"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[sintzu]

I believe Toriyama is "growing" Toyotaro up so that when Super is over, Toyo will continue Dragon Ball by making his new, official manga probably set in a era without Goku.

If you take Goku out of DB then you don't have DB.

[OLKv3]

Toppo's kick on Goku was Vegeta kicking Cell
SSG Goku charging at Toppo was the exact same pose that SSB Goku had when he charged Merged Zamasu
Those are the only two I know of

I see,i wouldn't call ssg one a homage rather a recycled pose

They're all recycled tbh. I don't see them as homages because every fan fiction artist does the same thing. It's lack of creativity for the fights. The only true homage imo was when he had Vegeta pretend he was going to kill Cabba.

[The gr]

Anyone working on Dragon Ball now should ban themselves from having any throwbacks.

I just find it weird that they don't want to make anything new that would be remembered.

They are introducing new concept and you are kinda exagerating with the whole ban

[sintzu]

Anyone working on Dragon Ball now should ban themselves from having any throwbacks.

I just find it weird that they don't want to make anything new that would be remembered.

Modern DB as a whole is full of throwbacks, weather it's small things like fighting moves or outright plot points like a female Broly. they do them because they're safe and know people like and recognize them.

[LightBing]

Both the manga and the anime suffer from lack of inspiration and/or fear to try new things. I'm betting on fear of trying new things, coupled with pressure to repeat the successful formula.

It's one of the main things holding back Super, I'm glad Mr.Toriyama is pushing Toyotarõ and hopefully the anime staff to try new things.

[HeroR]

Both the manga and the anime suffer from lack of inspiration and/or fear to try new things. I'm betting on fear of trying new things, coupled with pressure to repeat the successful formula.

It's one of the main things holding back Super, I'm glad Mr.Toriyama is pushing Toyotarõ and hopefully the anime staff to try new things.

Both the manga and anime do new things. Just with the newer characters and not the older cast.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Both the manga and anime do new things. Just with the newer characters and not the older cast.

That's the bad thing in Dragon Ball.
They create a lot of characters full of potential only for their own sagas and then they either get killed or turn into a good guy and go to the bench a few seasons later. Hope Toei doesn't repeat this with the Universe 6 characters. I'm sure Toyotaro will though, the manga has been pretty rushed.

[The gr]

Both the manga and anime do new things. Just with the newer characters and not the older cast.

That's the bad thing in Dragon Ball.
They create a lot of characters full of potential only for their own sagas and then they either get killed or turn into a good guy and go to the bench a few seasons later. Hope Toei doesn't repeat this with the Universe 6 characters. I'm sure Toyotaro will though, the manga has been pretty rushed.

What does rush have to shafting character and the manga stop doing that a long time ago,they use hit and u6 in the Top and by looking at the threatment of kale and caulifla,they won't be shafted

[LightBing]

Both the manga and the anime suffer from lack of inspiration and/or fear to try new things. I'm betting on fear of trying new things, coupled with pressure to repeat the successful formula.

It's one of the main things holding back Super, I'm glad Mr.Toriyama is pushing Toyotarõ and hopefully the anime staff to try new things.

Both the manga and anime do new things. Just with the newer characters and not the older cast.

They do new things sometimes not necessarily because of old or new characters; with Cabba they repeated his plot point of the U6 Arc.
I'm talking about not repeating ideas from the original material, like Frost having the same poses as Freeza, "shocking" people with Goku losing while using Kaioken x20", bringing back the Kaioken, bringing back Vegetto, etc...

Both mediums are full of this. The manga more with copying poses and fight sections, the anime more with plot points.

[HeroR]

Both the manga and the anime suffer from lack of inspiration and/or fear to try new things. I'm betting on fear of trying new things, coupled with pressure to repeat the successful formula.

It's one of the main things holding back Super, I'm glad Mr.Toriyama is pushing Toyotarõ and hopefully the anime staff to try new things.

Both the manga and anime do new things. Just with the newer characters and not the older cast.

They do new things sometimes not necessarily because of old or new characters; with Cabba they repeated his plot point of the U6 Arc.
I'm talking about not repeating ideas from the original material, like Frost having the same poses as Freeza, "shocking" people with Goku losing while using Kaioken x20", bringing back the Kaioken, bringing back Vegetto, etc...

Both mediums are full of this. The manga more with copying poses and fight sections, the anime more with plot points.

Not really since Cabba even before talking to Vegeta again was much more sure of himself.

Why is people being shocked the Kaioken failed be a ‘repeat’. Are you saying that shouldn’t be shock? The Kaioken itself isn’t even a repeat because Goku is using it in a way that was impossible before.

