"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[kinisking]

4. If Black does take control of Goku, then it means Vegeta along with Future Trunks and Mai apparently will be the heroes of the arc, perhaps with help from the others, but I'm thinking these 3 primarily. This will finally go back to Toriyama's 2014 comment, where he said he wanted Vegeta to take more of a main role, yeah yeah, he fought Freeza in RoF, but Goku got the kill. If this arc takes Goku completely out of the picture, then Vegeta might get to kill a main villain.

This is the most likely thing to happen if Goku is taken out but everyone else and especially Gohan need to play a major role in this.

This will be the 1st time Goku isn't there to have their back and I want that to be brought up.

I also want Vegeta to acknowledge that for the 1st time he's in charge of the situation and Goku won't be there to clean up his mess.

You meant to say that in your fantasies Vegeta will beat the main villain if Goku is not around.
I think it will be a team victory and not individual.

When has a villian been defeated by an actual team victory? There is always one character that leads the charge by a substantial amount. This time it'll be Vegeta if Goku really is out of the game.

[HeroR]

This is exactly what i don't want Mirai Trunks arc to be. I don't want Trunks to just be the setup guy and then take a back seat. And Champa doesn't deserve the entire credit for the setup half credit goes to Beers. Who were the real stars of Champa arc Gokuu Vegeta and Hitto they were the ones actively involved throughout the arc Champa wasn't. I want Trunks to be the star of his own arc.

Now i think of it it would've been better if the arc was called something else instead of Champa arc cause Champa does not play an active role in the arc at all.

- Travis

Hit literally didn't fight until the last three episodes of the entire arc. Before then, he sat on his butt being uninterested except to take out Frost. He didn't drive anything in the arc other than being Champa's ace. Goku and Vegeta are the main heroes, but they hardly drove the story. Beerus only real involvement is agreeing to Champa's term and gimping his team by inviting Monaka.

The story arcs are usually named after the people who drive the plot or are the primary villain. Champa is both, he just didn't actively fight.

[Chuquita]

Wondering how present they'll make Whis this arc; I just found out his VA is playing the lead in a light novel anime adaption starting this summer.

[namekiansaiyan]

You meant to say that in your fantasies Vegeta will beat the main villain if Goku is not around.
I think it will be a team victory and not individual.

When has a villian been defeated by an actual team victory? There is always one character that leads the charge by a substantial amount. This time it'll be Vegeta if Goku really is out of the game.

Since this arc is going to cause trouble to Beerus and Zeno I doubt someone will be able to do it by themselves. Fighting against Vegeta in the Saiyan arc was sort of a team victory and the spirit bomb is technically a team effort.

[sintzu]

You meant to say that in your fantasies Vegeta will beat the main villain if Goku is not around.

I think it will be a team victory and not individual.

That's a simple fact, when the 1st main character's out of the picture the 2nd one takes over and last time I checked that was Vegeta.

Now that's a fantasy, one that I hope will happen but Super's track record with the other characters hasn't been good so don't expect much out of anyone other than Vegeta and Trunks.

The official word says, "goku and vegeta in tough battles" so it's pretty much confirmed goku black won't be our goku fused with evil.

It could also mean that whoever gives both of them a hard time before taking over Goku.

Another things it hints at is everyone else sitting on the side while they take care of business like the last 3 arcs.

Although I want Piccolo to play a main role in this, I also wouldn't mind another episode that causes his fans to lose their minds like when Vegeta kicked him out of the ring.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

When has a villian been defeated by an actual team victory? There is always one character that leads the charge by a substantial amount.

Saiyan arc &Hunt for the DBs arc are great examples of team victory also Boo arc too kind of was a team victory.

I think most people want to see a Saiyan arc type of victory where every character is equally important in sealing the victory.


- Travis

[LightBing]

When has a villian been defeated by an actual team victory? There is always one character that leads the charge by a substantial amount. This time it'll be Vegeta if Goku really is out of the game.

Depends on what's your cut-off point for team and where you drawn the line for relevant participation. Raditz was a three man job, Vegeta was a four man job(with Kaio support), Cell was three(Vegeta, Goku and Gohan), Pure Boo was a four man job(Goku, Mr.Boo, Vegeta and Mr.Satan), we could add Dende and the Kaioshins to the mix, it was a team victory.

Purely individual victory's are as common as teamwork victory's. There's usually a character who collects the laurels, but it isn't that simple.

Wondering how present they'll make Whis this arc; I just found out his VA is playing the lead in a light novel anime adaption starting this summer.

I'm thinking the Gods won't appear until very late in the arc, when everything has gone to hell.

