Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[PFM18]

Thats just you. And it never said that there were existing saiyans on a new planet

They are discussing going to a new planet which i would imagine is Planet Sadala of Universe 6. That is what I meant by the planet and I apologize for not making that clear.

They never said anything about GOING to a new planet. Only that there would be at least one. And that could just be Planet Sadala of Universe 7 from a flashback.

Also, even if the new planet was U6 Sadala, how would Freeza even be able to get to U6 and terrorize them?

I know they never said this was actually going to happen. I didn't imply this was the case. I am just speculating and I thought it would be cool.

Not sure how exactly Freeza would get there but he knows that another Saiyan planet exists now and it would be in his character to want to massacre them. Especially now that he knows how much stronger he is than them after easily disposing of Cabba

[AnimeNation101]

They are discussing going to a new planet which i would imagine is Planet Sadala of Universe 6. That is what I meant by the planet and I apologize for not making that clear.

They never said anything about GOING to a new planet. Only that there would be at least one. And that could just be Planet Sadala of Universe 7 from a flashback.

Also, even if the new planet was U6 Sadala, how would Freeza even be able to get to U6 and terrorize them?

I know they never said this was actually going to happen. I didn't imply this was the case. I am just speculating and I thought it would be cool.

Not sure how exactly Freeza would get there but he knows that another Saiyan planet exists now and it would be in his character to want to massacre them. Especially now that he knows how much stronger he is than them after easily disposing of Cabba

I kinda disagree. I feel like that would go against Freeza’s development in the T.o.P. He’s still an evil and selfish person but he’s gotten over his revenge. He still resents the saiyans but not the point where he would go out of his way to another universe just to kill the other saiyans. Right now, it seems like he would just go back to re-building his empireinstaed of just trying to cause conflict with saiyans.

[PFM18]

They never said anything about GOING to a new planet. Only that there would be at least one. And that could just be Planet Sadala of Universe 7 from a flashback.

Also, even if the new planet was U6 Sadala, how would Freeza even be able to get to U6 and terrorize them?

I know they never said this was actually going to happen. I didn't imply this was the case. I am just speculating and I thought it would be cool.

Not sure how exactly Freeza would get there but he knows that another Saiyan planet exists now and it would be in his character to want to massacre them. Especially now that he knows how much stronger he is than them after easily disposing of Cabba

I kinda disagree. I feel like that would go against Freeza’s development in the T.o.P. He’s still an evil and selfish person but he’s gotten over his revenge. He still resents the saiyans but not the point where he would go out of his way to another universe just to kill the other saiyans. Right now, it seems like he would just go back to re-building his empireinstaed of just trying to cause conflict with saiyans.

I don't think there is any reason to believe that his animosity towards the Saiyans is behind him. He made a comment to Cabba about hating Saiyans and took him out the first chance he got even though he knew Vegeta was trying to help him and they were allied with U7 at the time of this shenanigans.

[AnimeNation101]

I know they never said this was actually going to happen. I didn't imply this was the case. I am just speculating and I thought it would be cool.

Not sure how exactly Freeza would get there but he knows that another Saiyan planet exists now and it would be in his character to want to massacre them. Especially now that he knows how much stronger he is than them after easily disposing of Cabba

I kinda disagree. I feel like that would go against Freeza’s development in the T.o.P. He’s still an evil and selfish person but he’s gotten over his revenge. He still resents the saiyans but not the point where he would go out of his way to another universe just to kill the other saiyans. Right now, it seems like he would just go back to re-building his empireinstaed of just trying to cause conflict with saiyans.

I don't think there is any reason to believe that his animosity towards the Saiyans is behind him. He made a comment to Cabba about hating Saiyans and took him out the first chance he got even though he knew Vegeta was trying to help him and they were allied with U7 at the time of this shenanigans.

I never said it was behind him. I said that he doesn’t have enough resentment and animosity to go out looking for trouble in another universe just to kill off there saiyans. Freeza doesn’t hold as much of a grudge by the end of the T.o.P because he and Goku now how mutual respect (to some degree).

