"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[pacz360]

Anyways I'm dissapointed I thought we were going to focus on the other universes in the manga chapter today

Strange that jiren didn't appear here,maybe next month will focus on the other universes.

Glad super saiyan blue is not spammed to death here,the form in the manga feels more special here.

Meh it stop being special in the u6 manga arc to me

[jplaya2023]

Being on Ssj3's level is better than Blue but I still think it's too much of a jump for him. Ssj3 looks amazing as always so hopefully we'll get more of it in the tournament.

yeah 17 goes from weaker than fpssj to ssj blue (anime) or ssj3 (manga) level by fighting off poachers? really

[Olympian]

The absolute disrespect Yamcha gets

I may be too optimistic here but is this really disrespectfull? Gohan isn`t picked as yet and Bulma has a serious expression on her face when talking about Yamcha, who gets to be mentioned ahead. I guess the issue is in the blurred face and what that is supposed to ilustrate.

ABsolutely bizarre how a character which Toei pulled active until the end of the Buu arc and that Toryama still wrote as Goku asking if he was joining the Tournament, as well as showing up with his Gi in Goku and Friends has been suddently blacklisted from active action from the cast since Freeza`s return.

Could anyone translate it?

[The gr]

Meh it stop being special in the u6 manga arc to me

Mastered SSB would love to salute ya and the form is special to me here because is only used in drastic situations.

[BlueVegerot]

The manga never had any of that "made ssg your own" thing that the anime did where ssj goku >= ssg , nor did they show the RoF arc so we can't even attempt to point at Base Goku > Final Form Freeza >>> every other non vegeta fighter. In the manga goku base is stronger than it was before BoG but its never been shown as crazy OP as the anime has with Freeza fight or ss3 gotenks. Remember ss2 trunks = ss3 goku in the manga. Goku and Vegeta power gap over everyone else comes via SSG and SSB

[Hawk9211]

>Going on /a/
>Especially a Dragon Ball super thread
Never do that buddy
Its nothing but shtiposting cancer

I have learned my lesson.

Being on Ssj3's level is better than Blue but I still think it's too much of a jump for him. Ssj3 looks amazing as always so hopefully we'll get more of it in the tournament.

Well,he started at ssj1 level with infinite stamina and had quite a few years to train.There was a interview of toriyama stating that 17 had great potential,so we have great potential,a great start,infinite stamina and a few years to train I don't find it unreasonable .

Super Saiyan isn't a level and all the adult Saiyans greatly surpassed the androids with just Super Saiyan back in the Cell Saga. And in the manga, Goku in base form is stronger than any of the Supreme Kais in just base form, while Beerus claimed base form Goku was still below Namek Saga Freeza.

It's still a good start,I mean look at freeza he was weaker than namek saga super saiyan and goku's base form being above kaioshin is speculation after it is not clear how much goku was affected and rumishi's roar affected even hakaishins.

[HeroR]

It's still a good start,I mean look at freeza he was weaker than namek saga super saiyan and goku's base form being above kaioshin is speculation after it is not clear how much goku was affected and rumishi's roar affected even hakaishins.

But the flaw here with the androids that they became weaker than a Super Saiyan before the Cell Saga ended, so 17 wasn't stronger than a Super Saiyan.

And it really isn't speculation since why would the Supreme Kais faint, but not Goku if he was weaker than them?

Being on Ssj3's level is better than Blue but I still think it's too much of a jump for him. Ssj3 looks amazing as always so hopefully we'll get more of it in the tournament.

yeah 17 goes from weaker than fpssj to ssj blue (anime) or ssj3 (manga) level by fighting off poachers? really

It was never said anywhere that 17 just fought poachers except from fans who used that term to dismissed 17's growth.

[BlueVegerot]

I have learned my lesson.

Well,he started at ssj1 level with infinite stamina and had quite a few years to train.There was a interview of toriyama stating that 17 had great potential,so we have great potential,a great start,infinite stamina and a few years to train I don't find it unreasonable .

Super Saiyan isn't a level and all the adult Saiyans greatly surpassed the androids with just Super Saiyan back in the Cell Saga. And in the manga, Goku in base form is stronger than any of the Supreme Kais in just base form, while Beerus claimed base form Goku was still below Namek Saga Freeza.

