The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Lord Beerus]

Android Arc Humans vs Freeza's Forces on Namek plus Abo and Cado - Freeza and Saiyan/Human hybrids are excluded

ROF has already provided the outcome for that fight. The Earthlings decimate Freeza's army and Abo and Cado.

[LightBing]

Android Arc Humans vs Freeza's Forces on Namek plus Abo and Cado - Freeza and Saiyan/Human hybrids are excluded

ROF has already provided the outcome for that fight. The Earthlings decimate Freeza's army and Abo and Cado.

I know they fight fodder soldiers, but that's it. I don't think they fought nobody above Dodoria in it.(Didn't saw movie)

[Doctor.]

If Abo and Cado can fuse into Aka, then the Earthlings lose.

[LightBing]

Abo and Cado would be at their hypothetical Namek saga power level, so Ginyu special forces tier. I also believe that they at the time could fuse into Aka. But that's my personal opinion.

[ZombieVito]

Android Arc Humans vs Freeza's Forces on Namek plus Abo and Cado - Freeza and Saiyan/Human hybrids are excluded

The only human that can stand up to Abo and Cado is Krillin and he still loses. The humans get killed.

[supercat]

It's not explicitly stated, I'm just saying, with the shown chain of

Base Goku (M2) >~ General Rild >>> Super Mega Cannon Sigma >>> Neji > Veise >> Nutt ~ Luud (Level 3) >> SS Goku (BoGT)

and that the gap between SS2 and SS3 is about 3x to 4.5x in GT, and Super Mega Cannon Sigma already being multi-fold Luud, it's very possible SS3 BoGT Goku is surpassed by someone earlier than Goku or Rild in that chain.

I never really considered defeating Luud a major feat. I can't recall any indication of Luud even being above Super Perfect Cell tier. Along with Super Mega Cannon Sigma, Luud is likely miles below Kid Buu. The way I see it, with the exclusion of Rild and Base Goku (M2), none of the fighters you mentioned are going to be anywhere near SSJ3 Goku (Buu arc). While I could see SSJ Goku (BoGT) closing in on that level of power, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he was still a decent amount below that.

In fact, the only reason why I even place Base Goku (M2) so high is because he was able to rival an opponent who was stated to be above some form of Majin Buu.

Android Arc Humans vs Freeza's Forces on Namek plus Abo and Cado - Freeza and Saiyan/Human hybrids are excluded

Although likely a bit weaker, Abo and Cado seemed to be more or less on par with Base Goten and Trunks (post Buu arc). I don't see any of the humans even coming close to that realm of power.

Therefore, the humans would likely crush all of Frieza's forces with relative ease, until they have to deal with Abo and Cado.

I have one:

Filler King Kai - Gauntlet

Dodoria
Zarbon - normal
Zarbon - transformed
Recoome
Burter
Jeice
Captain Ginyu

It was stated that King Kai was weaker than Nappa and Vegeta. However, in the filler episode where the Ginyu Force faces off against the Z-Fighters on King Kai's planet, there was a brief scene where King Kai was seen casually dodging (without even looking) some of the repercussions of the fight. While this seems extremely implausible, from a filler standpoint, how far does King Kai get?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I never really considered defeating Luud a major feat. I can't recall any indication of Luud even being above Super Perfect Cell tier.

He's implied to be above SS Goku at the time, since there's much more hype around his power than there is Goku's. We know he's at least well above Base Goku since even at Level 2 he tanked Goku's KHH straight to the face.

Along with Super Mega Cannon Sigma, Luud is likely miles below Kid Buu. The way I see it, with the exclusion of Rild and Base Goku (M2), none of the fighters you mentioned are going to be anywhere near SSJ3 Goku (Buu arc). While I could see SSJ Goku (BoGT) closing in on that level of power, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he was still a decent amount below that.

All of the individual members of the Mega Cannon Sigma are above the Super Saiyan Goku that fought Ledgic and Luud. Gill gave his data of Goku fighting those two, and the MCS were still confident in taking Goku on. Dr. Mu aslo sensed SS Goku and Trunks @ Luud, and still ordered Rild to send the MCS to fight Goku and Trunks.

Base Goku and Uub at the Beginning of GT should at least be on par with Pure Buu (IMO).

End of Z:

Goku: "Hey, Oob. Once your training is complete, we'll have a match again, properly this time! [ ] To tell the truth, this is my number one objective."

Beginning of GT:

Context: After Goku and Oob finish their fight
Dende: “Then, that's it for Oob-san's graduation ceremony?”
Goku: “This wasn't a graduation ceremony or anything as extravagant as that. I just wanted to fight all out against Oob for once.”

Base Goku and Uub at the BoGT have an all out fight, and Dende thinks their training is complete.

