"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Totamo]

You're ridiculous. It doesn't "call out" the potara time limit lad. It's just an attempt at an explanation for why we didn't know about the time limit until now. Be for real

I don't mean it in a way of attacking it but rather pocking fun at it.

Screw the fans! The only people you should be concerned with pleasing are Toriyama and yourself. I assure you, the product will end up better overall.

This would be true in most cases but here it would've resulted in a very weak Black and Zamasu which most likely wouldn't have ended up good.

Yes because the results we got were pleasing.

[Duo]

I would love to live in a world where all the "I hate Toyotaro because I can't comprehend competing versions" comments were shoved aside into a single thread. Sadly, we do not live in a world where that is possible. Also, almost every post including the word "homage" has generally contributed to a river of horseshit. At least try to lay out a worthwhile critique if you're gonna run your mouth about it. It's about as original as stating that The Force Awakens references the first Star Wars (A New Hope), only with 1/5th the examples. To be crass, NO SHIT DETECTIVE!

[emperior]

So it's possible Merged Zamasu was supposed to defuse in the outline... Shame, it would have been cool if it happened in the anime too.

As for Toyotaro, I hope Toriyama will help him more by giving more advices and corrections. He's definitely improving a lot lately, but he's still below Toei's best writers and storyboarders in my opinion.

[nato25]

Ahh so they're kind of retconning the 4 kais as being students of the Grand Supreme Kai now? That's cool I like that idea and a great way to try and explain why there was four of them. (On second thought did the Manga even have the 4 Supereme Kais or was that only the anime?)

That’s not retconning. Daikaiohshin is above the Kaiohshin of cardinal directions.

Well super seems to have made it so only one supreme kai exist in the universe. It also made that 27 planets comment (unfortunately) which means its riduclous to have 4 directional suprene kai all with their own directional kais of north kais level.

If daikaioshin was the supreme kai it makes sense he had four pupils (plus shin) training to succeed him. In a way its just like gowasu taking on zamasu when he was the north kai.

[MisteryOne]

So it's possible Merged Zamasu was supposed to defuse in the outline... Shame, it would have been cool if it happened in the anime too.

As for Toyotaro, I hope Toriyama will help him more by giving more advices and corrections. He's definitely improving a lot lately, but he's still below Toei's best writers and storyboarders in my opinion.

It was definetly in the outline, just like Goku and Vegeta taking turns to fight Merged Zamasu. Both things happened in the manga but not in the anime. And apparently Goku SSB vs Merged alone was also a thing (it happened in the anime as well, but it was terribly writing). So yeah, Toyotaro definetly follows the outline closer, for better or worse (I honestly disliked both things so for worse on this case, but this definetly shows which media is closer to Toriyama's way of thinking, at least in this arc. And people still believe the manga is just a promotion for the anime )

[JazzMazz]

The punch your referring to shows Goku attacking at the end of Hits time-skip.

Its never stated anything about it being interrupted, its only stated to be out-manoeuvred.

Your first point also doesn't make sense since Goku was blocking Hits attacks in his base form. Are you going to argue that his base form shortens Hit's time-skip because he tried punching Goku but it was blocked?

Again, extraporlating something from the show that isn't shown or said just to prove your own head-canon.

It's not head cannon. Base Goku only blocking Hit after that time skip proves that it was fully freezing Goku for the full 0.1 seconds. Showing that he was weaker than Hit.
Base Goku couldn't move during the skip. Base Goku could only block "AFTER" Time skip's 0.1 seconds. Allowing Hit to attack without interruption.
In Blue, Goku is shown ONLY being grazed by Hit's punch after the skip. Which shows that Goku was moving BEFORE Hit reached him in 0.1 seconds. Proving that Goku was stronger.
The manga and anime are demonstrating the same. Anime only showed it by visuals not in depth like the manga.

The thing is though, it isn't demonstrating that, in fact, it isn't even implied. Your evidence is paper thin and completely insubstantial. Hits time-skip works on Goku in the anime for 0.1 seconds, however, since Goku is predicting his movements to counter Hit had to improve his time skip to 0.2 seconds and on and on. Never in those sections of the fight was it even slightly implied, even visually, that Goku's power as an SSB was reducing Hits time-skip.

Thats just a head-canon you created to create a non-existent correlation between the two.

[Cetra]

And people still believe the manga is just a promotion for the anime )

Because it is. What people really should stop thinking is that "following the outline religiously" is the non-plus-ultra when both instances literally have the okay to do their own thing. Even Toyble does have the okay. The anime simply expands more on that which I think is good. I do not want everything shallow.

[Meshack]

I like what Toriyama does with the villains now. Golden Freeza had a stamina problem, Hit couldn’t use all of his attacks because of the rules, and Merged Zamasu had the Potara limit. Instead of just having the villains/antagonists incredibly strong, they have their limitations. I’m waiting to see what Jiren’s limitation is.

[Meshack]

And people still believe the manga is just a promotion for the anime )

Because it is. What people really should stop thinking is that "following the outline religiously" is the non-plus-ultra when both instances literally have the okay to do their own thing. Even Toyble does have the okay. The anime simply expands more on that which I think is good. I do not want everything shallow.

The manga is not promotional material. The manga is behind in release and follows a whole another story. Toyotarou is actually writing stuff and giving it to the ane staff and vise versa. So far, all of Toyotarou’s ideas are being implemented into the manga and anime but none of the anime’s ideas have been implemented into the manga.

[Cetra]

And people still believe the manga is just a promotion for the anime )

Because it is. What people really should stop thinking is that "following the outline religiously" is the non-plus-ultra when both instances literally have the okay to do their own thing. Even Toyble does have the okay. The anime simply expands more on that which I think is good. I do not want everything shallow.