It's still a good start,I mean look at freeza he was weaker than namek saga super saiyan and goku's base form being above kaioshin is speculation after it is not clear how much goku was affected and rumishi's roar affected even hakaishins.

Why are we acting like supreme kai power is something impressive? Shin claimed they could have killed freeza but which freeza? i doubt shin had seen final form 100% freeza. Remember shin was scared shitless of Pui Pui who vegeta clocked with zero difficulty in base alone

[HeroR]

Why are we acting like supreme kai power is something impressive? Shin claimed they could have killed freeza but which freeza? i doubt shin had seen final form 100% freeza. Remember shin was scared shitless of Pui Pui who vegeta clocked with zero difficulty in base alone

Shin was stronger than Piccolo at the time, so he isn't that weak. He was also the weakest Supreme Kai in U7. The strongest Supreme Kai was able to trade hands with Kid Buu.

The manga never had any of that "made ssg your own" thing that the anime did where ssj goku >= ssg , nor did they show the RoF arc so we can't even attempt to point at Base Goku > Final Form Freeza >>> every other non vegeta fighter. In the manga goku base is stronger than it was before BoG but its never been shown as crazy OP as the anime has with Freeza fight or ss3 gotenks. Remember ss2 trunks = ss3 goku in the manga. Goku and Vegeta power gap over everyone else comes via SSG and SSB

That is a big assumption that Toyo would ignore something from a movie that Toriyama personally wrote himself. Toyo even did his own version of Resurrection 'F' to promote the movie.

[BlueVegerot]

Why are we acting like supreme kai power is something impressive? Shin claimed they could have killed freeza but which freeza? i doubt shin had seen final form 100% freeza. Remember shin was scared shitless of Pui Pui who vegeta clocked with zero difficulty in base alone

Shin was stronger than Piccolo at the time, so he isn't that weak. He was also the weakest Supreme Kai in U7. The strongest Supreme Kai was able to trade hands with Kid Buu.

Where was it stated he was stronger than piccolo? piccolo didn't fight him out of respect not because shin was stronger.

[BlueVegerot]

Why are we acting like supreme kai power is something impressive? Shin claimed they could have killed freeza but which freeza? i doubt shin had seen final form 100% freeza. Remember shin was scared shitless of Pui Pui who vegeta clocked with zero difficulty in base alone

Shin was stronger than Piccolo at the time, so he isn't that weak. He was also the weakest Supreme Kai in U7. The strongest Supreme Kai was able to trade hands with Kid Buu.

The manga never had any of that "made ssg your own" thing that the anime did where ssj goku >= ssg , nor did they show the RoF arc so we can't even attempt to point at Base Goku > Final Form Freeza >>> every other non vegeta fighter. In the manga goku base is stronger than it was before BoG but its never been shown as crazy OP as the anime has with Freeza fight or ss3 gotenks. Remember ss2 trunks = ss3 goku in the manga. Goku and Vegeta power gap over everyone else comes via SSG and SSB

That is a big assumption that Toyo would ignore something from a movie that Toriyama personally wrote himself. Toyo even did his own version of Resurrection 'F' to promote the movie.

Its not an assumption. the manga had ssg since the u6 arc and at no point was goku/vegeta base stated or shown to be OP. Future Trunks in ss2 watch even with ss3 goku in power. the same f trunks who struggled to beat dabura a little while earlier.

[HeroR]

Where was it stated he was stronger than piccolo? piccolo didn't fight him out of respect not because shin was stronger.

Aw no. Piccolo didn't fight Shin because as he put it in the manga, "the dimension between us is too vast', not out of respect. That is what Piccolo's fans pushed because they don't want to believe Shin was stronger.

Why are we acting like supreme kai power is something impressive? Shin claimed they could have killed freeza but which freeza? i doubt shin had seen final form 100% freeza. Remember shin was scared shitless of Pui Pui who vegeta clocked with zero difficulty in base alone

Shin was stronger than Piccolo at the time, so he isn't that weak. He was also the weakest Supreme Kai in U7. The strongest Supreme Kai was able to trade hands with Kid Buu.

Its not an assumption. the manga had ssg since the u6 arc and at no point was goku/vegeta base stated or shown to be OP. Future Trunks in ss2 watch even with ss3 goku in power. the same f trunks who struggled to beat dabura a little while earlier.

