Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[GoldLiger]

Nerfing a characters traits/forms/abilities is stupid not fun.

Any way that Blue Mystic Vegeta power up is coming along great. The fact that they won't show it means that they know how fans will react lol. Oh well I hope they take Xenoverse's version of Potential Unleashed and just use blue highlights instead of white.

[Cold Skin]

Jaco's appearance in the movie could set up an anime adaptation of Jaco, as it is a short manga, so it wouldn't be much of an investment or much of a risk.

But the thing is that Toei is cornered: the Jaco story includes the author's version of Goku's arrival on Earth (plus the author's version of Bardack's story if they include the special chapter), which is not in continuity with Dragon Ball Z and Kai.
Because of that, they would give an interpretation that is not in continuity with the current Dragon Ball series (Z and Kai) and would have to follow up Jaco with a total remake of Dragon Ball to get things in line.

So in the end, this and the next movies might be the only way you'll see Jaco in an anime.
But then again, when Toei had to retcon something they did because the author decided it was otherwise, they never cared much, they just pretended they never did anything to begin with.

[Dyno]

Character development for who?

For Jaco himself, Bulma and hopefully Tights as well.

[Doctor.]

Jaco's appearance in the movie could set up an anime adaptation of Jaco, as it is a short manga, so it wouldn't be much of an investment or much of a risk.

But the thing is that Toei is cornered: the Jaco story includes the author's version of Goku's arrival on Earth (plus the author's version of Bardack's story if they include the special chapter), which is not in continuity with Dragon Ball Z and Kai.
Because of that, they would give an interpretation that is not in continuity with the current Dragon Ball series (Z and Kai) and would have to follow up Jaco with a total remake of Dragon Ball to get things in line.

So in the end, this and the next movies might be the only way you'll see Jaco in an anime.
But then again, when Toei had to retcon something that the author decided was otherwise, they never cared much, they just pretended they never did anything to begin with.

I really hope that if Toei ends up animating Jaco, they make Minus longer (preferably with Toriyama's involvement), so that it doesn't seem so mediocre or rushed.

[Mystic Tien]

It would be interesting if he came to earth to warn them about something else which would lead into the 3rd movie.

Yeah, I think that this is a good idea as well.

[Dyno]

I think it is quite obvious Toei would make "filler" (?) scenes in Dragon Ball Minus, and that is one of the reasons I want to see it animated, if it turns out to be the same case as Trunks' TV Special (which is way... Way... waaaaaaaaaay better than the manga), then Toei earns my deepest and truest love.

[Mystic Tien]

Character development for who?

For Jaco himself, Bulma and hopefully Tights as well.

I'd love to see Bulma finally meeting her sister =D

I think it is quite obvious Toei would make "filler" (?) scenes in Dragon Ball Minus, and that is one of the reasons I want to see it animated, if it turns out to be the same case as Trunks' TV Special (which is way... Way... waaaaaaaaaay better than the manga), then Toei earns my deepest and truest love.

Do you think, that they would make Gine's role larger compared to her role in DBM?

[Skar]

And I don't have a problem with Freeza becoming stronger as I stated before. The only real problem which I have with it is Freeza achieving power level of SSJ God in amount of a few months, while even Goku didn't manage to get even close to if ater all these years. I would have been okay with it, if Freeza trained for 10 years, or better 20 years, and got to power level of SSJ3 Goku, but honestly, SSJ God, moreover in amount of 4 months, it is just too much. Freeza doesn't have zenkais which were a huge help in pretty much anything related to power up of saiyans. It was alone a big reason why Goku power upped so much during his trip on Namek (not that it makes much sense) and why he powered up even more in Namek itself (which didn't make a single bit of sense), but Freeza doesn't possess this ability, Cell does. That is a huge problem for me with Freeza becoming so strong in such a short amount of time.

