"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Crt]

https://imgur.com/a/zsoX9

For the page gag content that's in between each chapter in the volume.

[batistabus]

I don't always agree with the dub actors when they comment on characters or the series, but I think Sabat was spot-on when he said that he expected that Goku and Vegeta would forgo fusion and work together to fight instead. That's what seemed to be foreshadowed in RoF, and that's what it seems like Toriyama intended for here. I assume that the "expectations" for Vegetto were created by the anime, and I understand why that would make Toyo want to include him. All things considered, the moment where Vegeta suggests merging made that moment as good as it could have been in terms of character growth. Still, I would have loved to see a 2 v 1 battle where the Saiyans need to cooperate and fight creatively in order to win. I guess we'll see that in the Tournament of Power, anyway.

Toyotaro, don't do things just because you expect that it will please the fans. Screw the fans! The only people you should be concerned with pleasing are Toriyama and yourself. I assure you, the product will end up better overall.

[Sandubadear]

Ahh so they're kind of retconning the 4 kais as being students of the Grand Supreme Kai now? That's cool I like that idea and a great way to try and explain why there was four of them. (On second thought did the Manga even have the 4 Supereme Kais or was that only the anime?)

This has been my headcanon for like a year already, nice that I was right lol

[Grimlock]

So Vegetto was 100% fan-service thrown in by Toyotaro and Toei just followed suit because... why not?

You got that just now? Pretty sure people was saying this since the moment they learned that Goku and Vegeta would fuse, as I was one of those people.

The only thing in favor for Vegetto in Dragon Ball Super is the Final Kamehameha technique. But it still cannot save him from being completely useless that just appeared because fan service. When you could have Gogeta for better philosophy and for much less convenience.

[HeroR]

So Vegetto was 100% fan-service thrown in by Toyotaro and Toei just followed suit because... why not?

You got that just now? Pretty sure people was saying this since the moment they learned that Goku and Vegeta would fuse, as I was one of those people.

The only thing in favor for Vegetto in Dragon Ball Super is the Final Kamehameha technique. But it still cannot save him from being completely useless that just appeared because fan service. When you could have Gogeta for better philosophy and for much less convenience.

Except Vegetto in the anime actually weakened Merged Zamasu.

And I am not seeing how Gogeta is 'better philosophy'. The fact is, you're never going to get Vegeta to do the Fusion Dance in Toriyama's work.

[The gr]

https://imgur.com/a/zsoX9

For the page gag content that's in between each chapter in the volume.

So they are only 3 gag pages,how many chapters are included in volume 4

[Sandubadear]

The fact is, you're never going to get Vegeta to do the Fusion Dance in Toriyama's work.

Iirc originally in the manga, Goku and Vegeta were going to fuse with the dance, but since Toei jumped the shark and made the Fusion Reborn movie before he got to that part, Tori wanted to make something different and created the Potara fusion.

[HeroR]

Herms translated the entire interview:

https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/9255 ... 69/photo/1

The fact is, you're never going to get Vegeta to do the Fusion Dance in Toriyama's work.

Iirc originally in the manga, Goku and Vegeta were going to fuse with the dance, but since Toei jumped the shark and made the Fusion Reborn movie before he got to that part, Tori wanted to make something different and created the Potara fusion.

I don't think Jump the Shark is the right term here.

[Hawk9211]

At least toyotaro is improving and it is being showed in latest chapter.

[Totamo]

So Vegetto was 100% fan-service thrown in by Toyotaro and Toei just followed suit because... why not?

You got that just now? Pretty sure people was saying this since the moment they learned that Goku and Vegeta would fuse, as I was one of those people.

The only thing in favor for Vegetto in Dragon Ball Super is the Final Kamehameha technique. But it still cannot save him from being completely useless that just appeared because fan service. When you could have Gogeta for better philosophy and for much less convenience.

Except Vegetto in the anime actually weakened Merged Zamasu.

And I am not seeing how Gogeta is 'better philosophy'. The fact is, you're never going to get Vegeta to do the Fusion Dance in Toriyama's work.

That was never stated.

[OLKv3]

You got that just now? Pretty sure people was saying this since the moment they learned that Goku and Vegeta would fuse, as I was one of those people.

The only thing in favor for Vegetto in Dragon Ball Super is the Final Kamehameha technique. But it still cannot save him from being completely useless that just appeared because fan service. When you could have Gogeta for better philosophy and for much less convenience.

Except Vegetto in the anime actually weakened Merged Zamasu.

And I am not seeing how Gogeta is 'better philosophy'. The fact is, you're never going to get Vegeta to do the Fusion Dance in Toriyama's work.

That was never stated.

Yeah, that's pure headcanon that's treated as fact for some reason

[Totamo]

Question: If the potara time limit was meant to be a thing but vegetto wasn't, how would we have known that rule because merged zamasu was a kaioshin thats why he didn't defuse.

[Crt]

https://imgur.com/a/zsoX9

For the page gag content that's in between each chapter in the volume.

So they are only 3 gag pages,how many chapters are included in volume 4

Only 3 leaked so far, I'll update that post as more come out.

[HeroR]

Except Vegetto in the anime actually weakened Merged Zamasu.

And I am not seeing how Gogeta is 'better philosophy'. The fact is, you're never going to get Vegeta to do the Fusion Dance in Toriyama's work.

That was never stated.

Yeah, that's pure headcanon that's treated as fact for some reason

It was more or less stated by Gowasu who noted that Merged Zamasu was falling apart for several reasons.

[Kanassa]

Question: If the potara time limit was meant to be a thing but vegetto wasn't, how would we have known that rule because merged zamasu was a kaioshin thats why he didn't defuse.

Maybe fusion would have been suggested, explained, but then the earrings get destroyed or something. Or maybe it would go down the route of Zamasu not technically counting as a Supreme Kai.

[IM21]

So they are only 3 gag pages,how many chapters are included in volume 4

4 chapters. 21-24

[sintzu]

You're ridiculous. It doesn't "call out" the potara time limit lad. It's just an attempt at an explanation for why we didn't know about the time limit until now. Be for real

I don't mean it in a way of attacking it but rather pocking fun at it.

Screw the fans! The only people you should be concerned with pleasing are Toriyama and yourself. I assure you, the product will end up better overall.

This would be true in most cases but here it would've resulted in a very weak Black and Zamasu which most likely wouldn't have ended up good.

[Meshack]

Ahh so they're kind of retconning the 4 kais as being students of the Grand Supreme Kai now? That's cool I like that idea and a great way to try and explain why there was four of them. (On second thought did the Manga even have the 4 Supereme Kais or was that only the anime?)

That’s not retconning. Daikaiohshin is above the Kaiohshin of cardinal directions.

[Meshack]

Question: If the potara time limit was meant to be a thing but vegetto wasn't, how would we have known that rule because merged zamasu was a kaioshin thats why he didn't defuse.

He wasn’t a Kaiohshin. Gowasu explained he was never officially promoted to be a Kaiohshin.

[Meshack]

The fact is, you're never going to get Vegeta to do the Fusion Dance in Toriyama's work.

Iirc originally in the manga, Goku and Vegeta were going to fuse with the dance, but since Toei jumped the shark and made the Fusion Reborn movie before he got to that part, Tori wanted to make something different and created the Potara fusion.

Yeah. Because Revival Fusion used Fusion with Gokuh and Vegeta, Toriyama didn’t want to do the same thing. It’s the same situation as Super Saiyan