Dragon Ball Super: TV Ratings Discussion Thread

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

The same rating as 13 and it couldn't even beat 39 or even 57 :/ I guess people were worn out with his arc.

Then were people "worn out" by the time of the 2nd episode of the arc? Since 48 got a 6.1..
6.6 (and 4th place) is not only excellent, it's above the arc average.

The amount of people who seem to think that only One Piece benefits from Super being its lead-in is ridiculous. It works both ways. For every person who sticks around to watch One Piece after Super is done because they don't care to change the channel, there's someone else who changed the channel early and decided to watch Super while waiting for One Piece to come on.

The whole point of them being paired together is to produce a synergy that benefits both.

Well, yeah. It's true that, was Super a ratings failure, it would definitely hurt One Piece. On the other hand, people shouldn't celebrate One Piece's apparent decline, as it's not good for the block and it ends up affecting Super too. Had OP ratings still on Sazae's level or close, DB would certainly do better as a result.

The good news is, Super has been able to stand on its own two feet, as the ratings are often too close to each other these days. If anything, that is an indication the show could survive even without One Piece, like the other way around.

Do you guys think Super has caused the OP decline somewhat?

[irreality]

No, I think Super boosts One Piece. Detective Conan's rankings fluctuate with its lead-in, for example. I think One Piece, although a great anime in itself, is helps, not hindered, by Super.

That said, people get far too excited about the ranking. Yes, beating Detective Conan means a very good week. That is the only anime that is both comparable in demographics, genre, and ratings, and which fluctuates depending on both their performances. Sometimes the lead-in to Conan is competition, but not lately. But us being "4th place instead of 6th or 7th" in absolute terms, is meaningless. That just means Doraemon and Crayon Shin-chan are not on this week.

[Lord Beerus]

Damn. I was hoping the prospect of Vegetto would entice more viewers, but the rating remained practically the same.

On a side note, what the hell happened to Detective Conan? That's a monster franchise in Japan and I never in my wildest dreams would have thought it would pull in a rating that low.

[ChronoTwigger]

I was wondering what the hell that "Turban Shell" at the top of the ratings list was...I tracked down the top 10 listing, and I guess someone just really messed up typing "Sazae-san" Here's the full list:

1. Sazae-san (12.0%)
2. Chibi Maruko-chan (9.6%)
3. One Piece (6.8 )
4. Dragon Ball Super (6.6)
5. Detective Conan (5.9)
6. Curious George (3.3)
7. Yokai Watch (3.1)
8. Pokemon X Y & Z (3.0)
9. Time Bokan 24 (2.9)
10. Anpanman & Shawn The Sheep (Tied at 2.8 )

Worth noting that Crayon Shin-chan and Doraemon didn't air, which helped to bump Super's ranking higher. But hey, we still beat Detective Conan!

TURBAN SHELL: Description: One of the most prized of all marine gastropods, the horned turban shell — more familiar to sushi aficionados as sazae...
I think a bad translation, if Sazae name wasn't in fact inspired by that animal (like some chinese name that mean owl, cat or springtime).

[DragonHermit]

Damn, passing One Piece is as hard as passing the sound barrier. I really thought we passed them this week

On a side note, what the hell happened to Detective Conan? That's a monster franchise in Japan and I never in my wildest dreams would have thought it would pull in a rating that low.

Without spoiling it, is the premise of the show the same since the beginning of the series? Are there ANY major plot changes from the beginning of the show?

[Theophrastus]

On a side note, what the hell happened to Detective Conan? That's a monster franchise in Japan and I never in my wildest dreams would have thought it would pull in a rating that low.

Without spoiling it, is the premise of the show the same since the beginning of the series? Are there ANY major plot changes from the beginning of the show?

The basic premise and ultimate goal is still the same, but there have been some major plot developments. The plot is a very slow burn, though, and all the filler cases they add to the anime don't help with that.

[DragonHermit]

On a side note, what the hell happened to Detective Conan? That's a monster franchise in Japan and I never in my wildest dreams would have thought it would pull in a rating that low.

Without spoiling it, is the premise of the show the same since the beginning of the series? Are there ANY major plot changes from the beginning of the show?

The basic premise and ultimate goal is still the same, but there have been some major plot developments. The plot is a very slow burn, though, and all the filler cases they add to the anime don't help with that.

Yeah when I checked the canon/filler ratio, it was pretty ridiculous, up there with Naruto.

[alakazam^]

Fukkatsu no F is a shining example of how bad direction can make a bad plot even worse. If a good director was directing F despite the bad plot he could've made it good through good and interesting storytelling.

F was successful so that kinda renders your point moot.

[Faisal Shourov]

Damn, passing One Piece is as hard as passing the sound barrier. I really thought we passed them this week

On a side note, what the hell happened to Detective Conan? That's a monster franchise in Japan and I never in my wildest dreams would have thought it would pull in a rating that low.

Without spoiling it, is the premise of the show the same since the beginning of the series? Are there ANY major plot changes from the beginning of the show?