IMO, it doesn't make much sense for Goku spend 10 years training just for Uub, and then have 5 years just to properly train Uub (so 15 years total), and have Uub end being much weaker than he was expecting him to be. I don't see Goku settling for anything less for Pure Buu level for Uub.

So, IMO:

Neji > Veise >> Nutt > SS Goku (BoGT) > Base Goku (BoGT) ~ Uub ~/> Pure Buu

[Lord Beerus]

Filler King Kai - Gauntlet

Dodoria
Zarbon - normal
Zarbon - transformed
Recoome
Burter
Jeice
Captain Ginyu

It was stated that King Kai was weaker than Nappa and Vegeta. However, in the filler episode where the Ginyu Force faces off against the Z-Fighters on King Kai's planet, there was a brief scene where King Kai was seen casually dodging (without even looking) some of the repercussions of the fight. While this seems extremely implausible, from a filler standpoint, how far does King Kai get?

Filer King Kai clears the list.

[supercat]

I guess the amount of hype around Luud's power could be viewed from a subjective standpoint.

I'll acknowledge that Luud tanking the Kamehameha was definitely an impressive feat. However, I saw this as nothing more than a mere luxury granted by his brilliantly built durability. I sort of compare this to how 19, 20, and Super 17 are able to tank blasts that are probably capable of finishing them off, only because of the energy absorption capabilities they are equipped with. If technology in DBZ / DBGT is able to yield creations that are stronger than an evil space tyrant, tanking a powerful blast through the gift of technological durability doesn't seem too far-fetched.

Goku didn't even seem to be exerting that much power during his fight with Luud. He likely wasn't taking the fight too seriously, as he would have turned SSJ2 / SSJ3 if he felt there was serious danger. Therefore, the data likely doesn't contain information about Goku's true extent of power, or anything even remotely close to it. We've seen characters eat their words after basing things strictly off of data in the past. This may very well have been a reference to Gero's overconfidence in securing victory based off of mere data.

Goku's goal with Uub was probably to get in a good fight overall. Even being able to encounter another Super Perfect Cell tier fighter as a sparring partner would likely be exciting to him at that point. How many other fighters during that time are even anything close to that level of power? In addition, it seems very plausible that he envisioned Uub getting even stronger over the years.

Perhaps Uub (BoGT) was Kid Buu tier, but considering how Goku was in base form during their match on the lookout, I feel there's still a good chance that the young fighter was weaker than his villainous former self at that point.

I agree with some of your other speculations on GT power, like GT Piccolo > Buuhan. However, it's just harder to justify some of these implied power increases prior to the Baby arc.

Another hypothetical battle:

Olibu vs Final Form Frieza 100% (On Namek)

[fadeddreams5]

Pikkon vs MSSJ Gohan

Pikkon vs 5 Cell Juniors

Pikkon vs. Dabura

Pikkon vs Bojack and crew

Pikkon vs Super Perfect Cell (on-guard)

Dabura vs Bojack and crew

[supercat]

Paikuhan vs MSSJ Gohan

Paikuhan vs 5 Cell Juniors

Paikuhan vs. Dabura

Paikuhan vs Bojack and crew

Paikuhan vs Super Perfect Cell (on-guard)

Dabura vs Bojack and crew

Paikuhan likely crushes all 5 of them with relative ease.

Dabura likely stomps, unless Paikuhan successfully pulls off his Burning Shoot.

Paikuhan likely trashes Bojack's crew, but unless he uses his Burning Shoot attack, he may lose to Bojack after a decent fight. With that said, I could see this one being very close and could possibly go either way.

I could see Paikuhan landing a few really good hits, but he probably wouldn't stand much of a chance, unless the Burning Shoot attack comes to his rescue again.

Dabura likely one-shots each of Bojack's lackeys. He would then proceed to have a good fight with the leader himself, and would probably come out on top.

Another hypothetical battle:

Grand Kai (Other World Tournament) vs all members of the Ginyu Force (no body swapping and/or time freezing)

[Lord Beerus]

Paikuhan vs MSSJ Gohan

Paikuhan vs 5 Cell Juniors

Paikuhan vs. Dabura

Paikuhan vs Bojack and crew

Paikuhan vs Super Perfect Cell (on-guard)

Dabura vs Bojack and crew

- Pikkon stomps Gohan
- Pikkon one shots all of the Cell Jrs.
- Dabura spits on Pikkon and turns him into stone
- Pikkon crushes Bojack and his crew
- A filler episode all ready did the fight. The outcome would be the same; Pikkon makes quick work of SPC.
- Dabra wrecks all of the Galaxy Soldiers

Grand Kai (Other World Tournament) vs all members of the Ginyu Force (no body swapping and/or time freezing)

Grand Kai stomps all of the Ginyu Force

[supercat]

Forgot to answer Paikuhan vs MSSJ Gohan.

Anyway, Paikuhan would be able to take down the young Saiyan with ease.

