Forget about Gohan, what remains are only memories

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Gohan training thing happened in the Freeza retelling. Dunno why you put much stock into it.

[NitroEX]

You know the title of this thread just fits this picture perfectly. I think the mental image Trunks had of his idol Gohan, just died right there.
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Oh God, they put Future Trunks in pink slippers... I actually facepalmed when I saw that. This damn show never runs out of cringe worthy moments.

[MozillaVulpix]

Gohan training thing happened in the Freeza retelling. Dunno why you put much stock into it.

Because they mentioned it at least another two times in the anime. At that point, it seemed to become a recurring subplot.

[OLKv3]

Gohan training thing happened in the Freeza retelling. Dunno why you put much stock into it.

Because they mentioned it at least another two times in the anime. At that point, it seemed to become a recurring subplot.

They did? When were the other times it was mentioned?

[dbgtFO]

Gohan training thing happened in the Freeza retelling. Dunno why you put much stock into it.

Because they mentioned it at least another two times in the anime. At that point, it seemed to become a recurring subplot.

They did? When were the other times it was mentioned?

I know they did in episode 30(the one where Goku and Vegeta recruit fighters for the tournament), where we also got to see them spar.
I can't recall the supposed third instance.

[Grimlock]

They did? When were the other times it was mentioned?

First was when Gohan hugged Videl and Pan (after Whis rewond time) saying he will train in order to protect them (in other words, he said that in the probably non-canon Toei's retelling of Movie 15), and then in the beginning of the Gods Tournament arc, right after Goku and others arrived where Gohan was training with Piccolo (but you shouldn't put much faith in those words, it was more like Gohan said that to provoke his fans, it was clearly words thrown in the air purposely).

[Kishido]

They did? When were the other times it was mentioned?

First was when Gohan hugged Videl and Pan (after Whis rewond time) saying he will train in order to protect them (in other words, he said that in the probably non-canon Toei's retelling of Movie 15), and then in the beginning of the Gods Tournament arc, right after Goku and others arrived where Gohan was training with Piccolo (but you shouldn't put much faith in those words, it was more like Gohan said that to provoke his fans, it was clearly words thrown in the air purposely).

Yeah and now Piccolo talks as if he isn't training anymore again... Really bad story telling and a slap in the face for all fans

[Shinomori]

Pan is the same as Goten and Trunks. They also had their debut be them being amazing. Super strong that they give the adults trouble. Already Super Saiyans. Fusing into a Super dude. Then nothing really came of it. Pan isn't going to be anything. That would mean aging people up, which they don't seem to want to, and they wouldn't give her billing anywhere near Goku and Vegeta. It's very clear the focus is on them, and is going to strictly remain on them. No one really doubted that. She is the cute funny stress relief character. Her job is to be adorable, and and put other people in wacky situations. Even when growing up the focus was hinted towards Oob, and not her. She's left behind over those 5 years while Goku spends his time with Oob.

Gohan fans shouldn't be looking into Pan. That's silly. They should be looking into Future Trunks, who essentially is exactly what people wanted from Gohan. Not the tragedy part. They wanted someone who fights to protect his family and others, over being a meat head. Someone who is no nonsense and learned from his past mistakes of messing around. Future Trunks is exactly that. He has the motivation people want Gohan to have, and the attitude they want him to have. Fighting out of necessity, but still being prepared for the worst. He and his mom after years of no Cyborg threat could have just had a time machine on standby for Vegeta and Gohan if they needed help, but instead he took responsibility into his own hands.

If they do a time skip, I strongly believe Pan will become a bigger emphasis in terms of characters with power. I see her being at the least where Gohan was during most of his childhood. (Showing his potential for power) Of course she won't steal the show away from Goku and Vegeta, although maybe Pan could pull a Gohan and become the strongest at the latter end of the series, but it is highly unlikely. All of that depends on a time skip.

