Shueisha's 'Dragon Ball' Room, New Department Focused on Dragon Ball

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Post by TheMikado » Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:20 am

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Lujin_16 wrote:Why some here thinking a new Dragonball series will replace Dragonball Super ???? Makes no fucking sense
It will make sense kind of from a production standpoint, but Super will only end if Toriyama leaves. If he continues to provide outlines they will keep dragging it which I hope doesn't happen.

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Why can't Super continue without Toriyama and his outlines?

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:02 am

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Lujin_16 wrote:Why some here thinking a new Dragonball series will replace Dragonball Super ???? Makes no fucking sense
It will make sense kind of from a production standpoint, but Super will only end if Toriyama leaves. If he continues to provide outlines they will keep dragging it which I hope doesn't happen.

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Why can't Super continue without Toriyama and his outlines?
Exactly, it can and probably will continue without Toriyama.

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Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:11 am

TheMikado wrote:
Saikyo no Senshi wrote:
Lujin_16 wrote:Why some here thinking a new Dragonball series will replace Dragonball Super ???? Makes no fucking sense
It will make sense kind of from a production standpoint, but Super will only end if Toriyama leaves. If he continues to provide outlines they will keep dragging it which I hope doesn't happen.

- Travis
Why can't Super continue without Toriyama and his outlines?
Maybe due to lack of new material or more importantly to resolve the production issues. Also, starting a new series from scratch with pre-planning would be much better imo.

For the schedule to improve either Super has to go on a long hiatus which is very unlikely or end.

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Post by Lujin_16 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:59 am

People like Gojiitaaf,Dragon Ball Z exclusive and Forneverworld prediction are there will be more Dragonball Super arcs & Possible over 200 episodes

i don't really know why people here talking about replacement maybe some here want a replacement because they don't like Super it seems like

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Post by Bansho64 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:15 am

Lujin_16 wrote:People like Gojiitaaf,Dragon Ball Z exclusive and Forneverworld prediction are there will be more Dragonball Super arcs & Possible over 200 episodes
Neither of those two guys you mentioned put out accurate information. Especially the former. Most of what they say is speculation, and not very good speculation either. I don't know what DBZ exclusive is through.

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Post by Lujin_16 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:20 am

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Lujin_16 wrote:People like Gojiitaaf,Dragon Ball Z exclusive and Forneverworld prediction are there will be more Dragonball Super arcs & Possible over 200 episodes
Neither of those two guys you mentioned put out accurate information. Especially the former. Most of what they say is speculation, and not very good speculation either. I don't know what DBZ exclusive is through.

So a replacement is a better speculation???

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Post by Bansho64 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:23 am

Lujin_16 wrote: So a replacement is a better speculation???
I never said it was, nor did I speculate that. Some people here are hoping it gets replaced.
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Post by TheMikado » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:26 am

So...here's my opinion and this latest arc and the timing of this announcement go suspiciously hand and hand with what I've been thinking.

I think Super as we know it will end soon. The multiverse timeline shenanigans where every single God in every single universe is dead seems like as good a reason as any for what I predicted would happen. They will rewind time so that Beerus never meets Goku. I.e overwrite it just like Super is now promoting this idea of overwriting timelines. I don't think that's a coincidence especially with the timing of the announcement. Further it feels like the setup could lead to two spin off series. One for Xeno/Time Patrol for older audiences and another for Heros ala Pokémon style for younger audiences. Both would substantially encourage toy sales.

From a business stand point I think that would make the most sense. Super and the God power could live on in Time Patrol centered series, while still making EoZ relevant for older viewers and keeping GT around for those who care (contrary to popular opinion GT was not a total commercial failure however it did pale in comparison to its predecessors).

Basically Toei would structure it so that all their products would have a place and be relevant where any of their movies or series are "possible".

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Post by Lujin_16 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:37 am

TheMikado wrote:So...here's my opinion and this latest arc and the timing of this announcement go suspiciously hand and hand with what I've been thinking.

I think Super as we know it will end soon. The multiverse timeline shenanigans where every single God in every single universe is dead seems like as good a reason as any for what I predicted would happen. They will rewind time so that Beerus never meets Goku. I.e overwrite it just like Super is now promoting this idea of overwriting timelines. I don't think that's a coincidence especially with the timing of the announcement. Further it feels like the setup could lead to two spin off series. One for Xeno/Time Patrol for older audiences and another for Heros ala Pokémon style for younger audiences. Both would substantially encourage toy sales.

From a business stand point I think that would make the most sense. Super and the God power could live on in Time Patrol centered series, while still making EoZ relevant for older viewers and keeping GT around for those who care (contrary to popular opinion GT was not a total commercial failure however it did pale in comparison to its predecessors).

