Kaboom wrote:Bullza wrote:Herms made this comment which is pretty interesting.
"Goku specifically notes that "unlike me", Vegeta became SSG through his own power rather than by borrowing power from others."
I suppose we kinda knew that already but this does at least confirm it, how such a thing is possible though is another matter. Goku did say SSJG was a level of power he couldn't reach on his own so I'd say Whis taught him the particulars. Again another wasted chance in that Super didn't show this.
Lame. Totally, utterly, completely lame. Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with sudden power-ups — they were plentiful and frequent in the original story. But they always at least had an actual
plot device behind them. Sacred water, potential unlocks, new transformations, Fusion, etc... But apparently this time around we're not even gonna bother.
"So how did Vegeta gain Super Saiyan God power, something far above even the strongest of DBZ's characters which Goku said was a world he never knew existed and could never have attained on his own?"
"He trained."
"Brilliant!"
They had the opportunity to do anything they wanted... maybe something where Goku had to share a portion of his god-ki with Vegeta, or where intense exposure to god-ki in the realm inside Whis' staff, or maybe some deeper revelation about what the heck god-ki is in the first place... but nope. We've just got characters making insanely large, nigh-impossible power gains out of nowhere. This is the same crap that GT pulled.
I'm trying to enjoy Super however I can, but you don't even have to be a power levels type of fan to notice and see the problem in this kind of thing. It really drags things down.
I wouldn't call it "he just trained", there seems to be more to it.
Vegeta got angry against Beerus, and he didn't just surpass SS3 Goku, he even surpassed Ultimate Gohan and probably even Super Vegetto, since he forced Beerus to use 10% of his power. But he shouldn't have dormant powers beyond Gohan, since we are told that Gohan has even greater dormant powers than Goku & Vegeta, and this is still repeated even in the Hakaishin Champa arc, so the dormant powers that Vegeta used aren't the same kind of dormant powers that Gohan has used so far. Then Whis says to Vegeta that he would be able to surpass Goku, who had absorbed the power of SSG, if he was to control his ki. Vegeta then trains under Whis for 6 months, and he obtains the power of SSG through training, apparently by getting control of his ki.
To me, it seems that Whis reached that conclusion after seeing Vegeta's maximum power against Beerus, which he obviously couldn't control, since this power was brought forth by Vegeta unconsciously through his anger & he couldn't maintain it for long. It seems like Vegeta temporarily brought forth SSG's power, but he could only use a small part of it because he couldn't control it. Then he trained under Whis & learned how to control his ki, how to control the power of SSG, and brought forth the full power of SSG permanently.
At least that's how it looks like to me.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