Speaking of Z's ending with Uub/Oob, all of that I believe is going by the wayside. I think Toriyama realize how bad of an ending that was, and is scrapping the idea entirely. Of course this is just my speculation, but It was probably Goku's worse moment in the history of the show. He leaves his family high and dry to go train some dude nobody cares about? This is why I believe Super actually starts right after the Buu Saga, and ultimately I believe the ending of Z will be scrapped. Perhaps this time Goku will train Pan.

[SSJ Human]

They did? When were the other times it was mentioned?

First was when Gohan hugged Videl and Pan (after Whis rewond time) saying he will train in order to protect them (in other words, he said that in the probably non-canon Toei's retelling of Movie 15), and then in the beginning of the Gods Tournament arc, right after Goku and others arrived where Gohan was training with Piccolo (but you shouldn't put much faith in those words, it was more like Gohan said that to provoke his fans, it was clearly words thrown in the air purposely).

Yeah and now Piccolo talks as if he isn't training anymore again... Really bad story telling and a slap in the face for all fans

Pretty much. I love how we're all agreeing that we basically got red herring on the part of the writers.

[dbzfan7]

Pan is the same as Goten and Trunks. They also had their debut be them being amazing. Super strong that they give the adults trouble. Already Super Saiyans. Fusing into a Super dude. Then nothing really came of it. Pan isn't going to be anything. That would mean aging people up, which they don't seem to want to, and they wouldn't give her billing anywhere near Goku and Vegeta. It's very clear the focus is on them, and is going to strictly remain on them. No one really doubted that. She is the cute funny stress relief character. Her job is to be adorable, and and put other people in wacky situations. Even when growing up the focus was hinted towards Oob, and not her. She's left behind over those 5 years while Goku spends his time with Oob.

Gohan fans shouldn't be looking into Pan. That's silly. They should be looking into Future Trunks, who essentially is exactly what people wanted from Gohan. Not the tragedy part. They wanted someone who fights to protect his family and others, over being a meat head. Someone who is no nonsense and learned from his past mistakes of messing around. Future Trunks is exactly that. He has the motivation people want Gohan to have, and the attitude they want him to have. Fighting out of necessity, but still being prepared for the worst. He and his mom after years of no Cyborg threat could have just had a time machine on standby for Vegeta and Gohan if they needed help, but instead he took responsibility into his own hands.

If they do a time skip, I strongly believe Pan will become a bigger emphasis in terms of characters with power. I see her being at the least where Gohan was during most of his childhood. (Showing his potential for power) Of course she won't steal the show away from Goku and Vegeta, although maybe Pan could pull a Gohan and become the strongest at the latter end of the series, but it is highly unlikely. All of that depends on a time skip.

Speaking of Z's ending with Uub/Oob, all of that I believe is going by the wayside. I think Toriyama realize how bad of an ending that was, and is scrapping the idea entirely. Of course this is just my speculation, but It was probably Goku's worse moment in the history of the show. He leaves his family high and dry to go train some dude nobody cares about? This is why I believe Super actually starts right after the Buu Saga, and ultimately I believe the ending of Z will be scrapped. Perhaps this time Goku will train Pan.

It's highly highly unlikely. She's absolutely no different from Goten and Trunks. They also had an entire series with her in the lead, and did nothing with that. I highly doubt Toriyama has any interest in using her in such a prominent way.

They mentioned Oob still, so it doesn't seem like they're going to be throwing up out the window. If they go to the end I highly doubt they're going to throw out what solidified as the series ending. He is the future if they decide to use him, as that's exactly what he was built up to be. Pan was never built up to be the future. She's left to hang and dry, as Goku takes Oob as his apprentice.

[Shinomori]

It's highly highly unlikely. She's absolutely no different from Goten and Trunks. They also had an entire series with her in the lead, and did nothing with that. I highly doubt Toriyama has any interest in using her in such a prominent way.