[sintzu]

As we know, the 1st trailers are usually only for promotion and now that we know the story will be jumping back and forth between the past and present, what if the Saiyan we saw never fights Goku but instead is used in flashbacks to show him fighting the real villain of the movie who somehow managed to make it to the present ? Beings living for very long years isn't anything new to DB so it could be something like that.

[ZeroNeonix]

I still think the flashbacks will show Yamoshi leading a rebellion against Frieza's ancestor just after the Saiyan king agrees to work for him. Yamoshi somehow returns in the present. Filled with rage, he finds Frieza and very nearly kills him. Goku, out of appreciation for Frieza's help during the Tournament of Power (and because he hasn't done anything evil since then), actually defends Frieza from the ancient Super Saiyan. After all, if Goku gets a good fight out of it, it's pretty much a win-win for him.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

It's not Dragon Ball without rectons.

I guess we reached that point.

Isn't Goku being a saiyan a retcon since it changes how we view part 1?

It's debatable. Right from the start they made a note of Goku being strange/not normal at most opportunities and then we find out he can transform into an ape on top of that, so Goku revealed to be an alien shouldn't have been that surprising and doesn't really go against anything that was established prior and in fact makes perfect sense with what came prior. So I don't really see it as a retcon.

[jeffbr92]

Isn't Goku being a saiyan a retcon since it changes how we view part 1?

No
[spoiler][/spoiler]

[ZeroNeonix]

Isn't Goku being a saiyan a retcon since it changes how we view part 1?

No
[spoiler][/spoiler]

What is that? The picture is so small.

[Toxin45]

I kinda disagree. I feel like that would go against Freeza’s development in the T.o.P. He’s still an evil and selfish person but he’s gotten over his revenge. He still resents the saiyans but not the point where he would go out of his way to another universe just to kill the other saiyans. Right now, it seems like he would just go back to re-building his empireinstaed of just trying to cause conflict with saiyans.

I don't think there is any reason to believe that his animosity towards the Saiyans is behind him. He made a comment to Cabba about hating Saiyans and took him out the first chance he got even though he knew Vegeta was trying to help him and they were allied with U7 at the time of this shenanigans.

I never said it was behind him. I said that he doesn’t have enough resentment and animosity to go out looking for trouble in another universe just to kill off there saiyans. Freeza doesn’t hold as much of a grudge by the end of the T.o.P because he and Goku now how mutual respect (to some degree).

Uh dude he still hates goku and it never said he got over his grudge. Also the reason why toei and toriyama keep being Frieza back is to make him Goku's archenemy and he is like become the bowser and eggman to Goku's Mario and sonic.

[Mister_Popo]

""telling a complete story in 2 hours is possibly easier for Toriyama than doing the story for a long-running TV show"

This makes sense and explains why he seems more involved with it than Super's anime but hopefully that's not a hint at him not returning for the show.

It could be the case Toriyama prefers a movie-formula at this point or the upcoming years, but there is nothing indicating Toriyama will no longer be involved in future stories (new movies or series) and designs after the movie. In a recent interview with TOEI-staff, the producers even said: “Personally I even get the feeling that Toriyama-sensei is trying to set up even more stories. That's in plural.

I've heard speculations TOEI (anime-continuation) and Toyotara (manga-continuation) will break up, but i wouldn't know why based on what we know now. As long as Toriyama is healthy and still loves making new stories, why that would be the case? I mean, it's not that he has to make a completely new manga on his own, he only needs to come up with a plot and designs.
I don't see why he would quit at this point, now Dragon Ball is more popular than ever.

[sintzu]

There is nothing indicating Toriyama will no longer be involved in future stories (new movies or series) and designs after the movie.

I've heard speculations TOEI (anime-continuation) and Toyotara (manga-continuation) will break up, but i wouldn't know why based on what we know now.

I don't see why he would quit at this point, now Dragon Ball is more popular than ever.

Thankfully he said in an interview released not too long ago that enjoys doing stories that don't require him to work alone so when the anime's back he'll most likely be back as well, assuming he's not working on it already.

According to Toriyama, we're going to keep seeing major differences between the 2 formats so maybe that's what you heared.

