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Lord Beerus wrote:
And what exactly is Toriyama's retroactive vision of what Dragon Ball should be?
"SSJ2 is the strongest"
"Nah actually its SSJG in base form cause I don't like non-black hair anymore"
"Gohan is Mystic now. Wait, he can still be SSJ. wait what?"
"Who's Goten?"
"Dragon Ball is slapstick comedy. Wait no it's serious action. Back to comedy!"
He changes his mind all the time and uses his authorship of the franchise as an excuse to not have to follow his own work
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GoldLiger wrote:I am still trying to figure out why AT went with the Blue Super Saiyan look.
Also note that if this is the case WE were both wrong. Because it is neither Mystic/Ultimate Mode or SSG but a BLUE SUPER SAIYAN.
Maybe it was because Vegeta's actor liked it better. The user, Menkon, showed him an image of two variations of Super Saiyan God Vegeta and Ryo Horikawa preferred the blue back in 2013.
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GoldLiger wrote:I am still trying to figure out why AT went with the Blue Super Saiyan look.
Also note that if this is the case WE were both wrong. Because it is neither Mystic/Ultimate Mode or SSG but a BLUE SUPER SAIYAN.
Maybe it was because Vegeta's actor liked it better. The user, Menkon, showed him an image of two variations of Super Saiyan God Vegeta and he preferred the blue back in 2013.
To bad Toriyama doesn't listen to fans at all. At least we know what the next trailer will look like then.
Dragon Ball Heroes God Mission = Best sets of missions so far
Retan wrote:Wonder if this really is about the japanese not liking that yellow hair meant stronger in DBZ; rather then Toriyama being done with transformations?
...considering how popular this franchise is, including the "Super Saiyan" forms... that's a rather silly notion.
"I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It’s when you know you’re licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what." - Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird (1960)
“I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear.” - Nelson Mandela
MrKaytos wrote:Could it be... the new transformation?
Spoiler:
Look at the blue hair!! *-*
What the fuck!?
I hope this shit was just a classic case of poorly designed toys. Because if this is real...
DAMN.
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Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Lord Beerus wrote:
And what exactly is Toriyama's retroactive vision of what Dragon Ball should be?
"SSJ2 is the strongest"
"Nah actually its SSJG in base form cause I don't like non-black hair anymore"
"Gohan is Mystic now. Wait, he can still be SSJ. wait what?"
"Who's Goten?"
"Dragon Ball is slapstick comedy. Wait no it's serious action. Back to comedy!"
He changes his mind all the time and uses his authorship of the franchise as an excuse to not have to follow his own work
So you think the concept of one 93 minutes movie, which nobody has seen yet, basically sums up what Toriyama thinks of Dragon Ball as a whole? That is an absurdly narrow minded way of looking at things.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
GoldLiger wrote:
On the plus side. It's not SSJ Gohan with the toys but Mystic Gohan. . Glad someone remember!
Blue Super Saiyans. Next it will be Blue Super Saiyan 2 and Blue Super Saiyan 3 and Blue Super Saiyan 4.[/quote]
Still room for that GREEN SSJ!
Lord Beerus wrote:
So you think the concept of one 93 minutes movie, which nobody has seen yet, basically sums up what Toriyama thinks of Dragon Ball as a whole? That is an absurdly narrow minded way of looking at things.
No sweetie, I think his interviews across the years, BOG and other new stuff (like Jaco) show prety well what he thinks of DB and what is "should" be. As in, it is whatever he feels at a current moment with little thought put into what he already wrote before. That's what I have a problem with it, it's not great for continuity of the franchise
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You know, if fans saw those toys (including Golden Frieza) a year ago, they'd instantly assume they were terrible, ugly bootlegs. If fans drew them, people would be rolling their eyes and praising Toriyama for his originality.
Yet I know when this movie is released, the same people will be saying things such as, "Oh. The designs have grown on me!" or "I actually really like them now!" -.-
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
fadeddreams5 wrote:You know, if fans saw those toys (including Golden Freeza) a year ago, they'd instantly assume they were terrible, ugly bootlegs. If fans drew them, people would be rolling their eyes and praising Toriyama for his originality.
Yet I know when this movie is released, the same people will be saying things such as, "Oh. The designs have grown on me!" or "I actually really like them now!" -.-
Why did people think Toriyama is immune to criticism? People criticism Toriyama for his creative decisions constantly. The most recent being Dragon Ball Minus, which critically thrashed by 90% of the people on the forum.
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Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
To be honest I absolutely don't like the new blue color for their hair. It just makes Goku and Vegeta look sinister.
cough*
Goku new form should have new physical appearance(not talking about cosmetic appearance such as different hair color) but have him be taller, slightly more muscular and possible give him an armor. something similar to an egyptian type armor to make him stand out as a god similar to beerus.
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Retan wrote:Wonder if this really is about the japanese not liking that yellow hair meant stronger in DBZ; rather then Toriyama being done with transformations?
...considering how popular this franchise is, including the "Super Saiyan" forms... that's a rather silly notion.
And why's that? The series is popular because of the Story, characters, Art, fights and so on, not because Super Saiyan was showing that Blond hair represented strength.
And as the French forum's boss just reminded us over here in France, watch this:
What if the idea was that Super Saiyan God was not completely achieved in BOG, for example due to one of the members just being a foetus.
It's almost as if it was supposed to be blue (blue aura, perhaps blue straight hair falling down, even blue eyes for a split second) and immediately fell back to a midway status.
Of course, Toriyama doesn't think that far ahead, but it could be that he's been inspired by watching what it looked like when seeing BOG.
Then again, all of him is actually blue due to the aura for a split second... But those blue aura and sparkles to begin with, which are not seen again. Really seems to indicate that the true God energy would be blue under normal circumstances.
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I'll just wait until the we get the movie details tomorrow before I pass judgement. I honestly hope the Blue SSJ God thing isn't real, because that really does reek of fanfiction.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
fadeddreams5 wrote:You know, if fans saw those toys (including Golden Freeza) a year ago, they'd instantly assume they were terrible, ugly bootlegs. If fans drew them, people would be rolling their eyes and praising Toriyama for his originality.
Yet I know when this movie is released, the same people will be saying things such as, "Oh. The designs have grown on me!" or "I actually really like them now!" -.-
Why did people Toriyama is immune to criticism? People criticism Toriyama for his creative decisions constantly. The most recent being Dragon Ball Minus, which critically thrashed by 90% of the people on the forum.
People are so ungrateful. We actually get a new dragon ball chapter from Akira, and all people do is attack and criticize him.
TheBritWriter wrote:
Well that confirms it 'Edward' is going to play vegeta in the next live DBZ movie
If there is another evolution in the transformation then I can only assume the follow up to this will be on the multiverse that was revealed in the last movie, heck we might even get a new anime series.
Well he is the only actor I know who actually has hair some what like Vegeta's and can pull of Vegeta's "I'm always pissed off" look.
. Glad someone remember!
