English Dragon Box Release

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:16 pm

Saiyavenger2941 wrote:Gah, cut it (out) Mick.

Touché!

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:19 pm

Son of a bitch!

The forum crapped out on me when I was posting my reply. But, yeah. Rocky II. It should be required viewing for any fan of Shounen.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:40 pm

I think this post by MagicBox on the Funi forums should settle the recent debates:

MagicBox wrote:No language version is the "main target," though. That's what I'm saying. "Hardcore" doesn't reference a specific language fanbase. The only reason the Japanese version's getting the default setting is because they're advertising the unedited footage. It's just a more subtle way or buzzwording fans. I think a lot of people are claiming that the FUNiBoxes are shooting for a certain part of the fanbase just because of the default language, but that's flawed logic. That's like saying the season sets were meant for dub fans because the English track was the default. That's like saying every bilingual anime release in America is more aimed at dubbies just because the English track is the default. FUNi can only choose ONE language to be the default track. They HAVE to choose between the two. Just because they have to choose one to be the default option doesn't mean the release isn't geared towards both sides. If it was only geared towards one side, then the other language wouldn't be there at all.

"Hardcore" doesn't mean Japanese and "casual" doesn't mean English. That's what I think a ton of fans are misunderstanding in this case. The "hardcore" fans are the ones that don't want to put up with FUNi's past marketing gimmicks and see the show cropped with lines missing every now and then. The "casual" crowd is nobody here. They're your average Joe "used to watch Toonami" and Sally "looking for nostalgia" who see the sets, pick them up for fun, and couldn't care less about picture quality or bad packaging. And FUNi's right in saying that this release isn't for them. This release isn't for dubbies or subbies. This release is for US. Everyone on the forum. Everyone who cares enough about this series to own it with all the bells and whistles.

FUNi may make the dub, but dub fans have gotten screwed out of good releases just as much as Japanese version fans have. This is a release for the hardcore, not the dubbie or subbie. My beef with everyone here is that they're turning this into a matter of language when it isn't one.

The bolded part really says it all.

Sshadow5001 · Post by **Sshadow5001** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:51 pm

wow I almost gave in and started collecting the Orange Bricks!

Lucky I was skint and couldn't afford them at the time.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:51 pm

jjgp1112, nothing against you or your preferences but...

You can't get me to honestly believe that the default setting being Japanese with subtitles is in no way related to FUNimation's target audience or their meaning behind "hardcore fan" at Otakon.

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:22 pm

@jjgp1112:
This set is aimed at us Sub-Fans moreso than the Dub fans. The fact that we're getting our Audio track as default is pretty much proof of that.

If it were geared at both of us like past DVDs, then they would have just left the Audio tracks the way they were. English First, Japanese with subs 2nd.
It's pretty obvious. Having the Japanese track first MEANS SOMETHING!!

And really. If they don't include the PARTICULAR Dub audio you want. Sorry. But no matter what FUNi does they'll be pissing off at least one group of the fans.

Either the Masochists who like the Faulconer Music will be dissappointed to find their HARDCORR RAWK Music for American kids is gone

They use the Faulconer music, upsetting anyone who liked what FUNi did with the season sets Audio-wise (For example, My cousin grew up with the Faulconer music, yet he watches it with the Japanese Music and PREFERS it this way)

Or, they stick BOTH tracks on the DVDs, and piss off the Hardcore fans who are concerned about Video and Audio Quality Suffering because of disc space.

The problem here seems to be that you want BOTH because you love Faulconer, but he didn't do Seasons 1 and 2 so you want the Japanese music for there. You're the minority. a VERY vast minority.
but honestly, if you like the Japanese music enough to listen to it for Seasons 1 and 2, what exactly is wrong with listening to it for the whole series?

