The Harmony Gold Dub & Broadcast Audio Discussion Thread

Ashura · Post by **Ashura** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:16 pm

kei17 wrote:They did the same thing in the TV version, so I guess it's just that they wanted to hide Japanese characters which are totally nonsense for the Mexican viewers.

Yeah, what I mean though is that, that title screen is their own original title screen; there's no reason for those balls to be there because there's no katakana to actually erase. It just seems like whoever the artist was thought, oh, those balls are cool... let me add them to our logo too!

kei17 wrote:I rechecked episodes 2, 3, 4, and 33 of the Harmony-Gold-based Mexican Spanish dub, and I noticed that early episodes were dubbed in the same way. The original audio suddenly gets muted when characters speak, and some generic synth music plays instead. Then in episode 33, they used the ME (music & sound effects) master, so the score and sound effects are kept intact. It's probably because only early episodes were dubbed in English, and other later episodes were exported with the voice-less audio. Or maybe after they imported only some early episodes from Harmony Gold, they started importing the rest of the episodes from another country like Japan. In either case, it is now clear that the English dub had the original Kikuchi score.

I suspect if you go through the episodes and figure out which episode starts using the M&E track... that will reveal how many episodes Harmony Gold actually dubbed. IE: If use of the M&E track shows up on episode 6 and no sign of Barbara Goodson's foley is there... then that's where they stopped dubbing.

atm5508 · Post by **atm5508** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:34 pm

sangofe wrote:
kei17 wrote:I rechecked episodes 2, 3, 4, and 33 of the Harmony-Gold-based Mexican Spanish dub, and I noticed that early episodes were dubbed in the same way. The original audio suddenly gets muted when characters speak, and some generic synth music plays instead. Then in episode 33, they used the ME (music & sound effects) master, so the score and sound effects are kept intact. It's probably because only early episodes were dubbed in English, and other later episodes were exported with the voice-less audio. Or maybe after they imported only some early episodes from Harmony Gold, they started importing the rest of the episodes from another country like Japan. In either case, it is now clear that the English dub had the original Kikuchi score.
Wow, Harmony Gold had planned to go that far?

It's actually possible that they planned to go for 57-60 episodes. My only evidence of this is that Zero Y El Dragon Magico had 57-60 episodes (not sure exactly), and Harmony Gold was providing them with scripts and the opening. I don't know when (or if) they actually ran out of material from Harmony Gold, but I would guess that HG planned for at least 13 episodes.

superrayman3 · Post by **superrayman3** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:44 pm

atm5508 wrote: It's actually possibl that they planned to go for 57-60 episodes. My only evidence of this is that Zero Y El Dragon Magico had 57-60 episodes (not sure exactly), and Harmony Gold was providing them with scripts and the opening. I don't know when (or if) they actually ran out of material from Harmony Gold, but I would guess that HG planned for at least 13 episodes.

Maybe but until we start finding the HG episodes and watching them we won't know how far HG really planned to go or how far they actually got.

Ashura · Post by **Ashura** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:49 pm

Well, like I said, if you go through the Latin America Zero episodes, and figure out when Barbara Goodson's foley, etc. stops showing up and they switch to the M&E tracks, you'll likely know when they stopped dubbing.

By the way, the weird bootleg title card seems to be based upon this artwork:

But that's probably not its original form either.

atm5508 · Post by **atm5508** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:49 pm

True, this all speculative on my part.

superrayman3 · Post by **superrayman3** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:36 pm

atm5508 wrote:True, this all speculative on my part.

True it is speculation but your speculation has some good points so you might actually be onto something good.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:23 pm

What the hell happened to Bora's face on that DVD cover? O.o

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:27 pm

JulieYBM wrote:What the hell happened to Bora's face on that DVD cover? O.o

Yeah, that's one of the worst vector tracings I've seen from FUNimation. Oopa looks like a friggin' doll!

kei17 · Post by **kei17** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:47 am

Ashura wrote:I suspect if you go through the episodes and figure out which episode starts using the M&E track... that will reveal how many episodes Harmony Gold actually dubbed. IE: If use of the M&E track shows up on episode 6 and no sign of Barbara Goodson's foley is there... then that's where they stopped dubbing.