I don't think he's going to quit but I do think he has an end game in mind for DB as a whole, a true ending to his story. We know that he most likely stopped the manga when he did because of the stress it was putting on him but now we can get the continuation and ending we may have gotten back in the day had he not gotten burned out.

[mahakaishin1991]

Isn't Goku being a saiyan a retcon since it changes how we view part 1?

No
[spoiler][/spoiler]

What is that? The picture is so small.

It says alien, unable to classify, it was foreshadowed he wasnt from earth in the past

[AnimeNation101]

I don't think there is any reason to believe that his animosity towards the Saiyans is behind him. He made a comment to Cabba about hating Saiyans and took him out the first chance he got even though he knew Vegeta was trying to help him and they were allied with U7 at the time of this shenanigans.

I never said it was behind him. I said that he doesn’t have enough resentment and animosity to go out looking for trouble in another universe just to kill off there saiyans. Freeza doesn’t hold as much of a grudge by the end of the T.o.P because he and Goku now how mutual respect (to some degree).

Uh dude he still hates goku and it never said he got over his grudge. Also the reason why toei and toriyama keep being Frieza back is to make him Goku's archenemy and he is like become the bowser and eggman to Goku's Mario and sonic.

Your name reflects your comment. You must not have fully ready my post becuase i said trthat “Freeza doesn’t hold AS MUCH of a grudge” by the end of the T.o.P and thats what was implied. Freeza didn’t try to death beam Goku our even call him a filthy monkey. The whole theme of Goku and Freeza vs Jiren is Trust vs power and Trust won. Goku and Freeza had a degree of trust. And Freeza isn’t gonna become a less serious villain who comes every arc just to get defeated. Freeza probably wont ever be a villain for the characters ever again. He won’t go looking for trouble with them anymore.

[sintzu]

No
[spoiler][/spoiler]

What is that? The picture is so small.

It says alien, unable to classify, it was foreshadowed he wasnt from earth in the past

If I'm not mistaking someone from Toei said they put that in as a joke but it worked out in the end.

[Toxin45]

I never said it was behind him. I said that he doesn’t have enough resentment and animosity to go out looking for trouble in another universe just to kill off there saiyans. Freeza doesn’t hold as much of a grudge by the end of the T.o.P because he and Goku now how mutual respect (to some degree).

Uh dude he still hates goku and it never said he got over his grudge. Also the reason why toei and toriyama keep being Frieza back is to make him Goku's archenemy and he is like become the bowser and eggman to Goku's Mario and sonic.

Your name reflects your comment. You must not have fully ready my post becuase i said trthat “Freeza doesn’t hold AS MUCH of a grudge” by the end of the T.o.P and thats what was implied. Freeza didn’t try to death beam Goku our even call him a filthy monkey. The whole theme of Goku and Freeza vs Jiren is Trust vs power and Trust won. Goku and Freeza had a degree of trust. And Freeza isn’t gonna become a less serious villain who comes every arc just to get defeated. Freeza probably wont ever be a villain for the characters ever again. He won’t go looking for trouble with them anymore.

Nah he even said that they will meet again someday dude and also Frieza is still training and he is gonna reappear in the movie dude. Also Frieza is gonna train now did you see the four months training and meditate in hell who is to say he is gonna get stronger from more training now he is just more pragimic now he is painterly waiting for revenge dude.

[ZeroNeonix]

It says alien, unable to classify, it was foreshadowed he wasnt from earth in the past

Eh, I'm 99% certain that was a dub thing. English dubs of the original Dragon Ball series weren't successful until after Dragon Ball Z, at which point Goku's alien heritage was already known. I also recall Bulma saying that Goku was, "Out of this world," and I think there was something to hint that Kami was an alien as well. Were those things in the original Japanese version of the show? I doubt it. Toriyama doesn't typically plan that far ahead. Goku was simply a monkey boy based on Sun Wukong from Journey to the West, and Piccolo was designed to look like a scary demon.

[Mister_Popo]

There is nothing indicating Toriyama will no longer be involved in future stories (new movies or series) and designs after the movie.

I've heard speculations TOEI (anime-continuation) and Toyotara (manga-continuation) will break up, but i wouldn't know why based on what we know now.

I don't see why he would quit at this point, now Dragon Ball is more popular than ever.

