Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:25 am

Saiyan-Professor wrote:They may be pinheads but you have to embrace the fact that Vegerot is not the Dragonball god. Between the manga and anime we do not even know how strong he is, Vegerot may only be a tad stronger than Majin Boo. As for Broli, well that just makes perfect sense because he is the Hulk of Dragonball.

I-I'm sorry; did you say . . . a "tad" stronger? Shall I in turn titter at such a notion?

How is he not a god by every conceivable definition of the word? The anime especially makes it painfully clear that Vegetto is far stronger than Majin Boo (and thus any other character in DragonBall history) by having Boo get smacked around like Moral Orel for a good four episodes-- Boo, who had dominated every fight previously without issue. Unless you meant that we don't know how strong the alternate universe Vegetto is, which is true, I'm'a gonna hafta call bullshit.

~Da Lemmy

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:06 pm

Break out the flow charts!![/Arlian King voice]

If Gotenks > Super Boo > Gokû, and Gohan > Gotenks > Super Boo > Gokû > Vegeta, Super Boo +Goten + Trunks + Piccolo + Gohan= Boohan, than Gokû + Vegeta + Magic = Vegetto > Boohan.

Now that that's all written confusing-so, allow myself to explain. Gotenks is stronger than Super Boo who Gokuu--along with Vegeta--was afraid to fight on his own. Gokû is therefore weaker than the Super Boo Gotenks and Gohan bent over for a $2300 carborator (saw Gran Torino recently, sorry). That very Super Boo then absorbed Gotenks and Piccolo and was more powerful than Gohan, who was obviously dealin' more damage to Boo than Gotenks was. This Boo looses power when the fusion ends, but adds Gohan's power to his own. 'Boohan' is now the most powerful being ever in the series, until the magic of the Potara create Vegetto who effortlessly--with not 1/8 of his power--incinerates Boohan's head-tail and leaves him no chance to even touch him. While using--at the most--1/8 his power. If that doesn't say something about Vegetto's incredible power, I haven't a clue what does.

But then again, he's right up there with Silver Age Earth-One Superman.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:50 pm

Li'l Lemmy wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:They may be pinheads but you have to embrace the fact that Vegerot is not the Dragonball god. Between the manga and anime we do not even know how strong he is, Vegerot may only be a tad stronger than Majin Boo. As for Broli, well that just makes perfect sense because he is the Hulk of Dragonball.
I-I'm sorry; did you say . . . a "tad" stronger? Shall I in turn titter at such a notion?

How is he not a god by every conceivable definition of the word? The anime especially makes it painfully clear that Vegetto is far stronger than Majin Boo (and thus any other character in DragonBall history) by having Boo get smacked around like Moral Orel for a good four episodes-- Boo, who had dominated every fight previously without issue. Unless you meant that we don't know how strong the alternate universe Vegetto is, which is true, I'm'a gonna hafta call bullshit.

~Da Lemmy

It all depends on whether you hold to the manga or anime. The manga makes it appear as if Vegerot needed to transform to play around with Boo while the anime makes it appear as if going Super Saiyan was unnecessary. If you count GT, then there are tons of characters on his level or greater from what we saw in Z. Hell GT Chibi Kakarrot could fight evenly with Vegerot.

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:57 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Hell GT Chibi Kakarrot could fight evenly with Vegerot.

I agree with everything you said except for this here. GT itself may be one giant plothole excuse for all kinds of crazy shit to happen, but even considering this, there's just no way in hell that chibi Goku would be any sort of a match for Vegetto-- not even if he transformed all the way to Super Saiyan 3.

If you can provide me with evidence to the contrary, I'd sure as hell like to see it.

~Da Lemmy

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:05 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:It all depends on whether you hold to the manga or anime.

If you get to gush over movie-only Broli, I get to use Base Vegetto's complete dominance of Super Buu.

And what the fuck, man. Vegetto is shown in both manga and anime to be so far beyond Buu fused with Mystic Gohan that he bats him around like a cat with a dead mouse.

How can Broly compare with that AT ALL other than you sticking your fingers in your ears and going LA LA LA LA? If you get to just make up a version of Broly who's that strong, then why do you insist on Vegetto being the canon version instead of a made-p form that's way stronger than your bullshit Broly?

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:08 pm

Rocketman wrote:How can Broly compare with that AT ALL other than you sticking your fingers in your ears and going LA LA LA LA? If you get to just make up a version of Broly who's that strong, then why do you insist on Vegetto being the canon version instead of a made-p form that's way stronger than your bullshit Broly?

I agree with this. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

~Da Lemmy

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:51 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:If you count GT, then there are tons of characters on his level or greater from what we saw in Z. Hell GT Chibi Kakarrot could fight evenly with Vegerot.

Wrong. There are not tons of characters EVEN IF we include GT and the movies. There are TWO characters that are either equal to or above Vegetto's level.

Movie 12 Gogeta = Vegetto

GT Gogeta > Vegetto

mattymoron · Post by **mattymoron** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:58 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:If you count GT, then there are tons of characters on his level or greater from what we saw in Z. Hell GT Chibi Kakarrot could fight evenly with Vegerot.
Wrong. There are not tons of characters EVEN IF we include GT and the movies. There are TWO characters that are either equal to or above Vegetto's level.

