Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[dbzfan7]

Anyone wish that Elder Kaioshin and Kibitoshin would show up in the movie? I always enjoy seeing them on screen together.

Yes. Yes please. Let Kibitoshin join in the fight. Everyone can't stop making fun of the whole "M" thing, so let him redeem himself. He also embarrassed himself in GT.

Nah man. Papa Tenshinhan told him to stay at him. This battle against Saibamen-tier henchmen is only suitable for REAL warriors. Like Roshi.

Damn it Tenshinhan I thought you guys needed all the help you could get. I guess Mr. Satan is too busy with sleeping Boo.

[GokuRules987]

I still dont understand why goten and trunks wont appear in this movie? I would have really loved to see SSJ3 Gotenks vs Frieza fight.

[TJVY]

I would have really loved to see SSJ3 Gotenks vs Freeza fight.

That wouldn't have happened anyway. Frieza's reached God tier now, but he probably would have helped with the henchman a lot more than the others will.

[GokuRules987]

I would have really loved to see SSJ3 Gotenks vs Freeza fight.

That wouldn't have happened anyway. Freeza's reached God tier now, but he probably would have helped with the henchman a lot more than the others will.

If Frieza is a god tier then why is Goku and Vegeta fighting him in their base forms? where is kaioken? where is super saiyan?
Most likely either another excuse to nerf characters and ass pull back fodder tier villains like Frieza.
And funny how they use SSJ Goku to advertise their new movie ROFL. I smell a lot of hate and disappointment from fans after this movie even more than battle of gods had. Goku should either be fighting Frieza in his new SSJ God form or atleast use super saiyan transformation to give the movie that classic DBZ feel.

[Attitudefan]

I would have really loved to see SSJ3 Gotenks vs Freeza fight.

That wouldn't have happened anyway. Freeza's reached God tier now, but he probably would have helped with the henchman a lot more than the others will.

If Freeza is a god tier then why is Goku and Vegeta fighting him in their base forms? where is kaioken? where is super saiyan?
Most likely either another excuse to nerf characters and ass pull back fodder tier villains like Freeza.
And funny how they use SSJ Goku to advertise their new movie ROFL. I smell a lot of hate and disappointment from fans after this movie even more than battle of gods had. Goku should either be fighting Freeza in his new SSJ God form or atleast use super saiyan transformation to give the movie that classic DBZ feel.

How about having less transformations or none at all. I love power-ups, but the Super Saiyan thing just got over done.

I would rather see Kaio-Ken any day of the week over Super Saiyan.

[Zephyr]

-No it's a waste. You'll never compare so no point in trying to have dreams or goals of comparing.
-Which undermines Dragon Ball as it makes everything feel stupid and that our heroes are only lucky their opponents are dipshits.
-He does if he's supposed to know how strong they even are. He could think getting only 10x stronger is all he needs. He has no idea.
-It makes them both wrong and moronic. It's like if I bragged I'm the strongest in the universe among my house, just cause no one there is as strong as me. It makes me and them look like fools.

- Well, Krillin and Yamcha would certainly agree I guess.
- Then Dragon Ball was undermined before this whole "four months" thing existed. Every villain could have been way smarter about things and won, training potential or not. Lucky for our heroes that they weren't.
- He could have been told by a source he trusts, he could have witnessed, he could have experienced, etc. I don't see why this needs to be spelled out.
- I don't see how it's a problem for cocky, arrogant shitheads to, as a result, be wrong and moronic.

-Yes it does. Just suddenly being stronger cause fuck reasons is stupid. It's like introducing a new character that suddenly becomes Goku's best friend. Then they talk about how they're best friends now, without explaining how this even happened.
-The genotype only now gets such a label of prodigy when this was never hinted at in the manga. The genotype has no clue as to training at all since he never did it, and yet becomes a master in 4 months.
-No it's not. Every power up has some form of explanation. The only lacking one is Zenkai's, and those went away after SSJ.
-Because there is no real purpose for Freeza. What does the universe gain from Freeza returning? Are characters really going to gain much? Vegeta and Goku don't seem troubled and practically don't think much of Freeza. We'll have to wait to know for sure, but Beerus and Whis actually brought expanding to the universe. Or in this case multi-verse.

- They gave you reasons. He's a mutant with assloads of potential, training for gains for the first time.
- When Freeza calls himself a prodigy, I assume he's referring to his abnormally high natural battle power, which appears to be attributed to his being a mutant. So any time I see the "prodigy" thing brought up, I just replace it with "mutant". That said, doesn't Ginyu make mention of Freeza being a mutant in the manga? Toriyama also stated as such as early as 2003.
- Him being a mutant and thus having bizarre physiology seems to be a pretty solid one. The zenkais I feel are far flimsier, they're not even explained. The Saiyans can just get them.
- I think Freeza coming backs works well, given the amount they'd been talking about him in the previous movie. It makes BoG appear to have more foreshadowing elements to it. And it also looks like they're giving Freeza legitimate character development, which is cool. As for "what does the universe gain?" well we don't know. We've seen comments about "Freeza wins the 'war'", whatever that means, as well as to stay after the credits. Now I can be wrong here for sure, but it sounds like they are going to do some big stuff with him.

