The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Doctor.]

The Daizenshuu said he was a SS2 though. It really wouldn't make sense for him not to be SS2 after the world tournament when he has shown he can turn SS2 at will.

[Kamiccolo9]

The Daizenshuu said he was a SS2 though. It really wouldn't make sense for him not to be SS2 after the world tournament when he has shown he can turn SS2 at will.

One of the two Daizenshuu that concerns itself with this moment said he was a Super Saiyan 2. The other did not.

[Doctor.]

Either way, I really do not want to talk about this topic again, I deleted that last part of my post for a reason. It's one of those topics that never reach a consensus.

[supercat]

Even if Gohan nonchalantly started off as SSJ, I would say the moment he feels overwhelmed, he would likely tap into the full extent of his SSJ2 abilities. It doesn't really make sense for him to showcase that kind of power at the World Martial Arts Tournament, but refrain from using it against an actual threat who could potentially lead to the revival of an even greater hazard.

Goku was explicit when he mentioned Dabura was stronger than he had initially thought. Considering how this statement came chronologically after the Saiyan compared Dabura to Cell, we could assume the demon king was at the very least stronger than regular Perfect Cell.

Therefore, on the lower end of the spectrum we have the following:
Super Perfect Cell > Dabura > Perfect Cell

On the slightly higher end of that scale:
Dabura > Super Perfect Cell > Perfect Cell

I'm personally inclined to believe it's either the second one, or somewhere in the middle with Dabura's power exactly on par with Super Perfect Cell.

[fadeddreams5]

Could Goku sense Super Perfect Cell's power from the Other World? Like, when he compared Dabura to Cell, is he comparing him to Perfect Cell when he fought him, or Super Perfect Cell?

Either way, I imagine Majin Dabura is stronger after reading the following:
Chapter: 455 (DBZ 261), P6.1-2
Context: as Dabra fights Gohan
Goku: “Magic, huh? He’s way stronger than I thought, ain’t he?”

Majin (Super) Perfect Cell would whup that booty though.

The Daizenshuu said he was a SS2 though. It really wouldn't make sense for him not to be SS2 after the world tournament when he has shown he can turn SS2 at will.

I agree that it wouldn't make sense.

But... you know, a lot of things don't make sense in regards to Gohan. My favorite topic. =D

[ZombieVito]

Dabra vs. CG FPSS Goku

Dabura finger flicks Goku.

[supercat]

Vegeta (BoG rage boost) vs First Form Frieza (FnF)
Vegeta (BoG rage boost) vs Final Form Frieza (FnF)

[fadeddreams5]

SWORD CLASH!

Future Trunks w/ sword vs Dabura w/ sword (equal power; unlimited stamina; no spitting allowed)

Future Trunks w sword vs Janemba w/ sword (equal power; unlimited stamina)

Dabura w/ sword vs Janemba w/ sword (equal power; unlimited stamina; no spitting)

Future Trunks w/ sword (vs Frieza) vs. Kid Trunks w/ sword (Hirudegarn movie)

[ZombieVito]

Vegeta (BoG rage boost) vs First Form Freeza (FnF)
Vegeta (BoG rage boost) vs Final Form Freeza (FnF)

Vegeta beats First Form Freeza with ease.
Freeza in his Final Form complete wrecks him.

[AvatarReiko]

Base Goten(Post-ROSAT) vs SSJ Future Gohan

[supercat]

SWORD CLASH!

Future Trunks w/ sword vs Dabura w/ sword (equal power; unlimited stamina; no spitting allowed)

Future Trunks w sword vs Janemba w/ sword (equal power; unlimited stamina)

Dabura w/ sword vs Janemba w/ sword (equal power; unlimited stamina; no spitting)

Future Trunks w/ sword (vs Freeza) vs. Kid Trunks w/ sword (Hirudegarn movie)

-I'd give this to Future Trunks. Despite having the advantage of wielding his sword, Dabura couldn't even finish off a weaker opponent.

-Janemba's sword projected thin waves of ki that seemed exceptionally potent at slicing through things. This presumably increases the caliber of difficulty for his opponents. However without the usage of his warping abilities, Trunks has a good chance of taking this. As long as the lone hero manages to dodge those slashes of ki, he should be able to soundly secure victory. With his sword at his disposal, I could see the determined fighter strategically dishing out a maneuver where he somehow slices through the monster when he's least expecting it.

-I don't think Dabura has much of a chance here. If this is a sword clash, it's only a matter of time before the demon king gets sliced through. Those slices of ki that Janemba could project from his sword don't exactly seem like attacks that could nonchalantly be overlooked. Couple that with Dabura's track record of failure as a swordsman, and I'd say Janemba should be able to come out victorious. Had Vegeta not come into the picture, Goku would have been finished.