[namekiansaiyan]

You meant to say that in your fantasies Vegeta will beat the main villain if Goku is not around.

I think it will be a team victory and not individual.

That's a simple fact, when the 1st main character's out of the picture the 2nd one takes over and last time I checked that was Vegeta.

Now that's a fantasy, one that I hope will happen but Super's track record with the other characters hasn't been good so don't expect much out of anyone other than Vegeta and Trunks.

The rival of the main character will not get the victory. This arc also seems to different to the previous arcs.

[sintzu]

The rival of the main character will not get the victory. This arc also seems to different to the previous arcs.

Vegeta is the 2nd main character so if Goku is out of the picture for whatever reason then he'll automatically take over as the arc's main lead so him being Goku's rival is irrelevant.

If Vegeta doesn't beat the main villain when Goku isn't there then who will ? Beerus and Whis are neutral so they won't do anything unless it directly affects them so that leavs us with Gohan and Piccolo and we all know how useful they've been lately.

[FortuneSSJ]

As long as they don't rush this, it should be okay.
BOG arc was the only that had good pacing. ROF and Champa arcs are both rushed.

ROF arc could be justifiable, because people were getting tired and Toei wanted to get to the new stuff as quick as possible.
But rush Champa arc didn't make sense.

[Noah]

This is the most likely thing to happen if Goku is taken out but everyone else and especially Gohan need to play a major role in this.

This will be the 1st time Goku isn't there to have their back and I want that to be brought up.

I also want Vegeta to acknowledge that for the 1st time he's in charge of the situation and Goku won't be there to clean up his mess.

That would be interesting, an Arc that Goku is actually the villain that the heroes must defeat at any cost.

I mentioned that some pages ago. "Inter-universal Tournament arc" or "Hakaishin Tournament arc" would be far more fitting names.

Yeah these names fit perfectly.

Yeah, arcs with character names are dumb, I prefer "Namek Arc" than "Freeza Arc"

Also, "Demise Of The Future Arc" would be a better name than "Future Trunks Arc"

[Kagari]

As long as they don't rush this, it should be okay.
BOG arc was the only that had good pacing. ROF and Champa arcs are both rushed.

ROF arc could be justifiable, because people were getting tired and Toei wanted to get to the new stuff as quick as possible.
But rush Champa arc didn't make sense.

Champa arc felt more like a stop-gap than anything with small setups for later here and there. This new arc will hopefully be longer than 10-15 episodes.

[Cetra]

As long as they don't rush this, it should be okay.
BOG arc was the only that had good pacing. ROF and Champa arcs are both rushed.

ROF arc could be justifiable, because people were getting tired and Toei wanted to get to the new stuff as quick as possible.
But rush Champa arc didn't make sense.

Champa arc felt more like a stop-gap than anything with small setups for later here and there. This new arc will hopefully be longer than 10-15 episodes.

I would be glad about it being at least longer than the Super 17 saga. We cannot expect any saga here to be really much longer than 15 episodes as it seems.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

This is exactly what i don't want Mirai Trunks arc to be. I don't want Trunks to just be the setup guy and then take a back seat. And Champa doesn't deserve the entire credit for the setup half credit goes to Beers. Who were the real stars of Champa arc Gokuu Vegeta and Hitto they were the ones actively involved throughout the arc Champa wasn't. I want Trunks to be the star of his own arc.

Now i think of it it would've been better if the arc was called something else instead of Champa arc cause Champa does not play an active role in the arc at all.

- Travis

Hit literally didn't fight until the last three episodes of the entire arc. Before then, he sat on his butt being uninterested except to take out Frost. He didn't drive anything in the arc other than being Champa's ace. Goku and Vegeta are the main heroes, but they hardly drove the story. Beerus only real involvement is agreeing to Champa's term and gimping his team by inviting Monaka.

The story arcs are usually named after the people who drive the plot or are the primary villain. Champa is both, he just didn't actively fight.

I wouldn't call Champa the villain he just along with Beers setup the tournament then became a spectator thats it that was his role now compare it to other arcs for instance Freeza arc everything from start to finish involved Freeza. IMO if the arc is named after someone he should be the most actively involved character alongside the main character and Champa wasn't.

So, i think the Champa arc isn't a fitting name. The main point of the arc was a tournament and as mentioned by Kakarrotto 92"Hakaishin tournament" would be a more fitting name.


- Travis

[ekrolo2]

As long as they don't rush this, it should be okay.
BOG arc was the only that had good pacing. ROF and Champa arcs are both rushed.

