Plothole Reconciliation Thread

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Re: Plothole Reconciliation Thread

Post by White Oni » Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:03 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
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jjgp1112 wrote:The only inconsistency that I ever thought was glaring and bugged me was Cell being able to regenerate after the warp Kamehameha. That was never adequately explained.

I can comfortably pretend that Dragon ball Minus and some of Toriyama's retconorrific tidbits never happened, though.
Cell's head being intact is a sufficient, NOT necessary, condition for his regeneration.

Not sure if it helps, but that's how I deal with it.
That definitely makes sense, but it would be nice if we had some official confirmation.
Yeah, definitely.

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Re: Plothole Reconciliation Thread

Post by thatdbzguy » Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:48 pm

Freeza thinking that Gohan's dad had to be either Vegeta, Raditz, or Nappa, despite being told of there being another Saiyan on Earth earlier by Zarbon.
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Re: Plothole Reconciliation Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:59 pm

thatdbzguy wrote:Freeza thinking that Gohan's dad had to be either Vegeta, Raditz, or Nappa, despite being told of there being another Saiyan on Earth earlier by Zarbon.
How is that a plothole? Gohan was always around Vegeta in Namek arc from Freeza's point of view. Gohan looked like Raditz. Freeza didn't know Goku was coming to Namek. Explain to me how's this a plothole? Freeza didn't even know where Gohan came from and once he found out he was a Saiyan, Freeza only saw 3 Saiyans in the past 5 years.

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Re: Plothole Reconciliation Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:06 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
thatdbzguy wrote:Freeza thinking that Gohan's dad had to be either Vegeta, Raditz, or Nappa, despite being told of there being another Saiyan on Earth earlier by Zarbon.
How is that a plothole? Gohan was always around Vegeta in Namek arc from Freeza's point of view. Gohan looked like Raditz. Freeza didn't know Goku was coming to Namek. Explain to me how's this a plothole? Freeza didn't even know where Gohan came from and once he found out he was a Saiyan, Freeza only saw 3 Saiyans in the past 5 years.
Zarbon told Freeza that the only Saiyans left other than Vegeta were a guy on Earth and that guy's kid(I can't confirm, if he specifically mentioned the kid was the guy's child), thus Freeza should conclude that the kid could be the son of the guy on Earth.
Of course Freeza might have just forgotten it.

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Re: Plothole Reconciliation Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:12 pm

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thatdbzguy wrote:Freeza thinking that Gohan's dad had to be either Vegeta, Raditz, or Nappa, despite being told of there being another Saiyan on Earth earlier by Zarbon.
How is that a plothole? Gohan was always around Vegeta in Namek arc from Freeza's point of view. Gohan looked like Raditz. Freeza didn't know Goku was coming to Namek. Explain to me how's this a plothole? Freeza didn't even know where Gohan came from and once he found out he was a Saiyan, Freeza only saw 3 Saiyans in the past 5 years.
Zarbon told Freeza that the only Saiyans left other than Vegeta were a guy on Earth and that guy's kid(I can't confirm, if he specifically mentioned the kid was the guy's child), thus Freeza should conclude that the kid could be the son of the guy on Earth.
Of course Freeza might have just forgotten it.
How was Freeza suppose to know that Gohan came to Earth? I doubt Vegeta, Nappa, or Raditz would tell Freeza about having a kid(Most likely a "rape" child since the Saiyans are gone). Once again let's look at this from Freeza's point of view.

Gohan always with Vegeta. Father and Son fighting with Each other?
Raditz and Gohan looks alike.
Did not know Goku was coming to Namek.
Did not know Gohan was coming to Namek.

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Re: Plothole Reconciliation Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:45 pm

TheGmGoken wrote: How was Freeza suppose to know that Gohan came to Earth? I doubt Vegeta, Nappa, or Raditz would tell Freeza about having a kid(Most likely a "rape" child since the Saiyans are gone). Once again let's look at this from Freeza's point of view.

Gohan always with Vegeta. Father and Son fighting with Each other?
Raditz and Gohan looks alike.
Did not know Goku was coming to Namek.
Did not know Gohan was coming to Namek.
You don't think it's weird at all, that he didn't think of those earthling Saiyans, Zarbon told him about?

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Re: Plothole Reconciliation Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:50 pm

dbgtFO wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote: How was Freeza suppose to know that Gohan came to Earth? I doubt Vegeta, Nappa, or Raditz would tell Freeza about having a kid(Most likely a "rape" child since the Saiyans are gone). Once again let's look at this from Freeza's point of view.

Gohan always with Vegeta. Father and Son fighting with Each other?
Raditz and Gohan looks alike.
Did not know Goku was coming to Namek.
Did not know Gohan was coming to Namek.
You don't think it's weird at all, that he didn't think of those earthling Saiyans, Zarbon told him about?
Did Zarbon say "Those two Saiyans was coming to Namek"?

I don't think so. Vegeta a Saiyan. Gohan a Saiyan(A Kid one). Freeza could have added together that's Vegeta child. That or since Gohan is Raditz son as they look alike.

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Re: Plothole Reconciliation Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:12 am

TheGmGoken wrote: Did Zarbon say "Those two Saiyans was coming to Namek"?

I don't think so. Vegeta a Saiyan. Gohan a Saiyan(A Kid one). Freeza could have added together that's Vegeta child. That or since Gohan is Raditz son as they look alike.
It's irrelevant, that Freeza wouldn't know, they were coming to Namek. What's relevant is that he doesn't bring up the possibility. Besides he knew Vegeta went to Earth and that there were two Saiyans there, one adult and one kid. Chances are Vegeta could have brought the kid with him to Namek, but Freeza didn't so much as think of those two on Earth.

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Re: Plothole Reconciliation Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:48 pm

dbgtFO wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote: Did Zarbon say "Those two Saiyans was coming to Namek"?

I don't think so. Vegeta a Saiyan. Gohan a Saiyan(A Kid one). Freeza could have added together that's Vegeta child. That or since Gohan is Raditz son as they look alike.
It's irrelevant, that Freeza wouldn't know, they were coming to Namek. What's relevant is that he doesn't bring up the possibility. Besides he knew Vegeta went to Earth and that there were two Saiyans there, one adult and one kid. Chances are Vegeta could have brought the kid with him to Namek, but Freeza didn't so much as think of those two on Earth.
Didn't Zarbon say they(Goku and Gohan) was weak? Or is that anime only? Honestly don't see the plot hole here. Maybe not thinking 100% of every chance possible. But far from a plot hole. Honestly would had thought the same as Freeza.

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Re: Plothole Reconciliation Thread

Post by Hitiro » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:55 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Didn't Zarbon say they(Goku and Gohan) was weak? Or is that anime only? Honestly don't see the plot hole here. Maybe not thinking 100% of every chance possible. But far from a plot hole. Honestly would had thought the same as Freeza.
In the Viz translation Zarbon says that Goku and Gohan are much weaker than Vegeta. I can see why it would be considered a plot hole. If you are told a Saiyan kid exists it would be a natural assumption that, that Saiyan kid is the one in question. But Freeza talks as if it is a surprise that there is a Saiyan kid and doesn't understand who the father is even though Zarbon clearly points that out to him. Also Freeza says he has a premonition that a Saiyan, other than Vegeta, was getting strong enough to be a genuine threat.

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