I'll say it again. Dragon Ball Z and GT are LITERALLY the ONLY of FUNi's properties that don't use the same music track as the Japanese version of the respective Shows. For the "Hardcore" fanbase, it's gonna be using that version.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:30 pm

The problem I have with listening to it through the whole series is because the Japanese BGM gets BORING AS HELL during the end of the Cell Games and the rest of the series. They always picked the wrong themes and the themes themselves just weren't all that exciting. Hell, I was watching the first few episodes of Season 9 earlier today with the Japanese music and almost dozed off watching it, so I switched to the Faulconer music and my attention was back. Plus,I just don't get the same feeling as when I'm watching it with Faulconer music, so the transition's tough. With the Nathan Johnson music, I loathed it when I watched Seasons 1 & 2 on Cartoon Network and have no fond memories or themes I like or even appreciate from there. And plus, the Japanese music during the first part of the show wasn't boring at all, unlike the second part.

And I don't appreciate you calling me a masochist for liking the Faulconer music.

I don't call you one for being able to sit through the Japanese BGM later on in the series, so don't call me one for my particular musical preferences, 'kay?

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:52 pm

I dunno jjgp1112, I've always had the opposite effect with the music. Falcouner's music didn't impress me when I first saw the show and I disregarded it as noise. Now at the same time I was watching Dragonball the music fucking hooked me. It all boils down to personal preference though.

Tweaker · Post by **Tweaker** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:00 am

I can sympathize with getting very bored of the Japanese score at times, but it's still infinitely more fitting than any of the dub's themes ever were.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:01 am

Tweaker wrote:I can sympathize with getting very bored of the Japanese score at times, but it's still infinitely more fitting than any of the dub's themes ever were.

That's your opinion. In my opinion, the dub used the right song for a scene about 90% of the time, while during the Cell games and the Buu Saga, it was more of 60% of the time while the rest was just some random theme.

It's all down to personal preference, though, like Raki said.

Tweaker · Post by **Tweaker** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:07 am

Well, I grew up with the dub music like most other people who got into the show through watching the dub on Toonami. I'll be honest in that a few themes still stick out in my head pretty distinctly, but the faux-badass, heavily electronic vibe that the Falcouner track gave off changed the feel of the show entirely in a way that was directly adverse to the feel that the original Japanese score was trying to give off. I don't consider this a positive trait; then again, I don't consider any arbitrarily imposed liberal changes to a product a good thing.

At the end of the day, I don't really care what you prefer listening to. As long as you're not one of those douchebags who layers Linkin Park music over a poor quality clip of Broly beating the shit out of everyone, I'll support your ability to choose which soundtrack to listen to.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:12 am

Tweaker wrote:Well, I grew up with the dub music like most other people who got into the show through watching the dub on Toonami. I'll be honest in that a few themes still stick out in my head pretty distinctly, but the faux-badass, heavily electronic vibe that the Falcouner track gave off changed the feel of the show entirely in a way that was directly adverse to the feel that the original Japanese score was trying to give off. I don't consider this a positive trait; then again, I don't consider any arbitrarily imposed liberal changes to a product a good thing.

At the end of the day, I don't really care what you prefer listening to. As long as you're not one of those douchebags who layers Linkin Park music over a poor quality clip of Broly beating the shit out of everyone, I'll support your ability to choose which soundtrack to listen to.

If there's one thing I hate, it's slapping any song on a bunch of random clips. I actually think that Linkin Park songs fit with a lot of things that happen in DBZ, but the majority of AMV makers will just slap a song like Easier To Run, which would make for a great AMV for Vegeta, to a bunch of random clips of Goku fighting Cell or Frieza fighting Piccolo.

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece · Post by **Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:18 am

Tweaker wrote:At the end of the day, I don't really care what you prefer listening to. As long as you're not one of those douchebags who layers Linkin Park music over a poor quality clip of Broly beating the shit out of everyone, I'll support your ability to choose which soundtrack to listen to.

Here's a fun game to play:

1 - Go to YouTube.

2 - Enter in the title of your favorite game/movie/anime/cartoon/comic book/vending machine/sandwich/ice cream flavor.

3 - Begin typing "Linkin Park" as the next search phrase.

4 - Search. Watch in awe as your childhood dies before your eyes.

I got results for "Linkin Park Linkin Park." They have videos of their videos with their music. Music videos of their music videos. My soul bled.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:23 am

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece wrote:
Tweaker wrote:At the end of the day, I don't really care what you prefer listening to. As long as you're not one of those douchebags who layers Linkin Park music over a poor quality clip of Broly beating the shit out of everyone, I'll support your ability to choose which soundtrack to listen to.
Here's a fun game to play:

1 - Go to YouTube.