They mentioned Oob still, so it doesn't seem like they're going to be throwing up out the window. If they go to the end I highly doubt they're going to throw out what solidified as the series ending. He is the future if they decide to use him, as that's exactly what he was built up to be. Pan was never built up to be the future. She's left to hang and dry, as Goku takes Oob as his apprentice.

GT shouldn't be mentioned because Toriyama had nothing to do with it. In fact, pretty much everyone saw the whole thing as a flop. Now again it's just my speculation, but the ending of Z at this point makes no sense and will probably be scrapped completely. That's not to say Oob won't appear in Super's ending or at some point in the series, I'm just saying the Z ending is irrelevant or becoming so. Pan has been featured a lot, and they are already showing her with a penchant for fighting. (As we've see her in this episode hit and kick Trunks, even having the sound effect with it that signifies fighting) If this show does a time skip, she will certainly be featured as one of the strongest characters, or becoming one of the strongest within the series. GT was a flop, and the only bigger flop than GT the show itself, was Pan's character in GT. We can't mention it in a canon sense.

Ultimately with Pan's character, when she was first introduced to us, she was introduced as a Goku-like character in that she loved to fight. At the same time, she was introduced as having even more potential than Goku, because Goku was as weak as they came in the saiyan sense of power level. Gohan as a toddler was presented with massive potential for power. Well, Pan is presented as having even more potential. So she is a mix of having Gohan's potential for power and Goku's love for fighting. If they do a time skip, I see the arrows pointing amazingly high for her character.

[dbzfan7]

It's highly highly unlikely. She's absolutely no different from Goten and Trunks. They also had an entire series with her in the lead, and did nothing with that. I highly doubt Toriyama has any interest in using her in such a prominent way.

They mentioned Oob still, so it doesn't seem like they're going to be throwing up out the window. If they go to the end I highly doubt they're going to throw out what solidified as the series ending. He is the future if they decide to use him, as that's exactly what he was built up to be. Pan was never built up to be the future. She's left to hang and dry, as Goku takes Oob as his apprentice.

GT shouldn't be mentioned because Toriyama had nothing to do with it. In fact, pretty much everyone saw the whole thing as a flop. Now again it's just my speculation, but the ending of Z at this point makes no sense and will probably be scrapped completely. That's not to say Oob won't appear in Super's ending or at some point in the series, I'm just saying the Z ending is irrelevant or becoming so. Pan has been featured a lot, and they are already showing her with a penchant for fighting. (As we've see her in this episode hit and kick Trunks, even having the sound effect with it that signifies fighting) If this show does a time skip, she will certainly be featured as one of the strongest characters, or becoming one of the strongest within the series. GT was a flop, and the only bigger flop than GT the show itself, was Pan's character in GT. We can't mention it in a canon sense.

Ultimately with Pan's character, when she was first introduced to us, she was introduced as a Goku-like character in that she loved to fight. At the same time, she was introduced as having even more potential than Goku, because Goku was as weak as they came in the saiyan sense of power level. Gohan as a toddler was presented with massive potential for power. Well, Pan is presented as having even more potential. So she is a mix of having Gohan's potential for power and Goku's love for fighting. If they do a time skip, I see the arrows pointing amazingly high for her character.

She has not been appearing a lot. She's hardly appeared overall in the grand scheme of things. She's appeared less than Krillin has appeared. She definitely will not be featured as a player at all, and like Goten and Trunks, will likely follow in their footsteps. If we're going by Toriyama, then he's barely had Pan do anything, none of what they showed in the anime is likely his doing, and she has even less appearances. She groomed to be the next character on the side. Hell this last arc had to be handed to him instead of him coming up with it himself, so if he had such a plan for Pan, he wouldn't have needed to be given the ideas for the Black arc. Oob is the one with the real set up, not Pan. Oob has no other life outside of his village and fighting. He isn't going to be going to school or whatever. If they ever time skip, he's the successor, not Pan.

