The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[ZombieVito]

Chichi (23rd Budokai) vs. Drum, Cymbal, and Tambourine

Chichi's official BP is 130 and Drum manhandled Tenshinhan who sits at 180.

She gets murdered.

[supercat]

Anime Kid Buu vs Anime Buutenks
Anime Kid Buu vs Anime Buuhan
Anime Kid Buu vs Anime Ultimate Gohan

[Lord Beerus]

Anime Kid Buu vs Anime Buutenks
Anime Kid Buu vs Anime Buuhan
Anime Kid Buu vs Anime Ultimate Gohan

Kid Buu loses in all those match ups.

[supercat]

Anime Kid Buu vs Anime Buutenks
Anime Kid Buu vs Anime Buuhan
Anime Kid Buu vs Anime Ultimate Gohan

Kid Buu loses in all those match ups.

Well yes under normal circumstances. However, the anime seems to have insanely hyped him up.

[Lord Beerus]

Anime Kid Buu vs Anime Buutenks
Anime Kid Buu vs Anime Buuhan
Anime Kid Buu vs Anime Ultimate Gohan

Kid Buu loses in all those match ups.

Well yes under normal circumstances. However, the anime seemed to have insanely hyped him up.

The anime may have hyped him up, but Kid Buu was still placed below Buuhan, Ultimate Gohan and Buutenks, given how Kid Buu couldn't defeat SSJ3 Goku, and SSJ3 Goku was obviously portrayed below Buutenks, Buuhan and Ultimate Gohan.

[supercat]

The anime may have hyped him up, but Kid Buu was still placed Buuhan, Ultimate Gohan and Buutenks, given how Kid Buu couldn't defeat SSJ3 Goku, and SSJ3 Goku was obviously portrayed below Buutenks, Buuhan and Ultimate Gohan.

Yes, I never really knew what to make of Kid Buu's strength in the anime. There were seemingly clear indications throughout the series that his power was trivial compared to the likes of Buuhan / Buutenks, yet Goku mentions something about the vile menace being on a different level from his larger and stronger counterparts. I get that they were trying to hype him up as the final villain, but I was a bit thrown off by the lack of coherence. Base Vegeta then tanking hits and managing to avoid getting one-shotted by the chaotic little monster was pretty much the icing on the cake.

New Battles:

Mr. Popo vs Dodoria (equal power, unlimited stamina, no special abilities)
Mr. Popo vs King Kai (equal power, unlimited stamina, no special abilities)

[Lord Beerus]

Mr. Popo vs Dodoria (equal power, unlimited stamina, no special abilities)
Mr. Popo vs King Kai (equal power, unlimited stamina, no special abilities)

- Mr Popo is more proficient in martial arts, so he defeats Dodoria
- Popo swallows anything King Kai throws at him

[Noah]

I have a question: what was Krillin power level after Namek Arc, same about Tien... Someone knows?

[Lord Beerus]

I have a question: what was Krillin power level after Namek Arc, same about Tenshinhan... Someone knows?

Nobody really knows. I've always believed that Krillin and Tien's BP reached the millions by the time the Cell Games began. But that's just my assumption.

[Noah]

I have a question: what was Krillin power level after Namek Arc, same about Tenshinhan... Someone knows?

Nobody really knows. I've always believed that Krillin and Tenshinhan's BP reached the millions by the time the Cell Games began. But that's just my assumption.

I don't think they had reached millions, but that's is just my assumption either.


Anyway got some battles now:

SSJ4 Goku x Super SSJG Goku

SSJGSSJ Goku x SSJG Goku

SSJG Goku x Super Baby Vegeta

SSJG Goku x Omega Shenron

Beerus x Omega Shenron

SSJ4 Gogeta x Whis

[supercat]

With the ample amount of time that Krillin has had to improve, I imagine he's at the very least seen a marginal increase from the Frieza arc. Even if we assume he completely neglected his training upon starting a family, it still seems pretty plausible that he's had the privilege of seeing some degree of improvement during the 3 year training period for the androids.

I could see him hovering somewhere in the range of 200,000 - 400,000 on the very low end and around 2,500,000 - 3,500,000 on the exceptionally high end of the spectrum. My guess is somewhere in the middle of those ranges.