I agree with you there. This premise of a former villain training and coming back for revenge is pretty common in fan fiction. These stories aren't praised for their creativity and they're so unoriginal and lazy that no one bothers to read them. There are actually a lot of about Freeza training in hell or escaping and then coming back +SSJ3 tier. I've browsed through many revenge stories on fanfiction.net and I honestly can't recommend a single one. I always considered these stories pretty farfetched but imagine how dumb I felt when it turned out Freeza surpassed all of them in a mere four months! At least these stories have Freeza reaching that power in the span of several years or decades.

Before I heard about FnF my usual question to the Freeza revenge idea was that why didn't he train in the past? I understand he's lazy but he did kill the Saiyans because he was worried about them getting too strong. He recruited them in the first place because they were willing to accept any mission he gave them. If he's worried they would surpass him why wouldn't he just train to keep them under his control for good? Even if he's lazy it would probably be easier to train for those four months than spend who know show long looking for strong and dedicated recruits.

What separates FnF Freeza from all these fanfic Freezas is that he apparently knew about Buu this entire time. At least these fanfics kept the idea that Freeza considered himself the strongest in the universe until he met Goku. Why would he go on about being the strongest in the universe when he already knows there are two people out there stronger than him? Ginyu was his strongest henchmen and Freeza was surprised that there anyone stronger than Ginyu. If he knows there are two guys out there much stronger than himself then finding someone stronger than Ginyu wouldn't be all that surprising.

That's why I was a little surprised how FnF is praised for having such an awesome idea but at the same time fan fictions that use a similar premise are considered some of the worst. If I came up with a fanfiction where Cell secretly left behind a Cell Jr and he trained until he surpassed everyone from the Buu saga including Vegetto then would you consider that a good story? Would it change your opinion if I told you that the Cell Jr was a prodigy? Probably not and you would most likely still call it lazy writing. What if I said Gero had a little robot assistant that gathered the Dragonballs and wished back the real Cell then he trained and surpassed Vegetto? He has Saiyan and Freeza's DNA so he's like a double prodigy. What if Mr. Buu had a little piece of Kid Buu still in him and it turned him evil and then he trained to surpass Vegetto?

Don't get me wrong though I'm still looking forward to this movie! I'm just hoping there's more to it than just Freeza coming back for revenge. Maybe it turns out Whis gave him a secret power-up so that he can be a good test for his new students. I think it's more than just a coincidence that he just happened to get wished back shortly after Goku meets Beerus and Whis.

[FortuneSSJ]

So in the end, this and the next movies might be the only way you'll see Jaco in an anime.
But then again, when Toei had to retcon something they did because the author decided it was otherwise, they never cared much, they just pretended they never did anything to begin with.

I don't see any point of DB Minus anime see the light of the day. I hope they never go that way.
Its cool enough to have them on the movies.

[Tennessaiyan]

Nerfing a characters traits/forms/abilities is stupid not fun.

If you are referring to Gohan, really, the only one responsible for the "nerfing" was himself. It's been years now since Buu, he doesn't like to fight, he is a scholar, he recently married, and has just now become a daddy. Training isn't exactly the first thing on his list, and Dragonball makes it clear that if you don't train, you tend to get "soft" or at least begin to stagnate.

Don't get me wrong, I really like (adult) Gohan. He's a great character. It's just a reality now that he's got other things higher on his priority list than progressing in his training and fighting while times are peaceful, and while other characters (such as Goku and Vegeta) continue to train day in and day out, it's only natural that he's going to be left behind to a degree. Still, I'm rooting for him to have a good performance in RF.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Nerfing a characters traits/forms/abilities is stupid not fun.

Any way that Blue Mystic Vegeta power up is coming along great. The fact that they won't show it means that they know how fans will react lol. Oh well I hope they take Xenoverse's version of Potential Unleashed and just use blue highlights instead of white.

Err mate there is no such thing as the blue mystic Vegeta power up lol, that was just a rumour and a poor one at that, coupled with the fact that movie isn't 2hrs proves that this was a ridiculous Vegeta fanboy fantasy rumour.

[Wilderness]

Nerfing a characters traits/forms/abilities is stupid not fun.

