The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[dbzfan7]

Oolong vs. Ditto

Who wins?

I think Ditto has the better transformation, but Oolong would win. Ditto doesn't seem to have any other move outside of transform (From a brief research), so I think Oolong would win. Though I am unaware of how tough a Ditto is on it's own. If it could even copy Oolongs ability or forms, it'd only be as strong as Oolong is, which is weak. So I think Oolong can take it, unless regular Ditto is just already too strong.

[Sora Saiyan]

New battles:

- Gotenks (Base) x SSJ Goku (Boo Arc)

- Gotenks (Base) x SSJ Vegeta (Boo Arc)

- Gotenks (Base) x Perfect Cell

- Hypothetical SSJ2 Gotenks x Fat Boo (before split)

- SSJ3 Gotenks x Super Gogeta (Movie 12)

- Super Boo x Janemba

- SSJ Goku (Boo Arc) x Perfect Cell

- SSJ Vegeta (Boo Arc) x Super Perfect Cell

- Ultimate Gohan (Boo Arc) x Majuub

Base Gotenks loses every fight against the SSJ, and Cell pre or post split.

SSJ2 Gotenks defeats Fat Boo.

Gotenks should be stronger logically, didnt see enough of Gogeta to come up with a different conclusion.

Super Boo should have a pretty good advantage in raw power against Janenba, so this is Boos.

Goku wins mid difficulty IMO.

Vegeta loses.

EDIT: Damn forgot about the fight against Super Baby Vegeta 2, Majuub does stomp.

[supercat]

Except that there would be no one else participating in the tournament who'd even be capable knocking Gohan out bar Vegeta Goku and maybe Piccolo(If Gohan didn't go SSJ). Moreover, the very fact that his father would be participating would make him even more determined to get stronger.

Who does or doesn't participate is not relevant to this discussion. The bottom line is that Gohan did not see the event as a life and death situation, and hence, did not invest the same amount of effort as he would have for something that is.

While the participation of his father likely did increase his motivation to train harder, it's not like he was desperately trying to ensure victory against his dad or any of his friends. As mentioned before, if he was that serious, he would have leveraged more effective means of training. His first course of action was pulling a Tien and deciding to train in the woods. During the time he selected this brilliant method of training, he didn't even have the slightest clue that Goten could even become an SSJ. Therefore, sparring with an SSJ or building an intense training regimen were not things that he had originally intended on. Even at the tournament, Gohan seemed quite hesitant to even display his full power until it was requested by Kibito. In my opinion, all of these factors were enough implication that taking home the title was not something Gohan was obsessively aiming for.

Now does this mean he wanted to throw in the towel even before entering? No.. just because he enters with a less than serious mentality, does not automatically mean he's not going to try at all. To give you an analogy, I'm not going to devote my everything into a friendly game of basketball that I play with a group of friends. On the contrary, that doesn't mean I'll completely neglect putting in any effort. While it was important for Gohan to do well, it's not like it would have been the end of the world for him if he lost to Vegeta, Goku, or even Piccolo.

Sergeant Metallic vs Kurilin (21st Tenkaichi Budokai )

Jaco (Pre-DB) vs Tenshinhan (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai )

Garlic Jr (Garlic Jr Arc) vs Kurilin, Tenshinhan and Yamcha (Android Arc) - Garlic Jr is not immortal

Goku (22nd Tenkaichi Budokai) vs Cyborg Tao

-This looks like a relatively easy victory for Sergeant Metallic.

-Garlic Jr. takes all three of them down without much effort.

-Cyborg Tao takes this with relative ease.

New battles:

- Gotenks (Base) x SSJ Goku (Boo Arc)

- Gotenks (Base) x SSJ Vegeta (Boo Arc)

- Gotenks (Base) x Perfect Cell

- Hypothetical SSJ2 Gotenks x Fat Boo (before split)

- SSJ3 Gotenks x Super Gogeta (Movie 12)

- Super Boo x Janemba

- SSJ Goku (Boo Arc) x Perfect Cell

- SSJ Vegeta (Boo Arc) x Super Perfect Cell

- Ultimate Gohan (Boo Arc) x Majuub

-If you're referring to pre RoSaT Gotenks, then he likely loses instantly. Although facing off against post RoSaT Gotenks would be a completely different ball game altogether, the young fighter would still fall short of victory.