Yes that would be an easy way to know how many episodes Harmony Gold actually dubbed, but unfortunately, I don't have any more episodes. I hope someone in Central/South America still has some recordings.

superrayman3 · Post by **superrayman3** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:05 am

kei17 wrote:
Ashura wrote:I suspect if you go through the episodes and figure out which episode starts using the M&E track... that will reveal how many episodes Harmony Gold actually dubbed. IE: If use of the M&E track shows up on episode 6 and no sign of Barbara Goodson's foley is there... then that's where they stopped dubbing.
Yes that would be an easy way to know how many episodes Harmony Gold actually dubbed, but unfortunately, I don't have any more episodes. I hope someone in Central/South America still has some recordings.

I hope so too I also hope that some people will be willing to help us find and preserve the HG dub to keep it from getting lost in obscurity forever.

Pokewhiz7 · Post by **Pokewhiz7** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:03 am

I noticed someone on YouTube has some clips uploaded, and they also have that weird music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IltA2ITq ... re=related
Also, his Facebook page has some more clips of Mexican HG uploaded, including a few full episodes. If not allowed, mods, remove this link: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Zero-y-e ... 0261219743
Few things: they appear to have next-episode-previews, but I'm not sure if they're the same as the Japanese version. The next time card in Japanese is just the Dragon Ball logo from the intro. They also made their own eyecatches, but it seems the uploader cut them, but by mistake, left a bit it.

kei17 · Post by **kei17** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:20 am

Pokewhiz7 wrote:I noticed someone on YouTube has some clips uploaded, and they also have that weird music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IltA2ITq ... re=related

And that's what I mentioned on the previous page.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Zero-y-e ... 0261219743

Wow, there are episodes I don't have. The title cards are identical to the strange title screen Ashura posted.

Pokewhiz7 · Post by **Pokewhiz7** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:21 am

kei17 wrote:
Pokewhiz7 wrote:I noticed someone on YouTube has some clips uploaded, and they also have that weird music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IltA2ITq ... re=related
And that's what I mentioned on the previous page.

Oh shit, I didn't see that.

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:19 am

I'm kinda thankful Goku didn't end up with the name "Zero" in North America...

Gonstead · Post by **Gonstead** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:19 am

sangofe wrote:I'm kinda thankful Goku didn't end up with the name "Zero" in North America...

You're not the only one.

superrayman3 · Post by **superrayman3** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:53 pm

Gonstead wrote:
sangofe wrote:I'm kinda thankful Goku didn't end up with the name "Zero" in North America...
You're not the only one.

Well granted Goku being renamed to Zero in the HG dub was a bad idea by today's standards but you have to keep in mind that almost all anime in the 80's (and?) early to late 90's that was dubbed into English had major name changes to remove as many traces of (its) Japanese origin in the show as possible so it in theory would appeal to American audiences more. Am I saying that what HG did was right? Not in the slightest but back then it was a more common practice to do so in anime and keeping that in mind I can sort of see why the names were changed to what they were for better or worse.

Gonstead · Post by **Gonstead** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:07 pm

Then what about Yamcha's name change to Zedaki? Sounds more Japanese than even before.

superrayman3 · Post by **superrayman3** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:39 pm

Gonstead wrote:Then what about Yamcha's name change to Zedaki? Sounds more Japanese than even before.

True if I could guess as to what happened with Yamcha's name change they might've been thinking along the lines "hey let's change almost every characters name to get rid of most Japanese names but while we're at it lets give Yamcha the name Zedaki even though the name is japanese but hey since we changed almost every other name no one will notice the difference and it also sounds kick-ass."

ThunderPX · Post by **ThunderPX** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:56 pm

Ashura wrote:Well, like I said, if you go through the Latin America Zero episodes, and figure out when Barbara Goodson's foley, etc. stops showing up and they switch to the M&E tracks, you'll likely know when they stopped dubbing.

By the way, the weird bootleg title card seems to be based upon this artwork:

(snip)

But that's probably not its original form either.

I'm guessing they took it from here.

kei17 · Post by **kei17** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:37 pm

Gonstead wrote:Then what about Yamcha's name change to Zedaki? Sounds more Japanese than even before.

Zedaki doesn't sound Japanese at all. I am kind of shocked that you thought it did. If you ask me, it's more like a Basque word. But anyway, I do understand that they somehow tried to create a name that might sounds Japannish to English spearkers.

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