"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[The gr]

I'm glad toriyama call out the constant homages and the battles are too safe,chapter 29 is a sign of toyo taking advice from AT which i'm grateful for.I liked the interview,i can't wait for volume 5

[OLKv3]

Toyotaro got him to bring back Vegetto, but Toriyama already made the retcon for the potara before that, because he was using it as an excuse for Zamasu to defuse so Goku and Vegeta could beat him
Basically, the whole "Zamasu isn't a Kaioshin so his fusion is temporary" thing came from Toriyama.

[Pannaliciour]

Whats the matter with you people. Its an interview about the manga with Toriyama and Toyotora. Ofcourse he wont say something like he doesnt use my original draft good. He probably is sitting next to him in that interview. Cant attack him (disrespect).

Now people claiming manga is better?? Loll. Its the same what we already knew. Toriyama gives the script and anime and Toyo breaking it up into episodes/chapters.

That interview only proves that Toyo is using stuff that wasnt from Toriyama (ssj.god Vegeta and training/healing Trunks). How can did be any better or worse than anime??? They are doing both the same shit.

[emperior]

We know for a fact that Toriyama rewrote BoG cause he didn't like the original script, and only used the God of Destruction and Super Saiyan God concepts from the original script. He also said the original design for SSG was "completely wrong" and Yamamuro suggested his design twice cause he really liked it.
Toriyama was also very critical of Evolution, and also criticized the anime for making Goku's gi red and for making him more of a righteous hero.
Toriyama definitely cares about Dragon Ball, he admitted it himself. Toyotaro just happens to be very good for Toriyama and his ideas and storyboards are seemingly always approved.

[HeroR]

I'm glad toriyama call out the constant homages and the battles are too safe,chapter 29 is a sign of toyo taking advice from AT which i'm grateful for.I liked the interview,i can't wait for volume 5

29 still has homages.

[Helios518]

I disagree. A very reliable source (kei17) reported, a while ago, that Toriyama was so angry with the anime's poor quality he wanted to quit Super, and they had to give him ideas for the next arc (FT arc) to keep him on board.
This means he actually cares somewhat, along with the fact that he supervises every storyboard. He's just very laid back and not too oppressive - I would speculate it's got something to do with his "hatred" towards his old editors, who disapproved many of his ideas.
While the anime and manga might not be the very best thing in some parts, they are both definitely Dragon Ball, they are doing well and are both good products. Toei and Toyo are following Toriyama's overall vision, so he's ok with them adding their own spin to spice things up in between plot points. Kaioken, for example, was well received and SSG returning too. Toyotaro also made a good call on fans wanting Vegetto/Goku and Vegeta fusing, and it made sense considering Kaioshin was there, Zamasu and Black fused too, and the retcon might prove useful in the future to give a better motivation to Goku and Vegeta not fusing other than pride.

Wow, I knew Toriyama was mad with DBS but did he actually say he wanted to quit DBS?

[dbgtFO]

Where are people getting the idea that Toriyama mentioned the homages? I only saw him mention the battle scenes needing to be less safe and more rough.

[sintzu]

Toriyama definitely cares about Dragon Ball, he admitted it himself. Toyotaro just happens to be very good for Toriyama and his ideas and storyboards are seemingly always approved.

Toriyama knows DB will be around for a lot longer than he can support it so it seems like instead of taking over everything and forcing everyone to follow him, he's being more of a teacher and letting them do their own thing while he guides them in the right direction so when he does finally walk away, it'll be in good hands.

[The gr]

I'm glad toriyama call out the constant homages and the battles are too safe,chapter 29 is a sign of toyo taking advice from AT which i'm grateful for.I liked the interview,i can't wait for volume 5

29 still has homages.

Wait which one,because i'm hearing a user mention tori calling out the homages

The chapter had good action,it wasn't safe and it had more dynamic poses which is probaly toyotaro taking his advice of making battle less safe i suppose

[Pannaliciour]

We know for a fact that Toriyama rewrote BoG cause he didn't like the original script, and only used the God of Destruction and Super Saiyan God concepts from the original script. He also said the original design for SSG was "completely wrong" and Yamamuro suggested his design twice cause he really liked it.
Toriyama was also very critical of Evolution, and also criticized the anime for making Goku's gi red and for making him more of a righteous hero.
Toriyama definitely cares about Dragon Ball, he admitted it himself. Toyotaro just happens to be very good for Toriyama and his ideas and storyboards are seemingly always approved.

The Buu saga Goku (manga) was exactly the same as the anime goku. The hero not the fighter. How are people blaming the anime for that. Tori made Goku wanting to save people instead of fighting buu.

Btw the Anime (super) makes Goku stupid and fighthungry again. Isnt that what Tori wants.

[HeroR]

I disagree. A very reliable source (kei17) reported, a while ago, that Toriyama was so angry with the anime's poor quality he wanted to quit Super, and they had to give him ideas for the next arc (FT arc) to keep him on board.
This means he actually cares somewhat, along with the fact that he supervises every storyboard. He's just very laid back and not too oppressive - I would speculate it's got something to do with his "hatred" towards his old editors, who disapproved many of his ideas.
While the anime and manga might not be the very best thing in some parts, they are both definitely Dragon Ball, they are doing well and are both good products. Toei and Toyo are following Toriyama's overall vision, so he's ok with them adding their own spin to spice things up in between plot points. Kaioken, for example, was well received and SSG returning too. Toyotaro also made a good call on fans wanting Vegetto/Goku and Vegeta fusing, and it made sense considering Kaioshin was there, Zamasu and Black fused too, and the retcon might prove useful in the future to give a better motivation to Goku and Vegeta not fusing other than pride.