With all that said, between his lack of participation in regular training and his dwindling interest in fighting, I also wouldn't be surprised if he hit a plateau around that 75,000 range. However, given the fact that he's stronger than Tien, tells me he's likely well past 75,000 by the events of FnF. Tien seems like the type of fighter who dedicates his entire existence into training, so I would find it rather odd if he couldn't even reach 75,000.

I don't think they had reached millions, but that's is just my assumption either.


Anyway got some battles now:

SSJ4 Goku x Super SSJG Goku

SSJGSSJ Goku x SSJG Goku

SSJG Goku x Super Baby Vegeta

SSJG Goku x Omega Shenron

Beerus x Omega Shenron

SSJ4 Gogeta x Whis

-SSG Goku trashes his SSJ4 counterpart with the utmost ease.
-Hard to tell really, but my guess is SSGSS has more power than regular SSG. With Goku training after retaining a good portion of his SSG power, I'm inclined to believe that throwing in the SSJ transformation would only result in a stronger level of power.
-SSG Goku should be able to take down his possessed rival with the absence of excessive trouble.
-Omega Shenron is one of the few GT characters that I could see SSG / SSGSS Goku having somewhat of a hard time against.
-SSJ4 Gogeta should be able to take this without too much difficulty.

Another battle:
Pikkon and Olibu (Potara fusion) vs Kid Buu

[singsing]

Tenshinhan seems like the type of fighter who dedicates his entire existence into training, so I would find it rather odd if he couldn't even reach 75,000.

While I am one of those who would argue that the humans are in the millions, I wouldn't find it odd if they plateaued. After all, humans definitely aren't limitless potential type species.

[supercat]

Tenshinhan seems like the type of fighter who dedicates his entire existence into training, so I would find it rather odd if he couldn't even reach 75,000.

While I am one of those who would argue that the humans are in the millions, I wouldn't find it odd if they plateaued. After all, humans definitely aren't limitless potential type species.

That's certainly true, and we can attribute Krillin's power increases towards the Grand Elder unlocking his potential. However, I've always felt that while their physical bodies may reach limits in aspects such as durability and stamina, their growth in ki would help prevent them from stagnating.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

General Blue (no psychic powers) vs. Nam (21st)

[supercat]

General Blue (no psychic powers) vs. Nam (21st)

I would give it to General Blue just because of his ruthlessness and marginal advantage in power. However, Nam's proficiency in hand to hand combat may enable him to give the general an astoundingly good fight.


New battle:

Frieza vs Cooler (equal power, unlimited stamina for both)

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Freeza vs Cooler (equal power, unlimited stamina for both)

Freeza with a power and stamina disadvantage was keeping Goku on his feet. We've seen nothing impressive from Cooler, so I'm willing to give this to Freeza.

[supercat]

Freeza vs Cooler (equal power, unlimited stamina for both)

Freeza with a power and stamina disadvantage was keeping Goku on his feet. We've seen nothing impressive from Cooler, so I'm willing to give this to Freeza.

Well Cooler probably possesses a higher caliber of battle prowess in conjunction with more realistic expectations on the potential outcome of not taking a fight seriously. He always came off as the type of fighter who prioritizes the task of destroying his enemies, over wasting an excessive amount of time gloating over their torment.

Frieza, however, does seem far more aggressive, so I could definitely see that working in his favor.

More battles:
King Cold (against Trunks) vs Kibito
Final Form Frieza 25% vs Kibito
Yakon vs Kibito

[Lord Beerus]

King Cold (against Trunks) vs Kibito
Final Form Freeza 25% vs Kibito
Yakon vs Kibito

Kibito loses in all those matchups. Kibito has zero feats under his belt, so I don't really know how to gauge his strength, and going by the virtue, I don't know how he would win any of those matchups.

[supercat]

Base Kogu vs Yakon
Base Future Trunks (post RoSaT x 2) vs Yakon
Yakon vs Final Form Frieza 25%

[fadeddreams5]

General Blue (no psychic powers) vs. Nam (21st)

I would give it to General Blue just because of his ruthlessness and marginal advantage in power. However, Nam's proficiency in hand to hand combat may enable him to give the general an astoundingly good fight.


New battle:

Freeza vs Cooler (equal power, unlimited stamina for both)

Cooler easily wins. Compared to Frieza, he's patient, methodical, and competent. Given how he obtained his 5th form, you can deduce that he trains. Frieza has a low battle IQ due to his lack of training, and he's proven time and again how compulsive and impatient he is.