It is assumption since you're assuming Toyo changed or ignored the plot within Resurrection 'F' so base form Goku never fought true Freeza and stomped. Dabura in the manga was also a couple years ago and Trunks got vastly stronger since then. Trunks' Super Saiyan 2 got so strong because Trunks made the form stronger.

[LightBing]

The strongest Supreme Kai was able to trade hands with Kid Buu.

That's head-canon. Just because Boo absorbed him doesn't mean he was equivalent to him.

[Hawk9211]

It's still a good start,I mean look at freeza he was weaker than namek saga super saiyan and goku's base form being above kaioshin is speculation after it is not clear how much goku was affected and rumishi's roar affected even hakaishins.

But the flaw here with the androids that they became weaker than a Super Saiyan before the Cell Saga ended, so 17 wasn't stronger than a Super Saiyan.

And it really isn't speculation since why would the Supreme Kais faint, but not Goku if he was weaker than them?

Being on Ssj3's level is better than Blue but I still think it's too much of a jump for him. Ssj3 looks amazing as always so hopefully we'll get more of it in the tournament.

yeah 17 goes from weaker than fpssj to ssj blue (anime) or ssj3 (manga) level by fighting off poachers? really

It was never said anywhere that 17 just fought poachers except from fans who used that term to dismissed 17's growth.

I guess I will give you supreme kai however fainting could be taken in a number of different ways like less mental power etc I'd like to wait for more content.

Why are we acting like supreme kai power is something impressive? Shin claimed they could have killed freeza but which freeza? i doubt shin had seen final form 100% freeza. Remember shin was scared shitless of Pui Pui who vegeta clocked with zero difficulty in base alone

Shin was stronger than Piccolo at the time, so he isn't that weak. He was also the weakest Supreme Kai in U7. The strongest Supreme Kai was able to trade hands with Kid Buu.

The manga never had any of that "made ssg your own" thing that the anime did where ssj goku >= ssg , nor did they show the RoF arc so we can't even attempt to point at Base Goku > Final Form Freeza >>> every other non vegeta fighter. In the manga goku base is stronger than it was before BoG but its never been shown as crazy OP as the anime has with Freeza fight or ss3 gotenks. Remember ss2 trunks = ss3 goku in the manga. Goku and Vegeta power gap over everyone else comes via SSG and SSB

That is a big assumption that Toyo would ignore something from a movie that Toriyama personally wrote himself. Toyo even did his own version of Resurrection 'F' to promote the movie.

Its not an assumption. the manga had ssg since the u6 arc and at no point was goku/vegeta base stated or shown to be OP. Future Trunks in ss2 watch even with ss3 goku in power. the same f trunks who struggled to beat dabura a little while earlier.

[HeroR]

The strongest Supreme Kai was able to trade hands with Kid Buu.

That's head-canon. Just because Boo absorbed him doesn't mean he was equivalent to him.

Nice try, but it isn't head canon. At the very least call it anime filler since that is what happened in the manga.

It's still a good start,I mean look at freeza he was weaker than namek saga super saiyan and goku's base form being above kaioshin is speculation after it is not clear how much goku was affected and rumishi's roar affected even hakaishins.

But the flaw here with the androids that they became weaker than a Super Saiyan before the Cell Saga ended, so 17 wasn't stronger than a Super Saiyan.

And it really isn't speculation since why would the Supreme Kais faint, but not Goku if he was weaker than them?

yeah 17 goes from weaker than fpssj to ssj blue (anime) or ssj3 (manga) level by fighting off poachers? really

It was never said anywhere that 17 just fought poachers except from fans who used that term to dismissed 17's growth.

I guess I will give you supreme kai however fainting could be taken in a number of different ways like less mental power etc I'd like to wait for more content.

Shin was stronger than Piccolo at the time, so he isn't that weak. He was also the weakest Supreme Kai in U7. The strongest Supreme Kai was able to trade hands with Kid Buu.



That is a big assumption that Toyo would ignore something from a movie that Toriyama personally wrote himself. Toyo even did his own version of Resurrection 'F' to promote the movie.

Its not an assumption. the manga had ssg since the u6 arc and at no point was goku/vegeta base stated or shown to be OP. Future Trunks in ss2 watch even with ss3 goku in power. the same f trunks who struggled to beat dabura a little while earlier.

