same rules as In Brightest Day's.
Match 1
GT Pan vs. Buu Saga Goten
Match 2
Saiyan Saga Vegeta vs. Goku (Battle with Raditz)
Match 3
Tien (Cell Saga) vs. Krillin (Frieza Battle)
Match 4
100% Frieza vs. Perfect Body Cell
Match 5
Nappa vs. Yamcha (Finding the Androids 19 and 20)
Match 6
Raditz vs. Babidi
Match 7
Gohan (Frieza Battle) vs. Future Trunks
Match 8
Uub (End of Z) vs. Hercule
Match 9
Yajirobe (Vegeta Battle) vs. Chiaotzu (Nappa Battle)
Match 10
Videl vs. Zarbon
Match 11
Nail vs. Android 13
Match 12
Kid Trunks vs. Android 17
Match 13
Android 18 vs. Cell Jr.
Match 14
Kid Chi-Chi vs. Master Roshi
Match 15
Ginyu vs. Recoome
Match 16
Burter vs. Jeice
-Ring Outs are still a way of winning.
-Equal Power Levels
-Transformations are NOT allowed.
-Ginyu cannot Body Swap.
-Buu cannot turn anyone into candy or absorb them.
So, who would win and why?
Match 1
GT Pan vs. Buu Saga Goten
Match 2
Saiyan Saga Vegeta vs. Goku (Battle with Raditz)
Match 3
Tien (Cell Saga) vs. Krillin (Frieza Battle)
Match 4
100% Frieza vs. Perfect Body Cell
Match 5
Nappa vs. Yamcha (Finding the Androids 19 and 20)
Match 6
Raditz vs. Babidi
Match 7
Gohan (Frieza Battle) vs. Future Trunks
Match 8
Uub (End of Z) vs. Hercule
Match 9
Yajirobe (Vegeta Battle) vs. Chiaotzu (Nappa Battle)
Match 10
Videl vs. Zarbon
Match 11
Nail vs. Android 13
Match 12
Kid Trunks vs. Android 17
Match 13
Android 18 vs. Cell Jr.
Match 14
Kid Chi-Chi vs. Master Roshi
Match 15
Ginyu vs. Recoome
Match 16
Burter vs. Jeice
-Ring Outs are still a way of winning.
-Equal Power Levels
-Transformations are NOT allowed.
-Ginyu cannot Body Swap.
-Buu cannot turn anyone into candy or absorb them.
So, who would win and why?
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Yeah, I wasn't clear there. Vegeta can fire attacks without moving - that's how he killed Nappa. An Explosive Wave-BBA combo just struck me as likely.Piccolo Daimao wrote:I thought an explosive wave and the Big Bang Attack would require Vegeta to move.
There's really not enough on either to make an informed decision. I'll give it to Pan because Goten is used to pumping up with Super Saiyan.Match 1
GT Pan vs. Buu Saga Goten
Winner: Pan
Goku hadn't come up with anything new since the 23rd Budokai, so it'd basically be Goku vs Piccolo...except for Vegeta's sky-high Endurance stat.Match 2
Saiyan Saga Vegeta vs. Goku (Battle with Raditz)
Winner: Vegeta
Krillin surprises Tien with Solar Flare and rings him out.Match 3
Tenshinhan (Cell Saga) vs. Krillin (Freeza Battle)
Winner: Krillin
Cell can sense ki, has inherited skills and regeneration.Match 4
100% Freeza vs. Perfect Body Cell
Winner: Cell.
Nappa has some beef to him that'll let him take a lot of punishment from Yamcha's flashy techniques. At the same time, he's too impulsive and hot-headed when someone is able to match him.Match 5
Nappa vs. Yamcha (Finding the Androids 19 and 20)
Winner: Yamcha, shocking everyone.
Babidi has no physical skills. Unless he can possess Raditz against his will...Match 6
Raditz vs. Babidi
Winner: Raditz.
Trunks actually knows how to fight.Match 7
Gohan (Freeza Battle) vs. Future Trunks
Winner: Trunks
Hercules is a veteran martial artist, Uub is a scrawny little punk.Match 8
Uub (End of Z) vs. (the H-word)
Winner: Hercules.
Yajirobe has no way to overcome Chaozu's telekinesis.Match 9
Yajirobe (Vegeta Battle) vs. Chiaotzu (Nappa Battle)
Winner: Chaozu
Winner: Videl, for fighting experience.Match 10
Videl vs. Zarbon
Winner: #13, infinite energy.Match 11
Nail vs. Android 13
Winner: #17, infinite energy.Match 12
Kid Trunks vs. Android 17
The Jrs don't seem to have regeneration, and it's doubtful they have infinite energy.Match 13
Android 18 vs. Cell Jr.
Winner: #18.
Helmets and weapons aren't allowed. While Chichi is uncommonly strong without them, Roshi still has all his techniques.Match 14
Kid Chi-Chi vs. Master Roshi
Winner: Roshi.
Flip a coin? There's basically nothing to go on. I guess you could say Burter takes both fights for being superfast, but...Match 15
Ginyu vs. Recoome
Match 16
Burter vs. Jeice
Winner: Burter.
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Vegeta beats Pan, via durability and experience.
Cell beats Krillin via regeneration.
Yamcha beats Raditz by grabbing his tail.
Hercules beats Trunks by actual martial arts knowledge.
Chaozu beats Videl by TK.
#13 vs #17 stalemates until somebody gets ringed out.
18 beats Roshi via infinite energy.
Burter beats either Ginyu or Recoome.
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Cell defeats Vegeta. Though Cell's regeneration isn't as bullshit as Buu's, at equal power I don't think Vegeta can overwhelm it.
Yamcha beats Hercules, since Yamcha has both regular fighting experience and useful techniques against somebody who has no techniques.
Chaozu vs 13....can Choazu paralyze things that aren't alive? I say no, so 13 stomps.
18 beats Burter because inf energy.
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Cell beats Yamcha. If Vegeta couldn't do it no way in hell Yamcha could.
13 vs 18, another stalemate.
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Cell vs an Android, I would give to Cell due to his regeneration.