-See above.

-See above.

-Gotenks wins.

-Although SSJ Gogeta should be able to teach the kid what really fusion is about, it would still be a pretty decent fight altogether. I'm honestly inclined to say it could go either way, but that would also mean SSJ3 Gotenks could easily take down Janemba. Nothing against Gotenks, but for some reason, I just can't envision something like that happening.

-I feel Janemba may have the edge in power, but Buu's regeneration and stamina could go a long way. I would say it could honestly go either way.

-Cell takes this with minor difficulty.

-Same as above.

-Majuub wins with the utmost ease.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

New battles:

- Gotenks (Base) x SSJ Goku (Boo Arc)

- Gotenks (Base) x SSJ Vegeta (Boo Arc)

- Gotenks (Base) x Perfect Cell

- Hypothetical SSJ2 Gotenks x Fat Boo (before split)

- SSJ3 Gotenks x Super Gogeta (Movie 12)

- Super Boo x Janemba

- SSJ Goku (Boo Arc) x Perfect Cell

- SSJ Vegeta (Boo Arc) x Super Perfect Cell

- Ultimate Gohan (Boo Arc) x Majuub

-Goku

-Vegeta

-Cell

-Gotenks (only if he doesn't fuck around)

-Gogeta

-Janemba

-Cell

-Cell

-Majuub

[pacz360]

Let see how about these
Vegetto vs oceanus shenron
Pikkon vs ssj2 gohan (enraged)
Anime yamcha vs suppressed perfect cell

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Let see how about these
Vegetto vs oceanus shenron
Paikuhan vs ssj2 gohan (enraged)
Anime yamcha vs suppressed perfect cell

-Oceanus
-Gohan
-Yamcha

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Krillin (23rd) vs. Goku (post Ultra Divine Water)

[Kaboom]

Holy crap, you guys, upwards of 20 pages in a week? Slow the heck down! We don't need to fulfill a "one post every hour" quota or anything here.

Pan (EoZ) - Gauntlet

I'm going to say that any member of the Ginyu Force trio could beat her, because they're all older, bigger, and more experienced than her. Sure, Pan has spunk and a lot of promise, but she's only 4 years old and has barely started training.

SSJ4 Goku x Super Boo (Gohan Absorbed)
Super Boo (Gohan Absorbed) x Super Baby Vegeta
Semi Perfect Cell x Super Android 13
Majin Boo (Before split) x Kid Boo

— Goku wins. I'm fine with the notion that he's more-or-less on par with Super Vegetto now, and we all saw how easily Vegetto could handle this Boo.
— Boo loses again. If this is the form of Baby whom Goku paid the "ain't never felt a ki as amazing as that" compliment to, then at the bare minimum he's stronger than all the past villains, if not Goku or forms of Goku himself.
— Android 16 is touted as the strongest of Gero's creations aside from Cell, in an all-inclusive character guide which lists movie characters as well. Which probably means that Super 13 is weaker than 16, who was in turn weaker than Stage-2 Cell. So Cell takes this one.
— Pure Boo's got this one. He has a moderate advantage in power, his regeneration is supposedly better, AND he's just plain relentless.

Piccolo (2008 OVA) vs SSJ Trunks (3 years after CG).
Piccolo (BoG) vs SSJ Trunks (3 years after CG).
Piccolo (RoF) vs SSJ Trunks (3 years after CG).
Piccolo (RoF) vs East Kaioshin (No magic).

My gut tells me that Piccolo loses the first two matches but can win the second two.

Base Kid Gohan(Post ROSAT) vs SSJ Goten(Pre-ROSAT)

Gohan gets his butt kicked. Not even Goku could beat Freeza without Super Saiyan yet by a period a few years after Boo, so kid Gohan here isn't coming close to beating a Super Saiyan who even surpasses the Androids.

Another battle: Sauza vs Captain Ginyu (equal power, unlimited stamina, no body swapping)

- Giving it to Sauzer. He's definitely the smarter of the two, and he strikes me as more skilled, as well.

Post Z Sword Gohan vs Goku (2008 OVA).
Post Z Sword Gohan vs Goku (BoG).