The point is we don't want it anywhere. Really it's impossible to please everyone so what I may find problems, you don't. What I may see stupid, you think is good enough. There's no real convincing. There's also the fact of how good something turns out. If FNF is really good, that makes me suspend my disbelief. If it doesn't satisfy, then the problems I have are more glaring.

I understand and agree with everything you're saying here.

-In a series where death means nothing, this is actually a good twist.
-Not sure what you mean here.
-A villian no one knew about at all, and wasn't mentioned. Gero wasn't even someone we knew about. He had been analyzing our fighters for a long time.
-Second verse same almost same as the first.

- For Dragon Ball, it just seemed unnecessarily dark at first.
- I'm talking about how the method they could have used to fix things wasn't even mentioned. Like they didn't even think of it. If they did, it would have helped for it to be brought up as something that wasn't possible, or something.
- True, but I mean the Red Ribbon Army in general. Gero also comes out of nowhere, which makes it feel fairly contrived.
- My point with Cell was that he knew peoples' techniques because he had their DNA. Martial arts techniques are thus literally genetically passed down. That's just....what?

And again, I don't actually have any big beef with any of this. I'm just saying that if any of this new stuff is fanfiction-y, then plenty in the manga is as well.

EDIT:

I don't get why people are so crazy on both sides of this. What doesn't make sense to me might be acceptable for you, and that's fine. This has become less about inconsistencies, and more about forcing opinions. What I think should get a good explanation, some others think doesn't need one. You can't please everyone, and not every answer is good enough for everyone either. So really we shouldn't even be arguing about Freeza or whatever as everyone has their sides. Everyone has their stance whether it makes sense or whether he has a ridiculous growth in power.

We should really leave it at that and move on. At least wait for new material to discuss as I think everyone can agree on, this Freeza growth topic has gone on way too long. Whether you like or not, I highly doubt anyone is going to change their mind until we see the movie or hear the summary. Then we'll see who changes, and who sticks by their opinion.

Just now saw this. I agree. We should just agree to disagree for now.

[GokuRules987]

How about having less transformations or non at all. I love power-ups, but the Super Saiyan thing just got over done.

I would rather see Kaio-Ken any day of the week over Super Saiyan.

You might want to look in into another form of entertainment if you think DBZ shouldnt have transformations or Super Saiyans in it. Cause having transformations and Super Saiyan forms are basically what made DBZ it is today. Different transformations of Buu, Frieza, Cell, Gohan first time reaching ssj and then ss2. Then Goku becoming ssj3 and fighting against majin buu. without that DBZ wouldnt even been that popular.
And Kai-Ken is basically Super Saiyan form that is more powerful and doesnt drain much energy.

[ACCloud]

How about having less transformations or non at all. I love power-ups, but the Super Saiyan thing just got over done.

I would rather see Kaio-Ken any day of the week over Super Saiyan.

You might want to look in into another form of entertainment if you think DBZ shouldnt have transformations or Super Saiyans in it. Cause having transformations and Super Saiyan forms are basically what made DBZ it is today. Different transformations of Buu, Freeza, Cell, Gohan first time reaching ssj and then ss2. Then Goku becoming ssj3 and fighting against majin buu. without that DBZ wouldnt even been that popular.
And Kai-Ken is basically Super Saiyan form that is more powerful and doesnt drain much energy.

As has been previously explained, Goku has now taken God power into his body, so he (seemingly) no longer needs to transform. Toriyama spoke about cutting down on transformations, so it seems like that's the way things are going. Here's the quote again for reference:

"After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more." (http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... mysteries/)

Also, your comments about popularity are an absolute fallacy. Don't forget, Dragon Ball was over halfway complete when Super Saiyan was introduced. The series was incredibly popular before that, and I have never seen anything to indicate that Super Saiyan or any other transformation re-defined that popularity. Toei and Funimation certainly loved using Super Saiyan in marketing, but that's about it.

Personally, I'm fine with cutting down on the transformations. I'd like to see a bit more of Super Saiyan God, but I don't need tons of new transformations (or the repetition of old ones - I've seen enough throughout the series).

[The Monkey King]

So if Goten and Trunks trained for 4 months (they were stronger than Freeza as kids) then Gotenks stomps Whis with ease, all you people defending Freeza's power up would be cool with it?