Movie 12 Gogeta = Vegetto

GT Gogeta > Vegetto

I always saw movie 12 Gogeta as less powerful than Vegetto.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:11 pm

mattymoron wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:If you count GT, then there are tons of characters on his level or greater from what we saw in Z. Hell GT Chibi Kakarrot could fight evenly with Vegerot.
Wrong. There are not tons of characters EVEN IF we include GT and the movies. There are TWO characters that are either equal to or above Vegetto's level.

Movie 12 Gogeta = Vegetto

GT Gogeta > Vegetto
I always saw movie 12 Gogeta as less powerful than Vegetto.

I bet you can't explain why

And even if you could, the difference in power is very minuscule.

mattymoron · Post by **mattymoron** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:15 pm

It's been a while since I've watched the episodes, but didn't Elder Kaioshin say that Potara fusion was more powerful than regular fusion?

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:18 pm

mattymoron wrote:It's been a while since I've watched the episodes, but didn't Elder Kaioshin say that Potara fusion was more powerful than regular fusion?

Yeah, the Patora fusion is stronger, more or less because it's permanent, under most circumstances.

mattymoron · Post by **mattymoron** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:20 pm

Pain wrote:
mattymoron wrote:It's been a while since I've watched the episodes, but didn't Elder Kaioshin say that Potara fusion was more powerful than regular fusion?
Yeah, the Patora fusion is stronger, more or less because it's permanent, under most circumstances.

Then that is why Vegetto is stronger than Gogeta!

Eddie · Post by **Eddie** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:25 pm

Elder Kai made it sound like potara fusion is much more powerful than the fusion dance. Oh, and theres no way in hell Broly is even in the top 10 most powerful characters in the series.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:39 pm

Eddie wrote:Elder Kai made it sound like potara fusion is much more powerful than the fusion dance. Oh, and theres no way in hell Broly is even in the top 10 most powerful characters in the series.

If we count all forms of Boo and Cell as a whole character, then I think he is. I'll make a list of the top ten most powerful. But, I won't include fusions. I guess I can say that this is my own opinion, though.

1. Son Gohan

2. Son Goku

3. Boo(Kid Boo is the original "un-fused" Boo, and since Son Goku's fully-powered SSJ3 transformation could defeat him, he's below Son Goku.)

4. Hildegarn

5. Vegeta

6. Piccolo?(Did he surpass Cell, in the 7 year gap?)

7. Dabra and Cell(Son said that they were about equal, right?)

8. Bojack(Defeated so much easier than Cell and Dabra)

9. Cell Junior

10. Broly
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Does this sound about right? Am I missing something or are some of the characters misplaced?

Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:34 pm

^ You forgot Janemba. Dabra and Cell count as only one character? And I doubt Cell Jr. is stronger than Brolly.

SSJ2bardock wrote:Wrong. There are not tons of characters EVEN IF we include GT and the movies. There are TWO characters that are either equal to or above Vegetto's level.

Everything that can make SSJ4 struggle is superior to Vegetto. Elder Kai said so.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:40 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:Everything that can make SSJ4 struggle is superior to Vegetto. Elder Kai said so.

What about Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto? It's debatable, but I believe that Vegetto can reach that level of transformation. He has both the knowledge and strength.

Freeza Heika · Post by **Freeza Heika** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:50 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
Senzu_Bean wrote:Everything that can make SSJ4 struggle is superior to Vegetto. Elder Kai said so.
What about Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto? It's debatable, but I believe that Vegetto can reach that level of transformation. He has both the knowledge and strength.

If Super Saiyan 3 put strain on Gotenks, who was fused via the fusion dance and then defused, it could have adverse effects on Vegetto. Vegetto's fusion won't run out of time like Gotenks, so is it possible that he would just tire drastically quick, perhaps faster than Gotenks. Plus, his Super Saiyan 3 transformation would be much stronger, so could it mean death?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:56 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:Everything that can make SSJ4 struggle is superior to Vegetto. Elder Kai said so.

I missed that line. What did he say?

Freeza Heika wrote:Plus, his Super Saiyan 3 transformation would be much stronger, so could it mean death?

Vegetto is half-dead, though. Super Saiyan 3 wouldn't put as much strain on him.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:56 pm

Freeza Heika wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:
Senzu_Bean wrote:Everything that can make SSJ4 struggle is superior to Vegetto. Elder Kai said so.
What about Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto? It's debatable, but I believe that Vegetto can reach that level of transformation. He has both the knowledge and strength.
If Super Saiyan 3 put strain on Gotenks, who was fused via Potara and then defused, it could have adverse effects on Vegetto. Vegetto's fusion won't run out of time like Gotenks, so is it possible that he would just tire drastically quick, perhaps faster than Gotenks. Plus, his Super Saiyan 3 transformation would be much stronger, so could it mean death?

Gotenks? Via Patora? Whatever you say, captain.

Freeza Heika · Post by **Freeza Heika** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:59 pm

Pain wrote:
Freeza Heika wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote: What about Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto? It's debatable, but I believe that Vegetto can reach that level of transformation. He has both the knowledge and strength.
If Super Saiyan 3 put strain on Gotenks, who was fused via Potara and then defused, it could have adverse effects on Vegetto. Vegetto's fusion won't run out of time like Gotenks, so is it possible that he would just tire drastically quick, perhaps faster than Gotenks. Plus, his Super Saiyan 3 transformation would be much stronger, so could it mean death?
Gotenks? Via Patora? Whatever you say, captain.

It's not my fault! I was thinking about 2 different people fused different ways. I got them mixed up.