Also, I didn't really specify whether or not Paikuhan was wearing weighted clothing or not.

Without weights and at full power, in addition to easy access to his Burning Shoot attack, Paikuhan likely clears the entire list with ease.

Even without Burning Shoot, I have the Other World Tournament runner-up without weights pretty close to SSJ2 tier.

Strategically knocking Paikuhan out of the ring was likely what brought Goku the win. I always felt that Goku was lagging behind the entire fight, and had the fight not been restricted to a ring, the Saiyan would likely have lost really badly. Additionally, I felt that it was due to the durability of his dead body that enabled him to tank a lot of Paikuhan's attacks. Had they both been alive, the Thunder Flash Attack may have been able to one-shot Goku.



Another hypothetical battle:

Paikuhan (without weights, constantly tapped into Burning Shoot, and with the durability of his other world body) - Gauntlet

SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games) - Enraged
SSJ2 Gohan - Post Z-Sword
Majin Vegeta
SSJ2 Goku (Buu arc)
Mr. Buu
Majin Buu (vs Majin Vegeta)
SSJ3 Goku
Kid Buu

[Lord Beerus]

Paikuhan (without weights, constantly tapped into Burning Shoot, and with the durability of his other world body) - Gauntlet

SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games) - Enraged
SSJ2 Gohan - Post Z-Sword
Majin Vegeta
SSJ2 Goku (Buu arc)
Mr. Buu
Majin Buu (vs Majin Vegeta)
SSJ3 Goku
Kid Buu

Pikkon hits a brick wall against Majin Vegeta.

[supercat]

Gregory and Bubbles vs Krillin (22nd Budokai)

[Lord Beerus]

Gregory and Bubbles vs Krillin (22nd Budokai)

Daizenshuu 3 states that Gregory has considerable power and flies at incredible speeds and attacks while glowing like a firefly. In addition, the movie pamphlet for Dragon Ball Z: The Tree of Might states that Gregory has a BP of 1,100 and Bubble has a BP of 1,000 and considering that can handle x10 the gravity of Earth, their BP are arguably higher that what the pamphlet stated.

Long story, short... Gregory and Bubbles kick Krillin's ass.

[supercat]

Gregory and Bubbles vs Krillin (22nd Budokai)

Daizenshuu 3 states that Gregory has considerable power and flies at incredible speeds and attacks while glowing like a firefly. In addition, the movie pamphlet for Dragon Ball Z: The Tree of Might states that Gregory has a BP of 1,100 and Bubble has a BP of 1,000 and considering that can handle x10 the gravity of Earth, their BP are arguably higher that what the pamphlet stated.

Long story, short... Gregory and Bubbles kick Krillin's ass.

Yes, I could definitely see them physically overwhelming Krillin with sheer strength and speed. Let's make it a bit more fair..

Bubbles vs Goku and Piccolo (Beginning of Z) - No Makankosappo

King Kai's pet may have a higher battle power than the duo at that point in time, but could he tank their powerful ki blasts and overcome their collaborative efforts?

[Lord Beerus]

Bubbles vs Goku and Piccolo (Beginning of Z) - No Makankosappo

King Kai's pet may have a higher battle power than the duo at that point in time, but could he tank their powerful ki blasts and overcome their collaborative efforts?

Bubbles is stronger than the pair of them, that's for sure. But Bubbles doesn't have any genuine offensive techniques to really do any real serious damage against Goku or Piccolo. So I'm gonna give it to the Saiyan/Namekian pair.

[supercat]

Piccolo (post King Kai training) vs Nail

[fadeddreams5]

Gregory and Bubbles vs Krillin (22nd Budokai)

Daizenshuu 3 states that Gregory has considerable power and flies at incredible speeds and attacks while glowing like a firefly. In addition, the movie pamphlet for Dragon Ball Z: The Tree of Might states that Gregory has a BP of 1,100 and Bubble has a BP of 1,000 and considering that can handle x10 the gravity of Earth, their BP are arguably higher that what the pamphlet stated.

Long story, short... Gregory and Bubbles kick Krillin's ass.

Yes, I could definitely see them physically overwhelming Krillin with sheer strength and speed. Let's make it a bit more fair..

Bubbles vs Goku and Piccolo (Beginning of Z) - No Makankosappo

King Kai's pet may have a higher battle power than the duo at that point in time, but could he tank their powerful ki blasts and overcome their collaborative efforts?

It'll be like USSJ Trunks vs Perfect Cell. Neither Piccolo or Goku can handle 10x gravity at this point, and would not be able to catch Bubbles on King Kai's planet. Imagine on Earth. Bubbles won't need to hurt them since they will just exhaust themselves.

Piccolo (post King Kai training) vs Nail

Nail wins. I don't see Piccolo being multiple times stronger than Goku (saiyan saga). Nail actually is since his PL is 42,000.