Basically Toei would structure it so that all their products would have a place and be relevant where any of their movies or series are "possible".
The other gods are not dead they are alive just like Beerus & Champa you mean in a another timeline...There is no reason to end the series because super is doing really well

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Post by Cetra » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:26 am

I hope this means more GT stuff/connections. But I guess people already figured that much about me.
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Post by ABED » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:33 am

We would if Toriyama said he had to stop because they wouldn't let him grow Goku up.
Not really. 153 episodes is more than enough. I would be mildly interested, but it's not like Veronica Mars ending before given a proper conclusion or Firefly canned WAY too soon. I never had a pressing need to see Goku as an adult.
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Post by Dbzfan94 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:05 am

I'm torn. I love the idea of new stories but I don't want it to become like the Simpsons where continuity is thrown out the window and nobody develops or changes anymore.

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Post by Big Black Sayian » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:06 am

Worrying/hoping for a Super replacement seems a little early. Isn't this mostly about manga anyways?

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Post by VegettoEX » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:08 am

Big Black Saiyan wrote:Isn't this mostly about manga anyways?
No. Shueisha is the ultimate rights-holder for the franchise. They can commission anything their heart desires.
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Post by sintzu » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:23 am

TheMikado wrote:They will rewind time so that Beerus never meets Goku.
If they're going to do that then they shouldn't have made anything new to begin with.
Dbzfan94 wrote:I'm torn. I love the idea of new stories but I don't want it to become like the Simpsons where continuity is thrown out the window and nobody develops or changes anymore.
No one's had much development since BOG, the stories are mostly self contained, the power levels make NO sense and they're obviously not going to stop coming up with new Ssj forms so we're already there.
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Post by ABED » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:27 am

Dbzfan94 wrote:I'm torn. I love the idea of new stories but I don't want it to become like the Simpsons where continuity is thrown out the window and nobody develops or changes anymore.
Continuity was never thrown out in The Simpsons. It never had any to begin with. Even the layout of Springfield changes for the sake of a joke. The X-Files is a more apt comparison. Even after years of seeing the unexplained, Scully somehow remains a skeptic? You can draw your own comparison to DB.
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Post by perucho1990 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:31 am

TheMikado wrote:So...here's my opinion and this latest arc and the timing of this announcement go suspiciously hand and hand with what I've been thinking.

I think Super as we know it will end soon. The multiverse timeline shenanigans where every single God in every single universe is dead seems like as good a reason as any for what I predicted would happen. They will rewind time so that Beerus never meets Goku. I.e overwrite it just like Super is now promoting this idea of overwriting timelines. I don't think that's a coincidence especially with the timing of the announcement. Further it feels like the setup could lead to two spin off series. One for Xeno/Time Patrol for older audiences and another for Heros ala Pokémon style for younger audiences. Both would substantially encourage toy sales.

From a business stand point I think that would make the most sense. Super and the God power could live on in Time Patrol centered series, while still making EoZ relevant for older viewers and keeping GT around for those who care (contrary to popular opinion GT was not a total commercial failure however it did pale in comparison to its predecessors).

Basically Toei would structure it so that all their products would have a place and be relevant where any of their movies or series are "possible".

For me, the way to make EoZ relevant is if the next Antagonist is similar to Enrico Pucci from JJBA aka someone who resets the Universe, and resets it to EoZ, meaning Goku never meets Beerus, Whis, Zeno, etc.

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Post by sintzu » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:36 am

perucho1990 wrote:For me, the way to make EoZ relevant is if the next Antagonist is similar to Enrico Pucci from JJBA aka someone who resets the Universe, and resets it to EoZ, meaning Goku never meets Beerus, Whis, Zeno, etc.
Then why bother with the whole thing in the 1st place ? why bother building the world and introducing new likable characters if you're just going to get rid of them at the end ?
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Post by ABED » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:37 am

For me, the way to make EoZ relevant is if the next Antagonist is similar to Enrico Pucci from JJBA aka someone who resets the Universe, and resets it to EoZ, meaning Goku never meets Beerus, Whis, Zeno, etc.
It makes something relevant is to erase something else? That's a step backwards.
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Post by Dbzfan94 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:38 am

ABED wrote:
Dbzfan94 wrote:I'm torn. I love the idea of new stories but I don't want it to become like the Simpsons where continuity is thrown out the window and nobody develops or changes anymore.
Continuity was never thrown out in The Simpsons. It never had any to begin with. Even the layout of Springfield changes for the sake of a joke. The X-Files is a more apt comparison. Even after years of seeing the unexplained, Scully somehow remains a skeptic? You can draw your own comparison to DB.
My Simpsons comparison was more along the lines that nobody ages. One of the things I loved about DB and Z was that the characters actually aged

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