The manga is not promotional material. The manga is behind in release and follows a whole another story. Toyotarou is actually writing stuff and giving it to the ane staff and vise versa. So far, all of Toyotarou’s ideas are being implemented into the manga and anime but none of the anime’s ideas have been implemented into the manga.

The manga is as much promotional material as it can be. It is all about marketing, bringing people to spend more money as well as watch the show which in the end is also beneficial for the franchise and you do not know if the anime has never influenced Toyble. If you seriously think the manga is the first thing people consider when thinking about Dragon Ball Super you should lean back for a moment because you need to reconsider that. Hell, even the original show is remembered by so many people mainly because of the anime itself and not the manga - and that is the really big deal.

[Meshack]

Because it is. What people really should stop thinking is that "following the outline religiously" is the non-plus-ultra when both instances literally have the okay to do their own thing. Even Toyble does have the okay. The anime simply expands more on that which I think is good. I do not want everything shallow.

The manga is not promotional material. The manga is behind in release and follows a whole another story. Toyotarou is actually writing stuff and giving it to the ane staff and vise versa. So far, all of Toyotarou’s ideas are being implemented into the manga and anime but none of the anime’s ideas have been implemented into the manga.

The manga is as much promotional material as it can be. It is all about marketing and you do not know if the anime has never influenced Toyble. If you seriously think the manga is the first thing people consider when thinking about Dragon Ball Super you should lean back for a moment because you need to reconsider that.

You need to reconsider on what the manga and anime are.

[Cetra]

The manga is not promotional material. The manga is behind in release and follows a whole another story. Toyotarou is actually writing stuff and giving it to the ane staff and vise versa. So far, all of Toyotarou’s ideas are being implemented into the manga and anime but none of the anime’s ideas have been implemented into the manga.

The manga is as much promotional material as it can be. It is all about marketing and you do not know if the anime has never influenced Toyble. If you seriously think the manga is the first thing people consider when thinking about Dragon Ball Super you should lean back for a moment because you need to reconsider that.

You need to reconsider on what the manga and anime is

What you say makes no sense. I know what a manga is and what an anime is, also in relation to Super. You better stop with this archetypical internet-behaviour. Dragon Ball Super is very different with its production in comparison to other manga/anime, it is a very special case. Toyble's creation is not the main product.

[Meshack]

The manga is as much promotional material as it can be. It is all about marketing and you do not know if the anime has never influenced Toyble. If you seriously think the manga is the first thing people consider when thinking about Dragon Ball Super you should lean back for a moment because you need to reconsider that.

You need to reconsider on what the manga and anime is

What you say makes no sense. I know what a manga is and what an anime is, also in relation to Super. You better stop with this archetypical internet-behaviour. Dragon Ball Super is very different with its production in comparison to other manga/anime, it is a very special case. Toyble's creation is not the main product.

Maybe there is no “main product.”

[Cetra]

You need to reconsider on what the manga and anime is

What you say makes no sense. I know what a manga is and what an anime is, also in relation to Super. You better stop with this archetypical internet-behaviour. Dragon Ball Super is very different with its production in comparison to other manga/anime, it is a very special case. Toyble's creation is not the main product.

Maybe there is no “main product.”

I could agree with this take on things if Super would not have such an incredible relevance as anime.

[HeroR]

What you say makes no sense. I know what a manga is and what an anime is, also in relation to Super. You better stop with this archetypical internet-behaviour. Dragon Ball Super is very different with its production in comparison to other manga/anime, it is a very special case. Toyble's creation is not the main product.

Maybe there is no “main product.”

I could agree with this take on things if Super would not have such an incredible relevance as anime.

Officially, the anime is the main produce while the manga is supplemental like how the Heroes manga was to the Heroes video game. Even if both have involvement from Toriyama, that is how things stand, especially since the manga is once a month in a magazine mostly known for marketing games and other anime. A lot of fans don't even know the manga exists.

[Cetra]

Maybe there is no “main product.”

I could agree with this take on things if Super would not have such an incredible relevance as anime.

Officially, the anime is the main produce while the manga is supplemental like how the Heroes manga was to the Heroes video game. Even if both have involvement from Toriyama, that is how things stand, especially since the manga is once a month in a magazine mostly known for marketing games and other anime. A lot of fans don't even know the manga exists.

I don't understand why you are telling me that? I am the one who said the anime is the main product.

[HeroR]

I could agree with this take on things if Super would not have such an incredible relevance as anime.

Officially, the anime is the main produce while the manga is supplemental like how the Heroes manga was to the Heroes video game. Even if both have involvement from Toriyama, that is how things stand, especially since the manga is once a month in a magazine mostly known for marketing games and other anime. A lot of fans don't even know the manga exists.

I don't understand why you are telling me that? I am the one who said the anime is the main product.

I was talking to both you and Meshack in a way of showing both points. Guess it didn't come off that way.

[Namz]

Well at least it's confirmed manga is the canon. Not only Toriyama supervises it, also Toei makes the anime based on manga.

[Cetra]

Well at least it's confirmed manga is the canon. Not only Toriyama supervises it, also Toei makes the anime based on manga.

That's not how it works and that's not what's confirmed. That is just your interpretation, an incomplete one with some twisting.

[sintzu]

And people still believe the manga is just a promotion for the anime )

Because it is.

That's how it started but with it getting more pages and Toriyama seemingly being more involved with it, it seems to have evolved into more of its own thing. The anime will always be the "main" product but the manga at this point is more than just promotion.

Well at least it's confirmed manga is the canon.

Apart form the orignal manga, everything else is just up to the fans at this point to decide what they take and leave.