[Bullza]

So if Goten and Trunks trained for 4 months (they were stronger than Freeza as kids) then Gotenks stomps Whis with ease, all you people defending Freeza's power up would be cool with it?

No because they'd still be terrible characters.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

Couple of questions about the preview screenings next Monday:
- Are they going to be in 3D?
- Will they be distributing copies of Dragon Ball Volume “F” there or will those be unavailable until the actual theatrical run begins?

EDIT: Just posted on 2ch:

On a side note, they seem to be getting a kick out of the new Yamcha figure.

[Sora Saiyan]

So if Goten and Trunks trained for 4 months (they were stronger than Freeza as kids) then Gotenks stomps Whis with ease, all you people defending Freeza's power up would be cool with it?

Well not really, Trunks and Goten used to spar, train with their elders and even went in the RoSaT,and they still need to transform to be above Freeza in his true (base) form. Freeza on the other hand has never trained or had a true transformation.

[SSJGFrieza]

Couple of questions about the preview screenings next Monday:
- Are they going to be in 3D?
- Will they be distributing copies of Dragon Ball Volume “F” there or will those be unavailable until the actual theatrical run begins?

EDIT: Just posted on 2ch:

On a side note, they seem to be getting a kick out of the new Yamcha figure.

Oh this looks interesting, probably no new info though.

[Kishido]

So Frieza will win the war... Please no future Frieza comeback...

[sintzu]

So Freeza will win the war...

Where did you find that ?

[The Monkey King]

So if Goten and Trunks trained for 4 months (they were stronger than Freeza as kids) then Gotenks stomps Whis with ease, all you people defending Freeza's power up would be cool with it?

Well not really, Trunks and Goten used to spar, train with their elders and even went in the RoSaT,and they still need to transform to be above Freeza in his true (base) form. Freeza on the other hand has never trained or had a true transformation.

I'm talking about beginning of Buu arc Goten and Trunks, they had about as much 'training' as Freeza as they all had vague sparring sessions.
Heck Goten and Trunks didn't know any techniques and Goten couldn't even fly. Yet their base forms could at least challenge 50% Freeza while their SSJ forms could stomp him. Goten and Trunks are bigger prodiges than Freeza if they trained seriously for 4 months surely you'd be fine with Gotenks stomping Whis and Beerus with ease.

[BlackCatScott]

I tweeted Manga UK last night, and they've replied with this: https://twitter.com/MangaUK/status/581040542655594496

Not sure what to make of it, but interesting I guess that they put a dot at the start of the tweet so that all of their followers can see. I don't know, it's just something.

[Kishido]

So Freeza will win the war...

Where did you find that ?

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... sei-nakao/

[kidhero1000]

How about having less transformations or non at all. I love power-ups, but the Super Saiyan thing just got over done.

I would rather see Kaio-Ken any day of the week over Super Saiyan.

You might want to look in into another form of entertainment if you think DBZ shouldnt have transformations or Super Saiyans in it. Cause having transformations and Super Saiyan forms are basically what made DBZ it is today. Different transformations of Buu, Freeza, Cell, Gohan first time reaching ssj and then ss2. Then Goku becoming ssj3 and fighting against majin buu. without that DBZ wouldnt even been that popular.
And Kai-Ken is basically Super Saiyan form that is more powerful and doesnt drain much energy.

Which amounted to what? A dragged out arc? Last I checked, Goku didn't defeat Buu or any canon Character using the SSJ3. All those Different transformations of Buu didn't amount to shit in the end, since he ended up devolving to his original form and being destroyed by a SSB powered up further by a SS1 Goku.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

So Freeza will win the war...

Where did you find that ?

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... sei-nakao/

Oh man. How did I miss that?

Something like that anyway; he’s really something special. (laughs) (In this new movie) as far as Freeza’s concerned, you could say he “loses the battle, but wins the war”. Stay in your seats when the ending credits start to roll, and keep watching until the very end.

Fuck me. Excitement levels have risen beyond Freeza's new battle power.

Thanks for the translations, Herms! Reading these interviews always reminds of why I love the series. All of their comments are phrased so well and they sound so genuine. That might just be the Japanese way, but they still never fail to fill me with anticipation. I found it interesting how Hayashida mentioned that, "he’s good at carefully weaving in foreshadowing." Maybe I'm reading into things too much, but I'm curious now.

I tweeted Manga UK last night, and they've replied with this: https://twitter.com/MangaUK/status/581040542655594496

Not sure what to make of it, but interesting I guess that they put a dot at the start of the tweet so that all of their followers can see. I don't know, it's just something.

That reminds me, here's the little exchange I had with Madman NZ on Twitter after FUNimation's big announcement:
https://twitter.com/MonotoneCrater/stat ... 6366274560
To be expected, I guess, but always good to have some sort of confirmation.