ROF arc could be justifiable, because people were getting tired and Toei wanted to get to the new stuff as quick as possible.
But rush Champa arc didn't make sense.

The BoG arcs pacing was absolutely snails pace dreadful. By taking out the conversation between Goku and Beerus they instantly made it considerably more boring and dedicating an entire episode to Oolong vs Beerus was just.... no.

[Neon Z]

As long as they don't rush this, it should be okay.
BOG arc was the only that had good pacing. ROF and Champa arcs are both rushed.

ROF arc could be justifiable, because people were getting tired and Toei wanted to get to the new stuff as quick as possible.
But rush Champa arc didn't make sense.

Champa arc felt more like a stop-gap than anything with small setups for later here and there. This new arc will hopefully be longer than 10-15 episodes.

I would be glad about it being at least longer than the Super 17 saga. We cannot expect any saga here to be really much longer than 15 episodes as it seems.

I think it could go for longer if there's a twist midway through, like Cell's appearance in the Android/Cell Saga. But, yeah, if the enemy is just Goku Black and maybe some grunts, I don't see it going beyond the one cour stories we've gotten up to now.

[Kagari]

As long as they don't rush this, it should be okay.
BOG arc was the only that had good pacing. ROF and Champa arcs are both rushed.

ROF arc could be justifiable, because people were getting tired and Toei wanted to get to the new stuff as quick as possible.
But rush Champa arc didn't make sense.

Champa arc felt more like a stop-gap than anything with small setups for later here and there. This new arc will hopefully be longer than 10-15 episodes.

I would be glad about it being at least longer than the Super 17 saga. We cannot expect any saga here to be really much longer than 15 episodes as it seems.

24 episodes or so would be a nice number, I think, for what's been described about the story so far. Again, the Battle of the Gods and Revival of F arcs were drawn out retellings of two existing films so it's hard to really judge what they'll do now since those stories were already compacted for their movie versions.

[kinisking]

When has a villian been defeated by an actual team victory? There is always one character that leads the charge by a substantial amount. This time it'll be Vegeta if Goku really is out of the game.

Depends on what's your cut-off point for team and where you drawn the line for relevant participation. Raditz was a three man job, Vegeta was a four man job(with Kaio support), Cell was three(Vegeta, Goku and Gohan), Pure Boo was a four man job(Goku, Mr.Boo, Vegeta and Mr.Satan), we could add Dende and the Kaioshins to the mix, it was a team victory.

Purely individual victory's are as common as teamwork victory's. There's usually a character who collects the laurels, but it isn't that simple.

Wondering how present they'll make Whis this arc; I just found out his VA is playing the lead in a light novel anime adaption starting this summer.

I'm thinking the Gods won't appear until very late in the arc, when everything has gone to hell.

Imo teamwork victory's imply that everyone has a close to equal participation and is essential to victroy. Even though Goku did most of the work, I'll agree with Vegeta and Raditz being a team effort. But by my definition, I wouldn't really say cell was a three man job, that was like 90% Gohan. Yeah, Vegeta paid back for leading Gohan to be weakened in the first place but I still wouldn't consider it a true team effort because in the end it was just one blast and Gohan did the vast majority. Although I'm hesitant to say it because of Goku's major role, I guess pure boo could be considered a team victory. After thinking about it more, I was wrong when I thought there weren't any team victories but I still stand by the fact that most of the time there is one character that does substantially more than the others. This time I hope it's vegeta.

[namekiansaiyan]

The rival of the main character will not get the victory. This arc also seems to different to the previous arcs.

Vegeta is the 2nd main character so if Goku is out of the picture for whatever reason then he'll automatically take over as the arc's main lead so him being Goku's rival is irrelevant.

If Vegeta doesn't beat the main villain when Goku isn't there then who will ? Beerus and Whis are neutral so they won't do anything unless it directly affects them so that leavs us with Gohan and Piccolo and we all know how useful they've been lately.

As I mentioned before, a team victory. We know Zeno and Beerus will be involved so to me it seems more like a team win than an individual.

[FortuneSSJ]

The BoG arcs pacing was absolutely snails pace dreadful. By taking out the conversation between Goku and Beerus they instantly made it considerably more boring and dedicating an entire episode to Oolong vs Beerus was just.... no.

Nah it wasn't. It wasn't perfect, but it was good and much better paced than ROF and Champa arc were.
Goku/Beerus still had cool conversations, right after Goku reverts back to SSJ and before pass out. A different approach doesn't mean it was worst.

Oolong vs Beerus was indeed dragged though.

The arc could have less 2 episodes but I take that over ROF/Champa arcs, that could have at least more 4 episodes.
I rather more than less.