The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[singsing]

This fight is pure conjecture, how do you guys think the story went down?

Beerus vs Buu 75 million years ago.

I imagine the further we go back in time, the weaker Beerus is, making Buu much stronger in comparison, who I imagine was born with his power but became corrupted over time. At that particular age, Beerus was either a baby or very young, so Buu annihilates.

Beerus was still the god of destruction at that time and was the one who sealed away Old Kai though.

[Hugo Boss]

Base Vegito vs SSjin Gogeta

Get Vegetto to transform into Super Saiyan and then you have a fight. Gogeta would fail once he defuses.

You don't believe Vegito is stronger? That Daizensu says the potara are more powrful

Hmm the 2nd daizenshuu notes that Vegetto, as a Super Saiyan, has a power greater than that of a Super Saiyan 3, and the 7th does say that after merging the power with Potara is greater than with Fusion. But the situation is different when Goku wonders about merging with Dende or Mr. Satan, it would probably result in a drop of power, rather than an increase.

I guess the 7th daizenhuu tries to clarify what Old Kaioshin said about the Potara's effect being greater than Fusion's, but it really doesn't have any evidence besides that speech.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Context: Elder Kaioshin gives the Potara to Goku
Elder Kaioshin: “Here! Put this Potara on your left ear! [ ] Put the other one on Gohan’s ear. Just by doing that, you two will be able to merge together! Like with Fusion.”
Goku: “Huh! Re-really!?”
Elder Kaioshin: “Of course. And what’s more, the effect is greater than with Fusion! This has been the trump card treasure of the Kaioshins since long ago.”

Power is part of the effect. And he's not referencing time limit, since he mentions that here:

Context: Goku asks how long Potara-based fusion lasts
Elder Kaioshin: "The Potara don't have such a weakness. It's eternal! You'll never return to normal again!"

Context: Goku asks if he should become a Super Saiyan before merging with the Potara, and Elder Kaioshin advices against it
Elder Kaioshin: “If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But anyway, even without doing that, you’ll probably be plee~~eenty. The Potara’s power is just that amazing!”

Underlined part. The potara's power is just that amazing, if the fusion dance's power was exactly the same, why would Old Kaioshin say that?

To use them, the two people who will merge simply have to each take one of the two earrings and put in on their left or right ear, respectively. Furthermore, after merging the power is greater than with Fusion. However, the two people will automatically merge as soon as the earrings are put on, and in principle will be unable to ever split up again, so caution is needed when handling them. The merged person will only split up when touched by the air inside Majin Buu's body. Also, while with Fusion the post-merged clothing is the native dress of the people of Planet Metamor, when merging with the Potara not only are the two people's bodies mixed together, but their clothing is as well. In addition, pathetically enough the East Kaioshin and his attendant Kibito merged together without knowing a thing about Potara fusion.

Daizenshuu 7 even flat out mentions power, and there is no contradiction, anywhere.

[Rocketman]

Vegetto can be more powerful without being over 50 times more powerful.

Even if Vegetto was 30 times stronger than Gogeta (roughly the gap between first form Freeza and Saiyan Arc Vegeta), Gogeta going Super would erase and overshadow that difference.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I never said Vegetto has to be 50x stronger than Gogeta, but they're not equals, Vegetto is stronger, that's fact.

[shonenhikada]

Muk
https://youtu.be/WbNobWnkxFE
vs

SSJ4 Goku

(Watch video to see how overpowered muk is)

[Berserker1921]

Muk wins haha. Jk. Goku slaughters the poor creature. But who would win this battle?

Asuras Wrath Asura (end of the game) vs Whis vs Seiya (gold cloth) saint Seiya??

[fadeddreams5]

Asuras Wrath Asura (end of the game) vs Whis vs Seiya (gold cloth) saint Seiya??

I dunno anything about Seiya. And Whis' power hasn't even been revealed. Using only a fraction of his power, he's overpowered Goku and Vegeta at the same time, and KO'd Beerus with a karate chop. That combined with time manipulation leads me to believe he'd be unbelievably broken at 100%.

That said, until Whis decides to go all out, I can only go by his current feats, and thus, I have to go with Asura the Destructor, who I feel beats pretty much everyone in the DBZ verse.

Muk
https://youtu.be/WbNobWnkxFE
vs

SSJ4 Goku

(Watch video to see how overpowered muk is)

Muk wins. Goku will think he's cake frosting and eat him.

[Lord Beerus]

Muk
https://youtu.be/WbNobWnkxFE
vs

SSJ4 Goku

(Watch video to see how overpowered muk is)

Goku one shots

Asuras Wrath Asura (end of the game) vs Whis vs Seiya (gold cloth) saint Seiya??