Any way that Blue Mystic Vegeta power up is coming along great. The fact that they won't show it means that they know how fans will react lol. Oh well I hope they take Xenoverse's version of Potential Unleashed and just use blue highlights instead of white.

Can I just ask, what is this Blue Mystic Vegeta you keep speaking of?

If it's in reference to this supposed "leaked ending", then I can pretty much promise you it's fake.

[sintzu]

Can I just ask, what is this Blue Mystic Vegeta you keep speaking of?

If it's in reference to this supposed "leaked ending", then I can pretty much promise you it's fake.

The movie's poster hints at it.

[Tennessaiyan]

Can I just ask, what is this Blue Mystic Vegeta you keep speaking of?

If it's in reference to this supposed "leaked ending", then I can pretty much promise you it's fake.

The movie's poster hints at it.

I'm thinking it's just a big ol' tease Not sure if it's intentional, since red and blue has always been intedned to be Goku's and Vegeta's colors, respectively.

[GeeRod]

Someone knows what the narrator says at 0:19? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW-e9TcXZOM
I don't know who, but some page in the facebook translated this trailer and on this part he says: ''This is the final Dragon Ball fight!'' Meaning that maybe this will be the last movie we get?

[Mystic Tien]

And I don't have a problem with Freeza becoming stronger as I stated before. The only real problem which I have with it is Freeza achieving power level of SSJ God in amount of a few months, while even Goku didn't manage to get even close to if ater all these years. I would have been okay with it, if Freeza trained for 10 years, or better 20 years, and got to power level of SSJ3 Goku, but honestly, SSJ God, moreover in amount of 4 months, it is just too much. Freeza doesn't have zenkais which were a huge help in pretty much anything related to power up of saiyans. It was alone a big reason why Goku power upped so much during his trip on Namek (not that it makes much sense) and why he powered up even more in Namek itself (which didn't make a single bit of sense), but Freeza doesn't possess this ability, Cell does. That is a huge problem for me with Freeza becoming so strong in such a short amount of time.

I agree with you there. This premise of a former villain training and coming back for revenge is pretty common in fan fiction. These stories aren't praised for their creativity and they're so unoriginal and lazy that no one bothers to read them. There are actually a lot of about Freeza training in hell or escaping and then coming back +SSJ3 tier. I've browsed through many revenge stories on fanfiction.net and I honestly can't recommend a single one. I always considered these stories pretty farfetched but imagine how dumb I felt when it turned out Freeza surpassed all of them in a mere four months! At least these stories have Freeza reaching that power in the span of several years or decades.

Before I heard about FnF my usual question to the Freeza revenge idea was that why didn't he train in the past? I understand he's lazy but he did kill the Saiyans because he was worried about them getting too strong. He recruited them in the first place because they were willing to accept any mission he gave them. If he's worried they would surpass him why wouldn't he just train to keep them under his control for good? Even if he's lazy it would probably be easier to train for those four months than spend who know show long looking for strong and dedicated recruits.

What separates FnF Freeza from all these fanfic Freezas is that he apparently knew about Buu this entire time. At least these fanfics kept the idea that Freeza considered himself the strongest in the universe until he met Goku. Why would he go on about being the strongest in the universe when he already knows there are two people out there stronger than him? Ginyu was his strongest henchmen and Freeza was surprised that there anyone stronger than Ginyu. If he knows there are two guys out there much stronger than himself then finding someone stronger than Ginyu wouldn't be all that surprising.

That's why I was a little surprised how FnF is praised for having such an awesome idea but at the same time fan fictions that use a similar premise are considered some of the worst. If I came up with a fanfiction where Cell secretly left behind a Cell Jr and he trained until he surpassed everyone from the Buu saga including Vegetto then would you consider that a good story? Would it change your opinion if I told you that the Cell Jr was a prodigy? Probably not and you would most likely still call it lazy writing. What if I said Gero had a little robot assistant that gathered the Dragonballs and wished back the real Cell then he trained and surpassed Vegetto? He has Saiyan and Freeza's DNA so he's like a double prodigy. What if Mr. Buu had a little piece of Kid Buu still in him and it turned him evil and then he trained to surpass Vegetto?