2 - Enter in the title of your favorite game/movie/anime/cartoon/comic book/vending machine/sandwich/ice cream flavor.

3 - Begin typing "Linkin Park" as the next search phrase.

4 - Search. Watch in awe as your childhood dies before your eyes.

I got results for "Linkin Park Linkin Park." They have videos of their videos with their music. Music videos of their music videos. My soul bled.

Show me where the G.I Joe Music Video you promised me is at!!:evil:

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:31 am

jjgp1112 wrote:
Tweaker wrote:Well, I grew up with the dub music like most other people who got into the show through watching the dub on Toonami. I'll be honest in that a few themes still stick out in my head pretty distinctly, but the faux-badass, heavily electronic vibe that the Falcouner track gave off changed the feel of the show entirely in a way that was directly adverse to the feel that the original Japanese score was trying to give off. I don't consider this a positive trait; then again, I don't consider any arbitrarily imposed liberal changes to a product a good thing.

At the end of the day, I don't really care what you prefer listening to. As long as you're not one of those douchebags who layers Linkin Park music over a poor quality clip of Broly beating the shit out of everyone, I'll support your ability to choose which soundtrack to listen to.
If there's one thing I hate, it's slapping any song on a bunch of random clips. I actually think that Linkin Park songs fit with a lot of things that happen in DBZ, but the majority of AMV makers will just slap a song like Easier To Run, which would make for a great AMV for Vegeta, to a bunch of random clips of Goku fighting Cell or Freeza fighting Piccolo.

I think their music fits just about anything. Whether it's driving to the store, drinking a beer, or even trying to ressurect Seinen in the anime market.

I hope their music stays away from the Dragonboxes though.

Kuhan · Post by **Kuhan** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:40 am

I totally agree about Linkin Park. Hell, I've thought of just making a super awesome DBZ AMV to Linkin Park just because I can.

Levlik · Post by **Levlik** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:46 am

Metalwario64 wrote:
Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece wrote:
Tweaker wrote:At the end of the day, I don't really care what you prefer listening to. As long as you're not one of those douchebags who layers Linkin Park music over a poor quality clip of Broly beating the shit out of everyone, I'll support your ability to choose which soundtrack to listen to.
Here's a fun game to play:

1 - Go to YouTube.

2 - Enter in the title of your favorite game/movie/anime/cartoon/comic book/vending machine/sandwich/ice cream flavor.

3 - Begin typing "Linkin Park" as the next search phrase.

4 - Search. Watch in awe as your childhood dies before your eyes.

I got results for "Linkin Park Linkin Park." They have videos of their videos with their music. Music videos of their music videos. My soul bled.
Show me where the G.I Joe Music Video you promised me is at!!:evil:

Even when NOT looking for DBZ Linkin Park videos you'll get one.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:52 am

This is the type of shit that I hate

THIS is how you should use In The End for an AMV (unfortunately the audio's disabled, just play the crappy first link over it.)

obiwan23s · Post by **obiwan23s** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:01 am

Inclusion of the Falconer score as a third audio track will really piss me off. It'll further undercut the available bitrate of the discs on a release it for all intents and purposes doesn't deserve to be on. It makes Dragon Ball come off as super cartoony. I guess I'll just continue living life as if the dub doesn't exist, as it's going to be the last remaining black mark on English language Dragon Ball after these boxes come out.

Char Aznable · Post by **Char Aznable** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:34 am

obiwan23s wrote:Inclusion of the Falconer score as a third audio track will really piss me off. It'll further undercut the available bitrate of the discs on a release it for all intents and purposes doesn't deserve to be on.

I'm really going to have to agree here. I'm not trying to start a debate because in all honesty, there are one or two songs from Faulconer (that's not a whole lot, but it's something) that I actually do like. The problem to me is the video quality. Sticking three audio tracks onto the discs may compromise it more than it can take before taking a hit - even a slight one - in quality.

Maybe that's just me being paranoid, though.