Whis bites the dust first. Asura's and Saint Seiya characters are both insanely OP, especially in their strongest forms. So it's a battle to the death between Asur, and I see Seiya coming out on top.

[supercat]

Muk
https://youtu.be/WbNobWnkxFE
vs

SSJ4 Goku

(Watch video to see how overpowered muk is)

Goku, without even trying.

Even kid Goku at the start of Dragon Ball could probably take Muk down pretty easily.

[Hugo Boss]

Daizenshuu 7 even flat out mentions power, and there is no contradiction, anywhere.

Using Potara with Dende or Mr. Satan makes Goku wonder if he will get weaker and that comes after Old Kaioshin said Potara is more powerful than Fusion.

[Doctor.]

Daizenshuu 7 even flat out mentions power, and there is no contradiction, anywhere.

Using Potara with Dende or Mr. Satan makes Goku wonder if he will get weaker and that comes after Old Kaioshin said Potara is more powerful than Fusion.

And fusing with Dende or Mr. Satan via the normal method would imply having to make Goku lower his power so ridiculously low that he'd end up weaker than himself anyway.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Daizenshuu 7 even flat out mentions power, and there is no contradiction, anywhere.

Using Potara with Dende or Mr. Satan makes Goku wonder if he will get weaker and that comes after Old Kaioshin said Potara is more powerful than Fusion.

It seems you ignored the obvious intent of the quote, and have no rebuttal for what Old Kaioshin says, so potara > fusion dance still stands.

[fadeddreams5]

Two Cell Juniors fused together vs SSJ Gotenks (pre-RoSAT)

Two Cell Juniors fused together vs Base Gotenks (post-RoSAT)

[supercat]

Two Cell Juniors fused together vs SSJ Gotenks (pre-RoSAT)

Two Cell Juniors fused together vs Base Gotenks (post-RoSAT)

Cell Jr. fusion wins both.

Each Cell Jr. seems to be around Piccolo tier, who would more than likely be able to one-shot anyone around SSJ Goten and SSJ Trunks tier pre-RoSaT.

While I'll acknowledge the fact that the gap between Piccolo's power and Trunks and Goten's power seemed to have gotten smaller after the kids utilized the RoSaT, it doesn't seem likely that the young Saiyans individually were able to reach Piccolo / Cell Jr tier.

[Lord Beerus]

Two Cell Juniors fused together vs SSJ Gotenks (pre-RoSAT)

Two Cell Juniors fused together vs Base Gotenks (post-RoSAT)

- If it's Potara fusion, I'd give this to the Cell Jrs. If it's the Fusion Dance, then Gotenks takes this.
- Base Gotenks stomps, irregardless. Base Gotenks is Super Boo tier at that stage. And the Cell Jrs fused, whether it's Potara or Fusion Dance, do not reach that level in my opinion.

[supercat]

Two Cell Juniors fused together vs SSJ Gotenks (pre-RoSAT)

Two Cell Juniors fused together vs Base Gotenks (post-RoSAT)

- If it's Potara fusion, I'd give this to the Cell Jrs. If it's the Fusion Dance, then Gotenks takes this.
- Base Gotenks stomps, irregardless. Base Gotenks is Super Boo tier at that stage. And the Cell Jrs fused, whether it's Potara or Fusion Dance, do not reach that level in my opinion.

I feel both before and after leveraging the RoSaT, the kids are individually below Cell Jr. / Piccolo.

Even if we assume that they are presumably a lot closer to that level after their training, it's hard to believe that they've actually managed to surpass Cell Jr. / Piccolo

In regards to Base Gotenks, I didn't think that he was Super Buu tier until he went SSJ3.

[shonenhikada]

Muk
https://youtu.be/WbNobWnkxFE
vs

SSJ4 Goku

(Watch video to see how overpowered muk is)

Goku, without even trying.

Even kid Goku at the start of Dragon Ball could probably take Muk down pretty easily.

Sorry but this statement is just so ridiculous

[supercat]

Muk
https://youtu.be/WbNobWnkxFE
vs

SSJ4 Goku

(Watch video to see how overpowered muk is)

Goku, without even trying.

Even kid Goku at the start of Dragon Ball could probably take Muk down pretty easily.

Sorry but this statement is just so ridiculous

How is it ridiculous? What feats has Muk ever displayed to show that he's above the fighters from Dragon Ball let alone GT?

[shonenhikada]

How is it ridiculous? What feats has Muk ever displayed to show that he's above the fighters from Dragon Ball let alone GT?

Muk can absorb kinetic energy attacks if you watch the video, and also been shown to spread his body surface area wide enough to engulf and suffocate his opponent. Any version of Goku would get his ass kicked.