Thankfully he said in an interview released not too long ago that enjoys doing stories that don't require him to work alone so when the anime's back he'll most likely be back as well, assuming he's not working on it already.

According to Toriyama, we're going to keep seeing major differences between the 2 formats so maybe that's what you heared.

I don't think he's going to quit but I do think he has an end game in mind for DB as a whole, a true ending to his story. We know that he most likely stopped the manga when he did because of the stress it was putting on him but now we can get the continuation and ending we may have gotten back in the day had he not gotten burned out.

The original Star Wars-movies were the story of Anakin Skywalker, with Anakins story ending Lucas basically said 'I've told my story, and if you want to continue without me with more Star Wars, just go ahead.'
The same could be applied to Toriyama: he'll probably have a canon-ending for the official story in mind and he'll probably like to make an animated version of it. I doubt this movie will be that ending.
After the Goku-main storyline has ended, it could split up in all different kinds of continuations and spin-offs, as the franchise is financially too intresting to quit along with Toriyama. But we probably aren't there yet. He'll probably have something more in store for a couple of years to come. Something he had planned originally for after the EoZ.

I think, referring to a 2-hours-movie is easier for Toriyama to tell, it's the truth. He has more control over the plot details than let's say with TOP and to an extend the Future Trunks-arc. Therefore i have faith in the quality of this movie plot aside from the animation.

[AnimeNation101]

Uh dude he still hates goku and it never said he got over his grudge. Also the reason why toei and toriyama keep being Frieza back is to make him Goku's archenemy and he is like become the bowser and eggman to Goku's Mario and sonic.

Your name reflects your comment. You must not have fully ready my post becuase i said trthat “Freeza doesn’t hold AS MUCH of a grudge” by the end of the T.o.P and thats what was implied. Freeza didn’t try to death beam Goku our even call him a filthy monkey. The whole theme of Goku and Freeza vs Jiren is Trust vs power and Trust won. Goku and Freeza had a degree of trust. And Freeza isn’t gonna become a less serious villain who comes every arc just to get defeated. Freeza probably wont ever be a villain for the characters ever again. He won’t go looking for trouble with them anymore.

Nah he even said that they will meet again someday dude and also Frieza is still training and he is gonna reappear in the movie dude. Also Frieza is gonna train now did you see the four months training and meditate in hell who is to say he is gonna get stronger from more training now he is just more pragimic now he is painterly waiting for revenge dude.

No where was it implied that he was training up for revenge. The whole “meeting again someday” thing is just what they say for every antagonist when they say goodbye. The fact that he says someday means that he isn’t going out looking for revenge but is just saying goodbye and that they’ll see each other again sooner or later. There is no sense of bloodthirsty in that line. And all that was said is that we will cover history with Freeza and the saiyans. That could just be told by Whis or something. Nothing confirms that Freeza is coming back for revenge against Goku at all.

The whole idea of Freeza coming back for revenge is repetitive and stupid anyway.

[sintzu]

Toriyama will probably have a canon-ending for the official story in mind and he'll probably like to make an animated version of it. I doubt this movie will be that ending.

After the Goku-main storyline has ended, it could split up in all different kinds of continuations and spin-offs, as the franchise is financially too intresting to quit along with Toriyama.

I have faith in the quality of this movie plot aside from the animation.

This movie isn't that ending, not by a longshot. So far we've gotten 5 new stories from Toriyama with the next movie being the 6th one so we might get 4 more when the anime's back. One story I know we'll get for sure is a tournament between U7 and the other 4 universes that didn't take part in the TOP. If Goku wins that then he'll truly become the strongest fighter to ever live and I think he will as that'll be a great and definitive ending to his and DB's story.

I highly doubt we'll get some crazy everyone dies kind of ending so chances are they'll be able to continue on with Goku once Toriyama's done. I personally would prefer them to take a long break before and just let us take in all this new content for awhile but chances are they'll rush it and we'll end up with another GT like franchise killer. Based on him turning down their movie ideas, they clearly still don't have what it takes to move on without him.

I'm not the biggest fan of yet another saiyan story but the new interview has me very interested in it so hopefully it'll be worth it.