Goten was a Goku like character himself. So much so even his appearance was the same. She doesn't have Goku's love a fighting, but she has a liking to the martial arts. We already had Goten and Trunks also with a massive power and potential at a younger age than Gohan, and it didn't mean anything. She is far more likely to be cast behind Goku and Vegeta, and likely going to be going to school, and living a normal life. I highly doubt the she'd forsake everything for fighting like Goku does. They are not going to scrap an ending that has been cemented into the series for years. They'll like everything else, tie everything into that ending. Goku goes off with Oob. That is the ending.

[buutenks]

The show is long from over. So id wait till its finished before ruling gohan out for good. Gohan might get an important role or even be one of the strongest in future arcs.

[precita]

To be honest Gohan might just be sitting out of this Goku black arc and become relevant in the next one.

All it really takes is for Videl and/or Pan to be attacked by a villain and Gohan would explode. Just think of what Mai did for Trunks. Imagine a similar scene with Videl and Gohan. Except Gohan going nuts.

[dbzfan7]

To be honest Gohan might just be sitting out of this Goku black arc and become relevant in the next one.

All it really takes is for Videl and/or Pan to be attacked by a villain and Gohan would explode. Just think of what Mai did for Trunks. Imagine a similar scene with Videl and Gohan. Except Gohan going nuts.

If that happens he gets flicked in the head or knocked out in 5 seconds or less. If he's not doing anything, they shouldn't bother bringing him back. Future Trunks is pretty much what people were looking for in Gohan, and that's who they'll have to look to if they want that kind of character.

[sintzu]

The show is long from over. So id wait till its finished before ruling gohan out for good.

1st we were told to wait till the Champa arc then the Trunks arc and now till it's finished ? what then ? wait till it's sequel ?

What we have now is what we'll continue to get until the merchandise stops selling and they cancel whatever show is airing at the time.

[NitroEX]

GT shouldn't be mentioned because Toriyama had nothing to do with it. In fact, pretty much everyone saw the whole thing as a flop. Now again it's just my speculation, but the ending of Z at this point makes no sense and will probably be scrapped completely.

You've got it the wrong way round, it's Super that doesn't make sense. Z's ending makes perfect sense within the context of the original story and that's how it should stay.

Also, I would say that while Pan could make for a good protagonist in the hands of a good writer (which Toei clearly doesn't have), Oob is still overall a better choice.

If you take away GT's portrayal of both characters and imagine how they would turn out based on what we know of them, Pan is basically set up to be a spoilt rich girl who has all her needs catered for (i.e. a Bulma type character). Her grandfather is rich and famous plus she's surrounded by powerful fighters to protect her and she lives in a civilised society with no need for fighting other than tournaments. The best case scenario is that she doesn't grow out of fighting like Goten and Trunks did but even so, she's quarter Saiyan meaning she most likely has a cap on how strong she could become. On top of that she will likely never face hardship like Goku, Gohan or Oob did so the conditions aren't right for her to become strong in the first place.

Even in terms of power her rage boosts are likely a lot smaller than Oob's are. After all, his power comes from being a reincarnated Kid Boo which is a far more interesting premise than another offspring of the main cast. The mystery surrounding Oob's power could easily be used as a building block to eventually make him even stronger the Saiyan characters.

At the end of the day neither Oob nor Pan will become protagonist despite the potential either of them may have. Dragonball has devolved into a popularity contest where Goku and Vegeta reign supreme and no one else is allowed to threaten that.

[Avok]

This was the perfect opportuny to give Gohan proper characterization; to develop and flesh out things. So sad that the writers don't seem to care about that.

[AM Reflection]

It really is best to forget about Gohan, indeed. This last episode confirmed that once and for all. He gets zero worthwhile dialogue and doesn't even contribute anything entertaining. All he is now is an average goofy, doting father character. Total waste and it would probably be best if he just does his thing off screen from now.

[Kishido]

Ok Gohan was absolutely bad in this episode.

not only because his training with Piccolo was nothing as it seems but for his behavior towards Trunks.

someone from the future comes to you with all fucked up clothing and you forget to ask him what's going on.

For real?