A single day of weight training isn't going to close the big gap in skill and power between Gohan and Goku, especially not when Goku's even stronger after a few more years.

Sauza vs Freeza (equal power, unlimited stamina)
Sauza vs Tenshinhan (Android arc) - no Shin Kikoho
Sauza vs Tenshinhan (Buu arc) - no Shin Kikoho
Sauza vs Tenshinhan (FnF) - no Shin Kikoho
Sauza vs Tenshinhan (EoZ) - no Shin Kikoho
Sauza vs Tenshinhan (equal power, unlimited stamina) - no Shin Kikoho

— I flipped a coin for the first one and it says Freeza wins.
— For all but the last matchup... Sauzer's power level is 170,000, which I think is just a bit ahead of where Kuririn eventually capped out. Since Kuririn's perpetually stronger than Tenshinhan, then only End-of-Z Ten may stand a chance of overcoming Sauzer's superior power.
— But for the final equal-powers fight, I think it's a pretty darn close fight, and could go either way. Tenshinhan's no slouch when it comes to battle ability.

Tenshinhan vs Ultimate Gohan (equal power, unlimited stamina, no Shin Kikoho)
Future Trunks vs Ultimate Gohan (equal power, unlimited stamina, no sword)
Future Trunks vs Tenshinhan (equal power, unlimited stamina, no Shin Kikoho, no sword)

— Gonna say Tenshinhan wins this one. He's an overall much better and more competent fighter than Gohan, and has a wider repertoire of skills.
— Future Trunks may be one of the few people just as prone to screw-ups and dumb mistakes as Gohan. Flip a coin for this one.
— Tenshinhan again, for the above reasons.

Gohan (Babidi saga) vs Future Gohan (equal power, unlimited stamina)
Ultimate Gohan vs Future Gohan (equal power, unlimited stamina)

Definitely Future Gohan in both fights. He's more practiced and accustomed to battle.

Dabra vs. CG FPSS Goku

Dabra may have a slight edge in power, but Goku's skilled and tenacious enough that he could probably win. Picture how Goku's fight with Cell went, but if Cell couldn't regenerate.

Vegeta (BoG rage boost) vs First Form Freeza (FnF)
Vegeta (BoG rage boost) vs Final Form Freeza (FnF)

No way to tell. All his "rage boost" did for sure was make him momentarily stronger than (presumably SS3) Goku, and we have no way of knowing how either form of Freeza compares to that.

Future Trunks w/ sword vs Dabura w/ sword (equal power; unlimited stamina; no spitting allowed)
Future Trunks w sword vs Janemba w/ sword (equal power; unlimited stamina)
Dabura w/ sword vs Janemba w/ sword (equal power; unlimited stamina; no spitting)
Future Trunks w/ sword (vs Freeza) vs. Kid Trunks w/ sword (Hirudegarn movie)

— Dabra's got other magic abilities besides his stone spit, and he's likely been swinging that sword around for centuries. Trunks loses.
— Poor Trunks loses again. Sword or no sword, Janemba's too tricky and overpowered in other ways.
— Pretty sure Janemba's got this one, too.
— Poor Future Trunks loses just because of the immense power difference.

Base Goten(Post-ROSAT) vs SSJ Future Gohan

Goten gets flattened. Even his dad's not surpassed his own past Super Saiyan self yet, so Goten's certainly not up there.

Piccolo (after training with King Kai) vs Zarbon (transformed) and Dodoria

No way to tell for sure. We don't have any sort of power level estimate for Piccolo. Nail was "impressed" by his power, but that could mean stronger than him (above 42,000), just stronger than all the other Namekians (above 3,000), or anything in between. Piccolo seemed eager to test himself against someone "stronger than Vegeta," but he wasn't even around to feel Vegeta's strength on Earth, so that's not concrete either.

