Dragon Ball: Evolution- Speculation and Discussion

[Innagadadavida]

If I decide I hate the idea of something off the bat, that doesn't make me a "closed minded" person.

W-w-w-whaaauuuuuuaat!?

[Rena Rune]

People are acting like Fox owes them something. They don't. They have the rights, they could make Goku a police officer and Piccolo a thug if they wanted to.

I love the way you expect to be respected when you at the very least support the ungodly raping of every intellectual property in existence for a quick buck. It's people like you that give us all this GRIMDARK teen angst bullshit adaptions of everything and kill the possibility of a good movie. There is a line you have to draw, and say that someone just has goddamn shitty values.

[Chrono Trigger]

Well if it's such a bastardization and you hate it so much then why follow it? It's like saying "I hate Frosted Flakes because they are disgusting but I'll have a bowl of it everyday!". Doesn't make sense to me.

[Innagadadavida]

Well if it's such a bastardization and you hate it so much then why follow it? It's like saying "I hate Frosted Flakes because they are disgusting but I'll have a bowl of it everyday!". Doesn't make sense to me.

It would be like that if she watched it every day. It's more like "I hate frosted flakes so I'm going to follow news about it and yell at everyone who likes them over the internet."

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

You didn't actually bother to counter any of the points I made, just said the bleeted out dumb argument over again.

Not to be rude, but...what points?

I see "hate", I see a lot of swearing, and I see plenty of insults. I also see opinions. But I do not see a single thing that is actually a "point" in any of your posts.

I love the way you expect to be respected when you at the very least support the ungodly raping of every intellectual property in existence for a quick buck. It's people like you that give us all this GRIMDARK teen angst bullshit adaptions of everything and kill the possibility of a good movie. There is a line you have to draw, and say that someone just has goddamn shitty values.

I don't love and am getting pretty annoyed the way you expect to be respected when you go around calling people names, swearing, and overall being an extremely abrasive person in the name of being an individual(while also expecting everyone else to be a non-conformist in the exact same way as yourself).

[Rena Rune]

You didn't actually bother to counter any of the points I made, just said the bleeted out dumb argument over again.

Not to be rude, but...what points?

I see "hate", I see a lot of swearing, and I see plenty of insults. I also see opinions. But I do not see a single thing that is actually a "point" in any of your posts.

Then you must be goddamn stupid, seriously. If I have no real points then quote my posts, and go through everything I say and debunk it. That's what a smart debater would do. They're aggressive for a reason, and posts like this show exactly why. When it's one person against a whole bunch of people who absolutely will not engage any of my points, and don't seem to understand what makes a character important at all, or even begin to, how do you keep your cool? None of you are listening. I've seen the same shite happen on Transformers boards and it's horrifying to see it happen all over again here.

Look at what you just wrote - you could post that after EVERYTHING. Because you do not quote anything I say, it does not specifically apply, therefore it's just hot air.

I'm not going to let deviations from the source ruin my enjoyment of a potentially fun adventure/martial arts film that is a loose adaptation of a franchise I enjoy.

Probably one of the best posts I've ever seen in my time here.

Because you agree with it. If someone made a very coherent, excellently reasoned point you didn't quite agree with, you wouldn't say it's one of the best posts. There is nothing well structured about SGK's comment, it's just a basic statement.

Jesus Christ MAN!

You, Oliver Hague and Daburcor should take your overly negative opinions and make a topic where all you do is complain about how awful and evil the movie is! I have never seen such ridiculous over-reaction in my life, outside of religious fundamentalists and hardcore gang members.

Express your opinion in a respectful way, and you will get respect back, even if your opinion is negative, but to swear, curse others out, and make broad, unsubstantiated claims, well, people aren't going to act politely back.

Because what they're doing is ignoring everything I say and reciting the same old argument over again. Nobody deals with the points I bring up, you don't "argue" by just blurting out your argument when someone else states theirs, you deal with what they're saying directly. This makes for a frustrating argument. And I know this is going to get ignored, so I'm going to spend the rest of the thread copying and pasting this into every post.

Wow. Because some fans aren't bitching like you we are "gullible"? Maybe some fans don't give a shit about minor details and just want to enjoy the movie for what it is, not for what some people want it to be.

You expect to be taken in any way seriously and the personality of the main character is a "Minor" issue? You don't understand, at all.

"It's just dragonball" fuck that. At the end of the day if you have to fall back on this excuse, you've failed. Things like "Dragonball" are important because most of the serious things in life don't make us happy at all.