Don't get me wrong though I'm still looking forward to this movie! I'm just hoping there's more to it than just Freeza coming back for revenge. Maybe it turns out Whis gave him a secret power-up so that he can be a good test for his new students. I think it's more than just a coincidence that he just happened to get wished back shortly after Goku meets Beerus and Whis.

Yeah, I don't like it either, that Frieza knows about Buu. Doesn't make a single bit of sense, now Frieza is the same as Vegeta, just a chatterbox, who brags a lot about being the strongest in the universe, but in reality knows, that he isn't even close.

Yeah, I completely agree with you on that. To be honest, return of Cell, or more like appearance of new Cell would make a more lot of sense. If we actually remember, the Present Cell was destroyed by Trunks and Krillin, but... all it would require to return him is for someone to wish for Dr. Gero's Super Computer to be restored. This way we could have Cell... but yet another Cell, not the same one. It could be neat with good execution. Instead we got Frieza... In all honesty, I am still waiting for this movie, because I want to see Vegeta's interactions with Frieza, to see how Vegeta changed in all these years, to see what would Frieza say to him, and how Goku would react to everything. It would be also neat for Frieza to meet both Goten and Trunks (I am not sure that it would happen though, as for now) and to see his and their reaction.

I also think that Whis is somehow related to this, and that all of this will lead to a completely new villain/opponent with much greater powers than Frieza. As for now, indeed, Frieza may be some kind of a test, or even part of a plan of a some new villain, who may be (or may be not) related to Whis in some way.

[GoldLiger]

Nerfing a characters traits/forms/abilities is stupid not fun.

If you are referring to Gohan, really, the only one responsible for the "nerfing" was himself. It's been years now since Buu, he doesn't like to fight, he is a scholar, he recently married, and has just now become a daddy. Training isn't exactly the first thing on his list, and Dragonball makes it clear that if you don't train, you tend to get "soft" or at least begin to stagnate.

Don't get me wrong, I really like (adult) Gohan. He's a great character. It's just a reality now that he's got other things higher on his priority list than progressing in his training and fighting while times are peaceful, and while other characters (such as Goku and Vegeta) continue to train day in and day out, it's only natural that he's going to be left behind to a degree. Still, I'm rooting for him to have a good performance in RF.

Dude did you forget that Gohan still had SS2 after not training for 7 YEARS!!?!??!??!? This movie is 13 months after BoG(who we see Gohan go Mystic Mode in) and they say he lost not only Mystic Mode but Super Saiyan 2 as well? That makes as much sense as Frieza making God Level in Four months. This has been done before because a lot of authors use this option in order to prevent people from thinking they are lazy. But Gohan losing Mystic Mode is a sign that it is being ported over to Vegeta in this movie.

[Doctor.]

Someone knows what the narrator says at 0:19? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW-e9TcXZOM
I don't know who, but some page in the facebook translated this trailer and on this part he says: ''This is the final Dragon Ball fight!'' Meaning that maybe this will be the last movie we get?

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2015/03/25/ne ... r-version/

He says ultimate.

[GoldLiger]

Nerfing a characters traits/forms/abilities is stupid not fun.

Any way that Blue Mystic Vegeta power up is coming along great. The fact that they won't show it means that they know how fans will react lol. Oh well I hope they take Xenoverse's version of Potential Unleashed and just use blue highlights instead of white.

Can I just ask, what is this Blue Mystic Vegeta you keep speaking of?

If it's in reference to this supposed "leaked ending", then I can pretty much promise you it's fake.

And what part of it is fake? The leak has been proven thanks to chapter two of the FnF manga. If Gohan had kept his Mystic Mode in this movie then the rumor would be 100% fake and not 50%,

[Mystic Tien]

Someone knows what the narrator says at 0:19? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW-e9TcXZOM
I don't know who, but some page in the facebook translated this trailer and on this part he says: ''This is the final Dragon Ball fight!'' Meaning that maybe this will be the last movie we get?

"This is the ultimate Dragon Ball battle" or something along these lines.