The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Super 17 (post energy absorption) and Omega Shenron - DBZ Gauntlet

How far can they get going one on one against these amazing fighters from DBZ?

Golden Freeza
SSGSS Vegeta
SSG Goku
SSGSS Goku
Beerus

Super #17 clowns everyone here.

[fadeddreams5]

Super 17 (post energy absorption) and Omega Shenron - DBZ Gauntlet

How far can they get going one on one against these amazing fighters from DBZ?

Golden Freeza
SSGSS Vegeta
SSG Goku
SSGSS Goku
Beerus

Omega will kill them all with just one blast each.

Proof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Dr915TtGxs

He's already a master at this. If he does it to all of them, they die instantly. Really, Appule could beat them using this strategy too.

[Kaboom]

Base Vegito vs SSjin Gogeta

Gogeta wins by a massive landslide. The superiority of the Potara makes Vegetto stronger, sure, but no way it's a whopping 50x or more stronger. More like double or triple in my book.

21TB Son Goku vs Bacterian

As long as Goku can block out the smell, he can win easily. But he has to be careful, as his Saiyan nose is even more sensitive than an Earthling's. If he gets even the slightest whiff of Bacterian at close range, it may completely disable him.

Just cause I love these gauntlets...
Luffy from One Piece (in whatever his strongest form is) gauntlet:
> Yamcha (21st Tenkaichi)
> Krillin (21st Tenkaichi)
> Goku (21st Tenkaichi)
> Jackie Chun

Even in his strongest and newly-premiered form, I'm sure Luffy hits a wall against Goku or Roshi from the 21st Budokai. He's fast and strong in melee terms too, but he's not measuring up to people who can blow up the moon.

This fight is pure conjecture, how do you guys think the story went down?
Beerus vs Buu 75 million years ago.

Assuming Beerus' power has improved over time while Boo's hasn't changed, then Boo probably wins. There is the recent revelation about the Elder Kaioshin and what-not.

Two Cell Juniors fused together vs SSJ Gotenks (pre-RoSAT)
Two Cell Juniors fused together vs Base Gotenks (post-RoSAT)

Since I'd assume stronger parts make a stronger Fusion... the fused Juniors win in both cases. I think the Cell Juniors' power is still at least a little bit ahead of what the kids possess. Note that I don't believe for a moment that base Gotenks actually surpassed his prior Super Saiyan self after less than two weeks.

SSjSSjG Vegeta vs. San Xing Long (Eis Shenron)
No outside help. Who wins?

My entirely arbitrary guess is that the godly fighters of the new movies are probably only bested in raw power by, if anyone, the late-game extreme heavy hitters of GT. Guys like Yi Xing Long and Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta. I'd say Bluper Saiyan Vegeta wins this one.

Demigra enhanced baby golden Freeza vs both goku and vegeta as their ssjgssj forms. And no fusions. Who wins?

As borderline nonsensical as this match-up is... Freeza appears to already be slightly stronger than SSGSS Goku or Vegeta individually, and I'm betting the combination of Demigra and Baby's power boosts would put him far enough ahead to defeat both of 'em at once.

SS Gotenks post vs. SS Goku (@ Ledgic)

Goku wins by virtue of being GT Goku.

Okay, I've got one. Golden Freeza vs. Super Buu with Gotenks, Piccolo, Gohan, and Vegito all absorbed.

Power-wise, this Boo would be, like... equivalent to one-and-a-half Super Vegettos at best. We know Beerus is probably comfortably ahead of that, but I'm not sure about anyone weaker than him.

[Rocketman]

Power-wise, this Boo would be, like... equivalent to one-and-a-half Super Vegettos at best. We know Beerus is probably comfortably ahead of that, but I'm not sure about anyone weaker than him.

It's simple, Kaboom.

Godku - 6
Super Vegetto - 9.5
Billy - 10
Whis - 15
SS2 Vegetto - 19
SS3 Vegetto - 76

[fadeddreams5]

Vegito has too much Vegeta in him to be a threat to anyone nowadays. Now, if two Gokus were fused together...

[singsing]

Power-wise, this Boo would be, like... equivalent to one-and-a-half Super Vegettos at best. We know Beerus is probably comfortably ahead of that, but I'm not sure about anyone weaker than him.

It's simple, Kaboom.

Godku - 6
Super Vegetto - 9.5
Billy - 10
Whis - 15
SS2 Vegetto - 19
SS3 Vegetto - 76

Why no fusion against the guy about to blow up their planet then?

[Rocketman]

Why no fusion against the guy about to blow up their planet then?

Vegetto doesn't look enough like Goku for Toei to climax.