This. It would be nice if the Goku in the movie was just like the Goku in the manga I suppose, but I guess I really just don't care. If I wanted to see Son Goku from the manga/anime do things, I'd read/watch the manga/anime.

Isn't the whole point of making something into a movie, that you DO get to see the same guy from the manga and anime, but in a new medium? If they want to make a new take on Dragonball, why not make a new manga/anime? Then what you're saying would apply. As it stands, in the current medium, there has never been a proper high budget Dragonball movie. IF there was, it would be a LOT easier to ignore this one, wouldn't it?

If you want to make a new take on something, why not just make something similar without using the names and cashing in on nostalgia?

People like Jappo just don't even begin to understand. There's no point making a Dragonball movie if it's not going to be a Dragonball movie, they may as well make something different, but similar.

[Kaboom]

Rena Rude, you're going way too far. You have absolutely no right to attack folks who support the movie the way you are. You've previously made yourself out to be such a crusader for one's right to like what they want to like, in particular the "bastardized" names and terms of the dub. Yet now you're making a complete 180 and attacking and insulting other members for liking something that is no less of an "offense" than what you've previously defended.

You're being a hypocrite, and I'm becoming convinced you have no or purpose on this forum other than to cause confrontation.

It's just an action movie made out of a goofy kung-fu cartoon. Pardon us if we don't see it as such a detestable "offense" as you seem to have convinced yourself it is.

[Rena Rune]

Rena, you're going way too far. You have absolutely no right to attack folks who support the movie the way you are. You've previously made yourself out to be such a crusader for one's right to like what they want to like, in particular the "bastardized" names and terms of the dub. Yet now you're making a complete 180 and attacking and insulting other members for liking something that is no less of an "offense" than what you've previously defended.

You're being a hypocrite, and I'm becoming convinced you have no or purpose on this forum other than to cause confrontation.

I don't see me attacking anyone for purely liking the movie(especially since the movie isn't even out yet). I see me attacking people's poor arguments about what a movie adaption should be.

Please retract your statement or back it up. And shove your juvenile namecalling up your ass if you're going to be calling anyone a "Hypocrite".

[omegacwa]

I hate that it has come to this, but Mike, please close this thread before this gets out of control. This thread has gone about as far as it can go anyway.

[Rena Rune]

I hate that it has come to this, but Mike, please close this thread before this gets out of control. This thread has gone about as far as it can go anyway.

This is only because you and the others supporting this movie keep ignoring my points and keep making the same ones over and over. If you could argue with adults and accept your points can be countered it would be fine. If anything SSj Kaboom really crossed the line with his post.

I have seen these "open minded" yet so very closed minded attitudes destroy other fandoms. It's fucking cancer. Jappo, SSJ Kaboom and others are way out of line because they're not defending their views properly, just blurting out the same shit over and over, which is offensive to anyone who's trying to argue properly.

Heck, SSj Kaboom did it in his last post immensely blatantly.

"It's just an action movie made out of a goofy kung-fu cartoon. Pardon us if we don't see it as such a detestable "offense" as you seem to have convinced yourself it is."

Right after I gave a very good reason why things like Dragonball DO matter. Do you have any idea how frustrating that is?

[omegacwa]

Make a list of your points without swearing or dissing others, then you will get a competent rebuttal. I would be glad to back up my views on the movie if you would make a point to write something that isn't purely insulting.

[Rena Rune]

Make a list of your points without swearing or dissing others, then you will get a competent rebuttal. I would be glad to back up my views on the movie if you would make a point to write something that isn't purely insulting.

Style over Substance fallacy. Look it up. Basically, the post you just made is invalid in a real debate.

Stop using that as an excuse. Any aggression on my behalf was very much provoked.

Even if my posts were insulting, they certainly contained a lot of reasoning. They were certainly not "Purely" insulting. You are showing a complete lack of respect disregarding all the points I made, doubly so for using an utterly pathetic excuse to avoid them. Please retract and apologise, or you're only proving me correct.

[Bussani]

Isn't the whole point of making something into a movie, that you DO get to see the same guy from the manga and anime, but in a new medium? If they want to make a new take on Dragonball, why not make a new manga/anime? Then what you're saying would apply. As it stands, in the current medium, there has never been a proper high budget Dragonball movie. IF there was, it would be a LOT easier to ignore this one, wouldn't it?

If you want to make a new take on something, why not just make something similar without using the names and cashing in on nostalgia?

People like Jappo just don't even begin to understand. There's no point making a Dragonball movie if it's not going to be a Dragonball movie, they may as well make something different, but similar.

Sorry, here I was thinking the point of a movie was to be entertaining. Silly me!