One Piece is like bible among otakus in Japan. It's the biggest manga of all time by a HUGE margin. At times OP quarterly sales have been bigger than next top 9 manga put together. Beating One Piece in anime is a impressive feat. But no manga can even hope to challenge One Piece

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Fukkatsu no F is a shining example of how bad direction can make a bad plot even worse. If a good director was directing F despite the bad plot he could've made it good through good and interesting storytelling.

F was successful so that kinda renders your point moot.

So, all the Marvel movies make billions of dollars doesn't change that most of them have bad direction. F sure made a crap ton of money, but I'm not talking about commercial success. It never was my point. F had a director who never was a director before and his amateurish directing skills and terrible storyboards are clearly visible to me at least.

[HeroR]

So, all the Marvel movies make billions of dollars doesn't change that most of them have bad direction. F sure made a crap ton of money, but I'm not talking about commercial success. It never was my point. F had a director who never was a director before and his amateurish directing skills and terrible storyboards are clearly visible to me at least.

That's mostly opinion since almost all the movies created by Marvel have not only been box office money makers, but some of the highest reviewed movies. Resurrection 'F' also got good reviews that rivaled or surpassed Battle of Gods with some calling it the superior movie.

[Sodhi]

I don't know about MARVEL, because I am not into that universe. However I can say that F had one of worst direction and storyboarding I have seen in a Japanese Animated movie. Which again has nothing to do with its success, as pretty visuals and a theater environment are enough for general audience. Oh and also the big selling point, Toriyama and Freeza.

[HeroR]

I don't know about MARVEL, because I am not into that universe. However I can say that F had one of worst direction and storyboarding I have seen in a Japanese Animated movie. Which again has nothing to do with its success, as pretty visuals and a theater environment are enough for general audience. Oh and also the big selling point, Toriyama and Freeza.

If you think that, you haven't seen too many Japanese Animated films.

[Sodhi]

You have probably seen too few. Akira, Ghost in the shell, Castle in the sky, Grave of the Fireflies, End of Evangelion, Papikra, whisper of the heart, Vampire Hunter D, Spirited Away, Astro Boy, Perfect Blue, Lupin III, My Neighbor Totoro, Cowboy Bepop, Princess Kaguya . I can think of many more because the bar set by ROF is really low.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Resurrection 'F' also got good reviews that rivaled or surpassed Battle of Gods with some calling it the superior movie.

The critics' reviews are also opinions. Their opinions aren't superior. I've seen these well-known critics' reviews of F and barely anybody talks about animation, direction and storyboarding. It's all Freeza is back, it's awesome it feels like DBZ! or it will take you on a nostalgia trip and blah blah blah. Go to any sakuga community, F is a big joke. It's animation/direction is not even worth talking about.

[Bullza]

So, all the Marvel movies make billions of dollars doesn't change that most of them have bad direction.

But the movie also got good reviews and good ratings from those who watched it, on par with or better than Battle of Gods on top of also making significantly more money than it.

[Araki]

Do you guys think Super has caused the OP decline somewhat?

Kai 2.0 had a lower average and OP still had higher ratings back then, so the supposed decline is to blame on OP alone. In fact, OP was doing better during the Champa arc, that had lower numbers compared to FT.
The thing is, the ratings of DBS and OP are too close to each other now, compared to the other pairings in the top (like Conan and Time Bokan, Sazae and Maruko), where the lead-in does noticeably lower, so if anything, OP is receiving a very good viewership from its lead-in, but is failing to build on it.

Anyway, i say "supposed" because i think we need to wait for the upcoming arc to see if the lower ratings will stick, and Zou won't take long now.

[HeroR]

Resurrection 'F' also got good reviews that rivaled or surpassed Battle of Gods with some calling it the superior movie.

The critics' reviews are also opinions. Their opinions aren't superior. I've seen these well-known critics' reviews of F and barely anybody talks about animation, direction and storyboarding. It's all Freeza is back, it's awesome it feels like DBZ! or it will take you on a nostalgia trip and blah blah blah. Go to any sakuga community, F is a big joke. It's animation/direction is not even worth talking about.

Critics are opinions, but there are several people giving an opinion on a work. There are some critics who loved the movies, some who hated it, and some who thought it was average. When you round out these opinions, Resurrection 'F' came out ahead, along with it having a good box offices sell. What one community thinks doesn't really matter. Also, you're wrong about the animation. I have seen several people and critics comment on Resurrection 'F''s animation and for the most part, they loved it, more than Battle of Gods.

[alakazam^]

So, all the Marvel movies make billions of dollars doesn't change that most of them have bad direction. F sure made a crap ton of money, but I'm not talking about commercial success. It never was my point. F had a director who never was a director before and his amateurish directing skills and terrible storyboards are clearly visible to me at least.

I'm not saying your opinion isn't valid but my point was that, since it's an opinion, you couldn't use it as an example of something that was factual.

[FortuneSSJ]

The debut of this arc had the biggest rating since Super begun. A freaking 8.4%. I'm curious to see how FT Trunks farewell does in comparison.