[supercat]

GT Piccolo - Gauntlet

Assuming the following:
Piccolo > Rildo > Buuhan

How far does he get?

Freeza (before FnF) - Potara Fusion with Zarbon and Dodoria
Army of Meta-Coolers (1000) - no destroying the Big Ghetti Star
Super Perfect Cell - with all Z-Fighters from the Cell Games absorbed
Janemba - Final Form
SSJ3 Broly
Base Vegetto
Hirudegarn
Dabura / Super Perfect Cell - Fusion Dance
Paikuhan / Olibu - Potara Fusion
SSJ Gogeta (Movie 12)
Buuhan with SSJ3 Gotenks
Piccolo (EoZ) fused with every warrior Namekian

Anymore thoughts on this?

[Kaboom]

Not really. I usually steer clear of match-ups and gauntlets involving GT's wacky power scaling.

Why would we assume GT Piccolo is so strong?

[Makaioshin]

Why would we assume GT Piccolo is so strong?

I'm pretty sure it is based on the assumption that Piccolo, as the self-proclaimed warden of hell, fought and subdued Rild at some point.

[supercat]

Not really. I usually steer clear of match-ups and gauntlets involving GT's wacky power scaling.

Why would we assume GT Piccolo is so strong?

While the power scaling and strength increases shown in GT may seem a bit unorthodox to many, there were a few subtle points that implied that Piccolo had surpassed Buuhan.

Goku states that Rildo is above Buu. Which Buu he is referring to is unknown. However, my speculation on this is that it was either Kid Buu or Mr. Buu. As I've mentioned in some of my earlier posts, if Goku was referring to Buuhan, it seems likely that he would have at least briefly mentioned how Rildo is even above Majin Buu during the time Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks were absorbed. Buu's absorbed power is borrowed in a sense, so it seems even more plausible that if Goku was talking about Buuhan, he would have signified it somehow to show just how powerful Rildo is compared to the strongest form of Buu even after he's taken the power of four other fighters.

Assuming Base Rildo is at the very least above Mr. Buu tier, at Final Form, he would likely end up at around the same level as Buuhan. If we assume Base Rildo > Kid Buu, there's even more room to place his Final Form.

GT Piccolo seemed to understand and accept the fact that he would be stuck in a place where Super Perfect Cell resides. Taking that into consideration, GT Piccolo > Super Perfect Cell at the very least is implied. Furthermore, based on Cell's brief conversation with Goku, it was implied that he also had powered up. I mean would Piccolo seriously trap himself in a place where beings evil enough to torture him for eternity existed, if he wasn't far above them?

Further implications were given, when he mentions how the villains won't be causing trouble with him around or something along the lines of that. Before we automatically assume that he was only referring to Nappa, and his new Red Ribbon Army pals, we have to ask ourselves why the weaker villains would fight Piccolo while the stronger ones (Rildo, Cell, Frieza) would sit out. Also, if you see the scene where General Blue and General Black are standing in line on their way back to hell, it shows them standing behind Rildo. Meaning, when Piccolo made his bold statement to the villains, it's very likely that he was directing this to everyone (including Rildo). The only one who may have been excluded from this is HF# 17, as he had not yet made it back down to hell. Regardless, at the end of GT, when Goku visits Piccolo, it seemed like the Namekian had grown quite comfortable with the place. Therefore, it seems safe to assume that Piccolo had managed to keep the villains in check as he had initially proclaimed.

[Kamiccolo9]

This is all overlooking the fact that the oni in Hell seem to do an overall fine job of keeping the place under control most of the time. Obviously something other than pure strength is at play here. It's not like Cell and co. have free run of Hell; every time we see them, they are caged.

[Saiga]

This is all overlooking the fact that the oni in Hell seem to do an overall fine job of keeping the place under control most of the time. Obviously something other than pure strength is at play here. It's not like Cell and co. have free run of Hell; every time we see them, they are caged.

But they needed Goku and Paikuhan to keep them inline in the afterlife filler... that tells me Toei sees them as physically capable of wreaking havoc, but they don't choose to all the time because of the potential repercussions. Piccolo always being there means they'll never get an opportunity like they had in the Super 17 arc again.

[supercat]

This is all overlooking the fact that the oni in Hell seem to do an overall fine job of keeping the place under control most of the time. Obviously something other than pure strength is at play here. It's not like Cell and co. have free run of Hell; every time we see them, they are caged.

During the filler scene in Z when the villains are spectating the fight between Goku and Kid Buu, they didn't appear to be caged, despite them clearly getting locked up after Paikuhan and Goku utterly humiliated them. Although I almost never use filler scenes as points of reference, assuming GT follows the anime, I feel this particular scene could be applicable towards providing a reference for this discussion.