Android 18 vs Aka
Future Android 18 vs SSJ Vegeta (Android Arc)
Oozaru King Vegeta vs Captain Ginyu - No body change, assume King Vegeta has full control of the form
Cui and Dodoria vs Zarbon (no transformation)

— Aka was getting smacked around by base Gotenks, who in my book is only about half as strong as 17 or 18. So the sexy Android takes this fight rather easily.
— A very close fight. Vegeta may win, but it's not guaranteed. It's more likely to end up like Piccolo Vs 17, where the non-Android fighter becomes worn out after some time.
— I'm sure Ginyu knows enough about Saiyans to go for the tail... but if not, he may be in trouble. They're similar in power I think, but Vegeta Sr's got a big size and raw strength advantage. Ginyu seems to be pretty slow for his power level, so he's probably at a disadvantage there, too.
— Zarbon doesn't have a big skill advantage over either of these two like Vegeta did. So with how close their power levels are, it's not a sure thing that he could even beat just Dodoria alone, much less Dodoria with backup from Kwi.

Chichi (23rd) vs. Old Piccolo Daimao (<50%)

- Power level wise, Chi-Chi is on par with Muten Roshi who, my memory of it's a little fuzzy but I'm pretty sure, didn't stand a chance against this very same King Piccolo, so...

Aka vs Semi-perfect Cell

Grade 2 SSJ Vegeta vs Aka

Aka loses both of these fights so, so badly. Like, the severity of the beatdown isn't even funny. It's just said.

Super Boo (50%) vs. SSjin 3 Goku

Goku puts up a good fight, but is ultimately still overcome by Boo's power and broken regeneration.

Sergeant Metallic vs Kurilin (21st Tenkaichi Budokai )
Jaco (Pre-DB) vs Tenshinhan (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai )
Garlic Jr (Garlic Jr Arc) vs Kurilin, Tenshinhan and Yamcha (Android Arc) - Garlic Jr is not immortal
Goku (22nd Tenkaichi Budokai) vs Cyborg Tao

— I think Kuririn may have bitten off a bit more than he can chew, here.
— I like to give Jaco a little credit and give him a power level of around 500, at least. Strong enough to be an effective Galactic Patrolman, but not quite strong enough to fight the average adult Saiyan (assuming Raditz's 1,500 is "average"). So if he has to, he can beat pretty much the entire pre-Raditz cast with relative ease.
— Without that immortality, I don't think Garlic's going to survive a Kienzan or Kikoho.
— Considering just how easily Cyborg Tao Pai Pai got spanked by Tenshinhan, I don't think he'd make it through the 22nd tournament, either. Pretty sure Goku wins.

- Gotenks (Base) x SSJ Goku (Boo Arc)
- Gotenks (Base) x SSJ Vegeta (Boo Arc)
- Gotenks (Base) x Perfect Cell

- Hypothetical SSJ2 Gotenks x Fat Boo (before split)
- SSJ3 Gotenks x Super Gogeta (Movie 12)
- Super Boo x Janemba
- SSJ Goku (Boo Arc) x Perfect Cell
- SSJ Vegeta (Boo Arc) x Super Perfect Cell
- Ultimate Gohan (Boo Arc) x Super Oob

— Base Gotenks gets his ass beat so one-sidedly in all of these first three fights that it's not even funny... okay, no, I guess it'd actually be pretty funny.
— This one, Gotenks may be able to pull off if he doesn't screw around too much. It'll be like his fight with Super Boo except he's not getting drained by Super Saiyan 3.
— Gotenks gets spanked and sent to bed without any dinner.
— If Janemba figures out that Boo needs to be completely enveloped and eradicated to be defeated, then he's more than capable of doing so.
— Goku's gotten a lot stronger but he can't quite measure up to Cell's full power yet. This fight plays out a lot like their Cell Games match did.
— Uh, what? Vegeta's even with Goku at best, so he's not measuring up to an even STRONGER form of Cell. Unless you meant Super Saiyan 2, in which case Vegeta can pull it off.
— Going to give it to Oob. Even putting aside "GT Logic" I'm pretty sure Oob's just a total beast after merging with Boo, on-par with Evil Boo's higher absorbed forms.

Oolong vs. Ditto

Oolong realizes that Ditto can transform into anything, and has a propensity for mating with things, and... well, it gets weird.

... But from a more serious, battle-oriented standpoint, Ditto is the same as Oolong in that even though it can change its shape, it's stats don't improve or change along with it. So it depends on which of the two is naturally stronger or higher-level.