-I think the amount of power that Kid Trunks (post Buu arc) has over Future Trunks is too substantial for skill and/or strategy to make even the slightest bit of difference. Even with superior swordsmanship on his side, I'd say Future Trunks would just end up getting one-shotted by his younger counterpart as soon as the kid decides playing with ki is a lot more entertaining than some make believe sword battle.

[Lord Beerus]

Base Goten(Post-ROSAT) vs SSJ Future Gohan

Goten kicks Future Gohan's ass. Goten was already at #18 level prior to going into the ROSAT, so after training in the ROSAT, his power spiked a great deal. Not to mention that Future #18 is much weaker that her main timeline counterpart.

[supercat]

Base Goten(Post-ROSAT) vs SSJ Future Gohan

SSJ Future Gohan takes with the utmost ease.

Beerus made it pretty clear that Base Goku (BoG) is still quite not at the caliber of Frieza.

SSJ Goten (pre RoSaT) should be a better fight for SSJ Future Gohan. However, if the kid goes SSJ after completing his training inside the RoSaT, SSJ Future Gohan has no chance whatsoever.

Another Battle:
Piccolo (after training with King Kai) vs Zarbon (transformed) and Dodoria

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Base Goten(Post-ROSAT) vs SSJ Future Gohan

Goten mutilates him. Same reasoning as Lord Beerus'.

Piccolo (after training with King Kai) vs Zarbon (transformed) and Dodoria

Piccolo in an embarrassing stomp. Nail absolutely praised Piccolo's power.

[LightBing]

Base Goten(Post-ROSAT) vs SSJ Future Gohan

I'm in the group that believes base Saiyans are weaker than Freeza. So SSJ Future Gohan defeats him in one shot.

Another Battle:
Piccolo (after training with King Kai) vs Zarbon (transformed) and Dodoria

At minimum Piccolo has to be above Vegeta when he attacked Earth, Nail also says his power is amazing. With that said he defeats rather easily both of his opponents.

[ZombieVito]

Base Goten(Post-ROSAT) vs SSJ Future Gohan

SSJ Future Gohan takes with the utmost ease.

Beerus made it pretty clear that Base Goku (BoG) is still quite not at the caliber of Freeza.

SSJ Goten (pre RoSaT) should be a better fight for SSJ Future Gohan. However, if the kid goes SSJ after completing his training inside the RoSaT, SSJ Future Gohan has no chance whatsoever.

Another Battle:
Piccolo (after training with King Kai) vs Zarbon (transformed) and Dodoria

I agree that Goten doesn't have a chance but holy hell how weak do you have him for SSJ Future Gohan can give him a fight when he turns SSJ?

Piccolo dominates Zarbon and Dodoria quite easily. This is not a battle, this is a massacre.

[LightBing]

Android 18 vs Aka

Future Android 18 vs SSJ Vegeta (Android Arc)

Oozaru King Vegeta vs Captain Ginyu - No body change, assume King Vegeta has full control of the form

Cui and Dodoria vs Zarbon (no transformation)

[Lord Beerus]

Android 18 vs Aka

Future Android 18 vs SSJ Vegeta (Android Arc)

Oozaru King Vegeta vs Captain Ginyu - No body change, assume King Vegeta has full control of the form

Cui and Dodoria vs Zarbon (no transformation)

- Aka crushes #18
- #18 gets crushed, again
- Ginyu still gives that ape a beating of a lifetime
- Cui and Dodoria overwhelm Zarbon

[ZombieVito]

Android 18 vs Aka

Future Android 18 vs SSJ Vegeta (Android Arc)

Oozaru King Vegeta vs Captain Ginyu - No body change, assume King Vegeta has full control of the form

Cui and Dodoria vs Zarbon (no transformation)

18 kills Aka.
Future 18 wins after a long fight.
Ginyu still wins but with some difficulty.
Cui and Dodoria beat Zarbon after a long fight.

[Noah]

-There's really nothing supporting that. SS4 Vegetto can be considered SS3 Vegetto tier, as Herms specifies the comic is talking about Vegetto as a whole.
-They do.

- Well, I read something about that is said in GT Perfect Files that SSJ4 Goku has the same power as Super Vegetto

- Thanks for the link!

But... you know, a lot of things don't make sense in regards to Gohan. My favorite topic. =D

Maybe he was only SSJ against Dabura and was a SSJ2 when did that Super Kamehameha do destroy Majin Boo Egg, I guess