Goku had more mental power than the Supreme Kais?

[LightBing]

The strongest Supreme Kai was able to trade hands with Kid Buu.

That's head-canon. Just because Boo absorbed him doesn't mean he was equivalent to him.

Nice try, but it isn't head canon. At the very least call it anime filler since that is what happened in the manga.

Is it anime filler? I was talking about the manga and in the manga South Kaioshin doesn't appear, much less able to compete with Kid Boo. He's only mentioned as the strongest Kaioshin.

[BlueVegerot]

Dude if something is not stated in the manga its not there, don't use your head canon. The anime and manga are totally different. the energy leak of blue is not a thing in the anime, kaioken is not in the manga. Don't be dense. NOWHERE was it stated base goku or ss1 goku was >= ssg goku from beerus fight in the manga. SHow me actual evidence of that IN the manga or just accept you are wrong

[Hawk9211]

The strongest Supreme Kai was able to trade hands with Kid Buu.

That's head-canon. Just because Boo absorbed him doesn't mean he was equivalent to him.

Nice try, but it isn't head canon. At the very least call it anime filler since that is what happened in the manga.

But the flaw here with the androids that they became weaker than a Super Saiyan before the Cell Saga ended, so 17 wasn't stronger than a Super Saiyan.

And it really isn't speculation since why would the Supreme Kais faint, but not Goku if he was weaker than them?



It was never said anywhere that 17 just fought poachers except from fans who used that term to dismissed 17's growth.

I guess I will give you supreme kai however fainting could be taken in a number of different ways like less mental power etc I'd like to wait for more content.

Its not an assumption. the manga had ssg since the u6 arc and at no point was goku/vegeta base stated or shown to be OP. Future Trunks in ss2 watch even with ss3 goku in power. the same f trunks who struggled to beat dabura a little while earlier.

Goku had more mental power than the Supreme Kais?

Well,I meant supreme kai comes out as little weak minded,let's just wait for more content.To make things perfectly clear,otherwise we'll continue moving in circles.

[HeroR]

Is it anime filler? I was talking about the manga and in the manga South Kaioshin doesn't appear, much less able to compete with Kid Boo. He's only mentioned as the strongest Kaioshin.

Yes it is. And South Supreme Kai does appear in a bubble when Shin is talking about him.

My primary point rather you want to argued if South Supreme Kai was equal or on par with Kid Buu is that there is a vast power different between Shin, the weakest Supreme Kai, and South Supreme Kai who was the strongest. So saying that Goku being stronger than Shin isn't impressive ignores that he was the weakest in U7 and the other Kais could be vastly stronger than him.

Dude if something is not stated in the manga its not there, don't use your head canon. The anime and manga are totally different. the energy leak of blue is not a thing in the anime, kaioken is not in the manga. Don't be dense. NOWHERE was it stated base goku or ss1 goku was >= ssg goku from beerus fight in the manga. SHow me actual evidence of that IN the manga or just accept you are wrong

The isn't how that works. At worst, it's 'filler', not head-canon. And just because something isn't stated doesn't mean Toyo ignored what happened in Resurrection 'F' since that really is 'head-canon' in your part. Especially when Toyo himself did a version of Resurrection 'F' where base form Goku moped final form Freeza.

This isn't about 'accept that you're wrong', this is me saying that you can't just say that Toyo ignored what happened in Resurrection 'F' and claimed that the battle between base form Goku and Freeza didn't happened. Nor ignore that there is a big power different between Shin, the weakest Supreme Kai in U7, and South Supreme Kai, the strongest Supreme Kai in U7.

Well,I meant supreme kai comes out as little weak minded,let's just wait for more content.To make things perfectly clear,otherwise we'll continue moving in circles.

But that would be Shin alone who could be considered 'weak-minded'.

[BlueVegerot]

Do you have actual evidence of that in the manga? also that promotional manga was for the movie not the show. Again give me proof or just accept you are wrong. You are the one running with headcanon, not to mention toriyama is prone to changing stuff on the fly. so even if the whole OP base was a thing for RoF doesn't mean its there for the rest of the show unless you want to tell me Dabura >> SSG goku vs beerus or a random metalman is far superior to ssg from BoG?