Wow, I knew Toriyama was mad with DBS but did he actually say he wanted to quit DBS?

That’s what kei17 claimed someone told them.

Personally, don’t really believed it since Toriyama didn’t start writing the Future Trunks Saga unti Oct 2016. Super would just be going into the Resurrection ‘F’ stuff, so why would he leave before the anime even got to his original material?

[LightBing]

Where are people getting the idea that Toriyama mentioned the homages? I only saw him mention the battle scenes needing to be less safe and more rough.

Yeah I was also wondering this. Seems people are holding on to the "chasing after my DB" and the battle scenes line to make this up. It's possible it's in reference to the homages but not clearly stated anywhere; at least in Herms translation.

[sintzu]

The Buu saga Goku (manga) was exactly the same as the anime goku. The hero not the fighter.

It seems like Toriyama wanted Goku one way but his writing ended up turning him into something else, most likely unintentionally. Yeah the anime played up his heroic side but that's because he was kind of like that in the manga as well.

[emperior]

I believe Toriyama is "growing" Toyotaro up so that when Super is over, Toyo will continue Dragon Ball by making his new, official manga probably set in a era without Goku.

[OLKv3]

I'm glad toriyama call out the constant homages and the battles are too safe,chapter 29 is a sign of toyo taking advice from AT which i'm grateful for.I liked the interview,i can't wait for volume 5

29 still has homages.

Wait which one,because i'm hearing a user mention tori calling out the homages

The chapter had good action,it wasn't safe and it had more dynamic poses which is probaly toyotaro taking his advice of making battle less safe i suppose

Toppo's kick on Goku was Vegeta kicking Cell
SSG Goku charging at Toppo was the exact same pose that SSB Goku had when he charged Merged Zamasu
Those are the only two I know of

[Meshack]

Toyotarou is the only one I can see understanding Gokuh as a character that’s not Toriyama.

[Totamo]

They can because Toriyama supervised and are okay with some of their ideas. So he’s more than 30% since everything goes through him.

You know damn well Toriyama likes to take the easy way when it comes to this sort of thing, notice how we never once heard of him telling them an idea was bad or giving a disapproval of an idea.


I am thoroughly convinced Toriyama does not care what they do and lets them do what they want, they give him an idea, he will say go ahead and do it then they will put his name on it. Its a marketing tool because his name is powerful.


And if you disagree, find one interview on super where Toriyama said no to one thing they proposed.

If Toriyama doesn’t want to do something, he won’t do it. And just because we ‘never once heard of him telling them an idea was bad or giving a disapproval of an idea’ doesn’t mean it doesn’t happens. After all, the absent of evidence isn’t evidence. Especially when we have seen some of the corrections he did for the manga.

He cares. He’s just loose about people using their own ideas. It’s no different when his editors used to give him suggests during his manga days.

Where is your proof that he approves everything since you’re the one making the charge. The burden of proof is on you, especially since the absent of evidence isn’t evidence.

The simple fact that he doesn't care how point a gets to point b. I argue as a storyteller, thats pretty important You only need to read both the anime and the manga to know that.

[The gr]

Toppo's kick on Goku was Vegeta kicking Cell
SSG Goku charging at Toppo was the exact same pose that SSB Goku had when he charged Merged Zamasu
Those are the only two I know of

I see,i wouldn't call ssg one a homage rather a recycled pose

[HeroR]

You know damn well Toriyama likes to take the easy way when it comes to this sort of thing, notice how we never once heard of him telling them an idea was bad or giving a disapproval of an idea.


I am thoroughly convinced Toriyama does not care what they do and lets them do what they want, they give him an idea, he will say go ahead and do it then they will put his name on it. Its a marketing tool because his name is powerful.


And if you disagree, find one interview on super where Toriyama said no to one thing they proposed.

If Toriyama doesn’t want to do something, he won’t do it. And just because we ‘never once heard of him telling them an idea was bad or giving a disapproval of an idea’ doesn’t mean it doesn’t happens. After all, the absent of evidence isn’t evidence. Especially when we have seen some of the corrections he did for the manga.

He cares. He’s just loose about people using their own ideas. It’s no different when his editors used to give him suggests during his manga days.

Where is your proof that he approves everything since you’re the one making the charge. The burden of proof is on you, especially since the absent of evidence isn’t evidence.

The simple fact that he doesn't care how point a gets to point b. I argue as a storyteller, thats pretty important You only need to read both the anime and the manga to know that.

Thsat isn’t evidence. That is Toriyama being okay with other people’s ideas and want them to be creative. He even told Toyo to stop trying to be him.

The anime and manga are two different takes on the same story because Toriyama wants it that way.

[namekiansaiyan]

Anyone working on Dragon Ball now should ban themselves from having any throwbacks.

I just find it weird that they don't want to make anything new that would be remembered.