[Rena Rune]

Isn't the whole point of making something into a movie, that you DO get to see the same guy from the manga and anime, but in a new medium? If they want to make a new take on Dragonball, why not make a new manga/anime? Then what you're saying would apply. As it stands, in the current medium, there has never been a proper high budget Dragonball movie. IF there was, it would be a LOT easier to ignore this one, wouldn't it?

If you want to make a new take on something, why not just make something similar without using the names and cashing in on nostalgia?

People like Jappo just don't even begin to understand. There's no point making a Dragonball movie if it's not going to be a Dragonball movie, they may as well make something different, but similar.

Sorry, here I was thinking the point of a movie was to be entertaining. Silly me!

Yeah! Oversimplifying everything is INTELLIGENT :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

What's entertaining to one person is not to another and people are all too easily entertained on a shallow level. Celebrating this shallow feel good factor is a good thing now? As if there isn't enough of it?

You really shouldn't be in this thread.

[Chrono Trigger]

Sorry, here I was thinking the point of a movie was to be entertaining. Silly me!

Exactly! That and to make a lot of money.

[omegacwa]

Make a list of your points without swearing or dissing others, then you will get a competent rebuttal. I would be glad to back up my views on the movie if you would make a point to write something that isn't purely insulting.

Style over Substance fallacy. Look it up. Basically, the post you just made is invalid in a real debate.

Stop using that as an excuse. Any aggression on my behalf was very much provoked.

Even if my posts were insulting, they certainly contained a lot of reasoning. They were certainly not "Purely" insulting. You are showing a complete lack of respect disregarding all the points I made, doubly so for using an utterly pathetic excuse to avoid them. Please retract and apologise, or you're only proving me correct.

Make a list of your points and I will respond accordingly. I am not going to go back through all your posts that are littered with over-reacting insults to fish out your ideas about the movie. Thanks.

[Rena Rune]

Make a list of your points without swearing or dissing others, then you will get a competent rebuttal. I would be glad to back up my views on the movie if you would make a point to write something that isn't purely insulting.

Style over Substance fallacy. Look it up. Basically, the post you just made is invalid in a real debate.

Stop using that as an excuse. Any aggression on my behalf was very much provoked.

Even if my posts were insulting, they certainly contained a lot of reasoning. They were certainly not "Purely" insulting. You are showing a complete lack of respect disregarding all the points I made, doubly so for using an utterly pathetic excuse to avoid them. Please retract and apologise, or you're only proving me correct.

Make a list of your points and I will respond accordingly. I am not going to go back through all your posts that are littered with over-reacting insults to fish out your ideas about the movie. Thanks.

This is pure laziness and I have no reason to believe you will do anything different to what you've already been doing. I already pointed out that ignoring someone's post based on "offensive" language is Style over Substance. This is a logical fallacy. It means your argument is not internally consistant, therefore yes you should go back and reread them. Heck, you even ignored me when I brought that up as if it was nothing. Why should I bother to reorganise everything for you when you can't even take note of statements like that?

[JAPPO]

You really shouldn't be in this thread.

And you shouldn't be on the internet.

[Innagadadavida]

You really shouldn't be in this thread.

And you shouldn't be on the internet.

Actually, there are plenty of places on the internet suited to her type of "debating," this forum, however, I'm not so sure is one.

[Tweaker]

Make a list of your points and I will respond accordingly. I am not going to go back through all your posts that are littered with over-reacting insults to fish out your ideas about the movie. Thanks.

But you would totally skim over the contents of the posts that did have points and ignore said points because you didn't like how they were expressed, right?

Something isn't right here.

Style over substance works in a pretty simple way--ignoring a point because you don't like how it's expressed. However, this doesn't make the points any less valid--all it does is make you pissed off and unwilling to cooperate because you felt insulted. You're not coming out on top by largely ignoring the contents of the post, though.

If you ask me, the appropriate way to respond would have been to, first off, ask them to stop being a dick (or simply call them a dick), and then rip apart every single point they were trying to put across, if they were actually invalid. If you don't know if said points are invalid or not--and, indeed, you claimed you did not--then you really shouldn't even respond. It only shows that you're being unreasonable, whether you feel you are or not.

And before you say I'm taking sides, I'm a neutral party here. I really don't give a damn about the subject at hand, and personally I think this movie is going to blow chunks. But when it comes to having a debate, there's only one real way to do it.

Of course, I'm just arguing semantics, but I think it's food for thought.

You really shouldn't be in this thread.

And you shouldn't be on the internet.

And you're a dick.

Just wanted to get that out there.