Vegetto vs oceanus shenron
Paikuhan vs ssj2 gohan (enraged)
Anime yamcha vs suppressed perfect cell

— I'm going to say Vegetto, because Vegetto.
— Depends on if Cell still possessed his full "Super Perfect" power when Paikuhan beat him down.
— Filler-Yamcha only has an edge against filler characters. Cell is not one of those. Poor dead Yamcha.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

Let see how about these
Vegetto vs oceanus shenron
Paikuhan vs ssj2 gohan (enraged)
Anime yamcha vs suppressed perfect cell

Shenron destroys the potara warrior.

Paikuhan loses. The Paikuhan vs Cell fight was bullshit.

The mighty Filler Yamcha destroys all!

[Lord Beerus]

Krillin (23rd) vs. Goku (post Ultra Divine Water)

Goku kicks Krillins ass

[Bullza]

Golden Frieza vs Omega Shenron

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Golden Freeza vs Omega Shenron

Omega stomps... even Syn Shenron stomps Freeza here... [in my opinion]

[SSJ God Gogeta]

Golden Freeza vs Omega Shenron

Freeza stands no chance against the power of Shenron.

[ZombieVito]

Oolong vs. Ditto

Oolong realizes that Ditto can transform into anything, and has a propensity for mating with things, and... well, it gets weird.

... But from a more serious, battle-oriented standpoint, Ditto is the same as Oolong in that even though it can change its shape, it's stats don't improve or change along with it. So it depends on which of the two is naturally stronger or higher-level.

The only stat that doesn't change is HP. All other stats get copied.

[Bullza]

Oh he'd stomp Syn Shenron with ease but I'm not sure about Omega Shenron.

Golden Frieza is stronger than SSJ3 Gogeta. Omega Shenron is considerably weaker than SSJ4 Gogeta. So who knows. Shenron does have the advantage of his energy not running out as quickly though.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Oh he'd stomp Syn Shenron with ease but I'm not sure about Omega Shenron.

Golden Freeza is stronger than SSJ3 Gogeta. Omega Shenron is considerably weaker than SSJ4 Gogeta. So who knows. Shenron does have the advantage of his energy not running out as quickly though.

How do you know he'd stomp Syn Shenron for a fact?

Golden Freeza is stronger than a Buu saga / BOG Gogeta, not GT Gogeta [well, not for certain]. But that doesn't mean much since even Gohan-Buu is arguably stronger than a Buu arc SS3 Gogeta.

[Kamiccolo9]

Oh he'd stomp Syn Shenron with ease but I'm not sure about Omega Shenron.

Golden Freeza is stronger than SSJ3 Gogeta. Omega Shenron is considerably weaker than SSJ4 Gogeta. So who knows. Shenron does have the advantage of his energy not running out as quickly though.

Isn't Omega a regenerator as well? I don't remember the fight very well, but I seem to remember him recovering using the electric dragon's slime, or something.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Oh he'd stomp Syn Shenron with ease but I'm not sure about Omega Shenron.

Golden Freeza is stronger than SSJ3 Gogeta. Omega Shenron is considerably weaker than SSJ4 Gogeta. So who knows. Shenron does have the advantage of his energy not running out as quickly though.

Isn't Omega a regenerator as well? I don't remember the fight very well, but I seem to remember him recovering using the electric dragon's slime, or something.

He regenerated from Gogeta's Big Bang Kamehameha. The slime was Rage Shenron.

[Kamiccolo9]

Oh he'd stomp Syn Shenron with ease but I'm not sure about Omega Shenron.

Golden Freeza is stronger than SSJ3 Gogeta. Omega Shenron is considerably weaker than SSJ4 Gogeta. So who knows. Shenron does have the advantage of his energy not running out as quickly though.

Isn't Omega a regenerator as well? I don't remember the fight very well, but I seem to remember him recovering using the electric dragon's slime, or something.

He regenerated from Gogeta's Big Bang Kamehameha. The slime was Rage Shenron.

Ah. I seem to recall the slime playing a part in that fight, though. Omega did have all the dragon's special abilities.
Edit: Yeah, here it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBzE7IXfqH8

[fadeddreams5]

Wow! I had no idea Omega had regeneration. How'd I miss that...

[Bullza]

I'd forgotten all about the regeneration. Perhaps Beerus would have been a better match for Omega Shenron instead then.