Also, I doubt Piccolo was even thinking about whether or not Cell was caged and / or restricted. For all he knew, Cell was a resident down in the place he was about to spend eternity. Caged or not, the thought of having to spend eternity with an evil being who is far above you in power would at least disturb you a little don't you think? It's pretty likely that Piccolo had at least far surpassed Super Perfect Cell tier in order for this to not even faze him. Because the villains had escaped hell before, It seems probable that Piccolo has taken into consideration that something like that could happen again. Therefore, it seems very likely he walked into this knowing that he may have to stand up and fight as necessary.

Cell's implied power increase also hints towards the villains having the opportunity to run wild and train if needed. This could be backed up by how Gero and Myuu were able to create HF# 17. Both of these milestones don't exactly sound like they could have been reached while being restricted to some cage. Plus Cell and Frieza having access to the freezing machine implies that they were probably well acquainted with the place, with access to things that would not be accessible from a cage.

We can't be 100% certain on whether or not the ogres were harmed. How do we know for a fact that someone like Super Perfect Cell, Frieza, or even Rildo won't occasionally destroy a random ogre for fun? Do we keep a head count on the ogres? With their seemingly large population, how would we even determine if a few unlucky ones met their fate to a bored Frieza or Cell?

In any case, I don't even think the villains have the motivation to torture the ogres at this point, as they likely know that Yemma would send someone like Goku to put them back in their place again if they pushed things too far. I doubt they would want to take the risk of being trashed by Goku just for the sake of taking out a few irrelevant ogres. With Piccolo, however, it seems likely that the villains wouldn't hesitate to either have another shot at him, or fight him just for the sake of being able to trash one of Son Goku's close allies. Only when the task has the potential to yield an amazing reward (escaping hell, trashing the Z-Fighters, etc.), I could see them causing trouble again. Destroying some useless ogres doesn't exactly seem to fit that description.

It was implied that Piccolo was about to begin trashing the villains who approached him; it sure didn't look like these villains were locked up during their confrontation with the Namekian. Although the villains on screen at the time were limited to Nappa and the Red Ribbon Army guys, it's reasonable to assume that the stronger villains were near and would have jumped in if the fight started. This is somewhat supported when you see Rildo in line in front of General Blue and General Black and behind someone who appeared to be Nappa. Therefore, Rildo's close presence to the Red Ribbon Army guys / Nappa implies that Piccolo would have at least sensed Rildo's power in conjunction with the weaklings that approached him.

[Methuselah]

Super 17 (post energy absorption) and Omega Shenron - DBZ Gauntlet

How far can they get going one on one against these amazing fighters from DBZ?

Golden Freeza
SSGSS Vegeta
SSG Goku
SSGSS Goku
Beerus

Super #17 clowns everyone here.

Just out of curiosity, at which point in GT do you think the characters (at least the ones who matter) began to surpass the gods?

[Hugo Boss]

Piccolo, Gohan and Kuririn vs. Shisame and Tagoma

Could the trio manage something against Sorbet's top lieutnants in Ressurrection F? As a special rule, Gohan can't transform into Super Saiyan.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

Piccolo, Gohan and Kuririn vs. Shisame and Tagoma

Could the trio manage something against Sorbet's top lieutnants in Ressurrection F? As a special rule, Gohan can't transform into Super Saiyan.

Piccolo, Gohan and Kuririn die.

[Lord Beerus]

Piccolo, Gohan and Kuririn vs. Shisame and Tagoma

Could the trio manage something against Sorbet's top lieutnants in Ressurrection F? As a special rule, Gohan can't transform into Super Saiyan.

Shisame alone would wreck Piccolo, Gohan and Kuririn on his own. Throwing in Tagoma just makes the job piss easy.

[supercat]

Piccolo, Gohan and Kuririn vs. Shisame and Tagoma

Could the trio manage something against Sorbet's top lieutnants in Ressurrection F? As a special rule, Gohan can't transform into Super Saiyan.

Any one of the trio of Z-Fighters can likely one-shot Tagoma, considering how easily he went down to First Form Frieza (before training).

While Shisami on the other hand could probably trash Base Gohan and Krillin with ease, I could see his fight with Piccolo going either way, with the Namekian possibly having a slight disadvantage in power.

[ZombieVito]

Piccolo, Gohan and Kuririn vs. Shisame and Tagoma

Could the trio manage something against Sorbet's top lieutnants in Ressurrection F? As a special rule, Gohan can't transform into Super Saiyan.

Krillin one shots Tagoma and Piccolo with Gohan's help beats Shisami (I have him equal to Piccolo).