[OLKv3]

Both the manga and the anime suffer from lack of inspiration and/or fear to try new things. I'm betting on fear of trying new things, coupled with pressure to repeat the successful formula.

It's one of the main things holding back Super, I'm glad Mr.Toriyama is pushing Toyotarõ and hopefully the anime staff to try new things.

Both the manga and anime do new things. Just with the newer characters and not the older cast.

They reuse too many iconic moments for the older cast
Like the recent episode was just a redraw of Goku using SS3 in the Janemba movie. Both anime and manga rely way too much on older scenes/poses

[mfwlegend3]

Man, Black sounds even more pathetic in the outline than he does in Toyotaro's version. I have a feeling he would have been more generic too.

[LightBing]

Why is people being shocked the Kaioken failed be a ‘repeat’. Are you saying that shouldn’t be shock? The Kaioken itself isn’t even a repeat because Goku is using it in a way that was impossible before.

It's an exact copy of Goku using the Kaioken x20 against Freeza. Tenshinhan goes don't worry Goku still can go x20, Kaio says he's already using and everyone goes "oh no"! Like they didn't even bother to change it a bit. That's why I had shocked in parenthesis, it's like building up a mystery that you already solved.
Hell, the whole Jiren fight is similar to the fight against Freeza until Goku lost. Failed Genki-Dama, Goku being outmatched even with Kaioken and him getting a new transformation.

Bringing back the Kaioken is reusing old ideas, Mr.Toriyama didn't use it after SSJ was introduced. I argue that by itself should be a reason in-universe why the form couldn't be stacked with anything, no matter what the any makes up to justify it. To me it's just forcing it in because they want to use it, of course that's just my opinion.

Anyway this has turned into a anime discussion, wrong topic for it.

[Chuquita]

I do prefer Gokû and Vegeta working together rather than taking the shortcut of Vegetto (and now the potara's been retconned) but if I think of it in the vein of Toyotaro as an editor rather than the sole writer I can be more at peace with it

Vegetto is Gokuh and Vegeta working together

Yeah, but I mean as two people, not two parts of the same entity. Think that final battle against Kid Buu.

[HeroR]

It's an exact copy of Goku using the Kaioken x20 against Freeza. Tenshinhan goes don't worry Goku still can go x20, Kaio says he's already using and everyone goes "oh no"! Like they didn't even bother to change it a bit. That's why I had shocked in parenthesis, it's like building up a mystery that you already solved.
Hell, the whole Jiren fight is similar to the fight against Freeza until Goku lost. Failed Genki-Dama, Goku being outmatched even with Kaioken and him getting a new transformation.

Bringing back the Kaioken is reusing old ideas, Mr.Toriyama didn't use it after SSJ was introduced. I argue that by itself should be a reason in-universe why the form couldn't be stacked with anything, no matter what the any makes up to justify it. To me it's just forcing it in because they want to use it, of course that's just my opinion.

Anyway this has turned into a anime discussion, wrong topic for it.

That was a callback sure, but it isn't as big as you're making it.

Also, it really isn't outside the Kaioken and Spirit Bomb. Goku was a good match against Freeza until he went 50%, then he got stomped. With Jiren, Goku was outmatched from the ump. The Spirit Bomb failed to kill Freeza, but Freeza was overwhelmed by it and he thought he would die. Jiren pushed the entire thing back with ease and nearly killed Goku with it.

[Ilikepictures-meh]

Was this posted already?

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I don't think so. I like how it calls out the potara's time limit, it's the little things like this that make the manga so good.

You're ridiculous. It doesn't "call out" the potara time limit lad. It's just an attempt at an explanation for why we didn't know about the time limit until now. Be for real

[Chuquita]

Zamasu had a pet pig?! With wings?! How "When pigs fly!".

[nato25]

Ahh so they're kind of retconning the 4 kais as being students of the Grand Supreme Kai now? That's cool I like that idea and a great way to try and explain why there was four of them. (On second thought did the Manga even have the 4 Supereme Kais or was that only the anime?)

[nato25]

Zamasu had a pet pig?! With wings?! How "When pigs fly!".

That's cool when you think of it, just like how King Kai has Bubbles his pet monkey, so every Kai has there own little pet. Sometimes these extra pages are my absolute favourite thing from the manga.

[HeroR]

Ahh so they're kind of retconning the 4 kais as being students of the Grand Supreme Kai now? That's cool I like that idea and a great way to try and explain why there was four of them. (On second thought did the Manga even have the 4 Supereme Kais or was that only the anime?)

That was in the manga. Four Supreme Kais