"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[ryou766]

Just so everyone knows, adult swim is streaming DBZ. http://www.adultswim.com/misc/time-rift ... all-z.html

While that does surprise/confuse me, what does that have to do Super?

Also, such bad quality.

[Xeztin]

Just so everyone knows, adult swim is streaming DBZ. http://www.adultswim.com/misc/time-rift ... all-z.html

While that does surprise/confuse me, what does that have to do Super?

Also, such bad quality.

I did not think it deserved it's own thread so I was just throwing it out there. Thought someone might find it neat.

[Noah]

I wonder if we'll ever see a episode in this arc, where Goku Black beats Vados to a pulp, that would be nice

[kinisking]

I wonder if we'll ever see a episode in this arc, where Goku Black beats Vados to a pulp, that would be nice

I don't want Vados and Whis getting surpassed by a villian quite yet. It would be hard going up from there. Besides, I'd rather see Beerus get his ass beat for being so cocky all the time.

[FortuneSSJ]

Can't get behind the idea of reviving everyone from future Trunks timeline.
Future Mai should still be alive, so he still didn't lose everyone. I think she's enough. I love the consequences and darkness of Future Trunks timeline and I don't wanna lose that.

We have enough happy endings on the main timeline.

Have an adventure quest for the Super Dragon Balls would be great, but that's what should've happened in Champa arc and they blew it.

Have to disagree.

It means more to search for the Super Dragon Balls to restore Future Trunks' world than to search for one Super Dragon Ball since they already had six of them just so Beerus can have the wish anyway. Also, they wouldn't even explore U6 since Champa already collected all the Super Dragon Balls in his universe, which was why he was looking in U7. It's very much a call back to when Gohan, Krillin, and Bulma went to Namek to revived their falling friends.

That's not true. They still would had to explore U6.
There's no specified rule saying that every time the Super DBs scatter, it follows a logic pattern of 3 balls in each universe and 1 ball on neutral ground.
Champa/Vados could perfectly have missed the last one in their Universe.

Having no pattern behind their scattering it's what would always make the quest exciting and hard. Especially when there would be scenarios like 5 balls in one universe and 2 in another one.

The champa arc could still have done something great even if there was only one ball missing.
Like having the last one be in Planet Salad and create a sense of conflict because of that. Not only we would explore U6, but also have a much better conclusion.

Instead they played the obvious card of having the last ball right there, which was nothing but a cheap cop out.

[alakazam^]

Are we still trying to make Xeno Trunks a thing when it comes to the actual story line? He was created for the games, so it should stay that way.

So? There's nothing preventing him from becoming one.

[ryou766]

Are we still trying to make Xeno Trunks a thing when it comes to the actual story line? He was created for the games, so it should stay that way.

So? There's nothing preventing him from becoming one.

Trunks needs to be attentive in his timeline. He is its last hope.

Leave game ideas in the games. Don't incorporate it into the actual story.

[sintzu]

Leave game ideas in the games. Don't incorporate it into the actual story.

They've been incorporating fan fictions into it so there's nothing stopping them from incorporating game elements as well.

[ryou766]

Leave game ideas in the games. Don't incorporate it into the actual story.

They've been incorporating fan fictions into it so there's nothing stopping them from incorporating game elements as well.

That's painfully true.

[HeroR]

Can't get behind the idea of reviving everyone from future Trunks timeline.
Future Mai should still be alive, so he still didn't lose everyone. I think she's enough. I love the consequences and darkness of Future Trunks timeline and I don't wanna lose that.

We have enough happy endings on the main timeline.

Have an adventure quest for the Super Dragon Balls would be great, but that's what should've happened in Champa arc and they blew it.

Have to disagree.

It means more to search for the Super Dragon Balls to restore Future Trunks' world than to search for one Super Dragon Ball since they already had six of them just so Beerus can have the wish anyway. Also, they wouldn't even explore U6 since Champa already collected all the Super Dragon Balls in his universe, which was why he was looking in U7. It's very much a call back to when Gohan, Krillin, and Bulma went to Namek to revived their falling friends.

That's not true. They still would had to explore U6.
There's no specified rule saying that every time the Super DBs scatter, it follows a logic pattern of 3 balls in each universe and 1 ball on neutral ground.
Champa/Vados could perfectly have missed the last one in their Universe.

Having no pattern behind their scattering it's what would always make the quest exciting and hard. Especially when there would be scenarios like 5 balls in one universe and 2 in another one.

The champa arc could still have done something great even if there was only one ball missing.
Like having the last one be in Planet Salad and create a sense of conflict because of that. Not only we would explore U6, but also have a much better conclusion.

Instead they played the obvious card of having the last ball right there, which was nothing but a cheap cop out.

Even if we don't know how the Super Dragon Balls are scattered, the fact is that Champa was looking in U7 for the last Super Dragon Balls. Why would he risk getting Beerus' attention before he gathered all the Super Dragon Balls he could before his own universe. So chances are the last Super Dragon Ball wasn't in U6, especially a planet like Salad since both Champa and Vados were aware that the planet existed, yet never bothered to check if it was a Super Dragon Ball.

Also, it still comes out as pointless to go through all the trouble to look for a Super Dragon Ball only to surrender it to Beerus, who Bulma was afraid would destroy the universe. Going the Planet Namek route overall comes off as a better story than tacking a single Super Dragon Ball search after the tournament to give to an amoral god.

They've been incorporating fan fictions into it so there's nothing stopping them from incorporating game elements as well.

When you have a franchise that is over thirty years old and ended over twenty years ago, it's hard to impossible come up with ideas that are completely original. People claimed that the Multiverse tournament was a nod/stealing from Dragon Ball Multiverse, despite only the idea of a multiverse tournament being similar, whereas the set up, who was hosting, the fighters, and even how the multiverse works being completely different. And moreso, an evil version of the main character has been used in other media, especially comics, for decades, so an evil Goku isn't a fanfic since that story idea is used all the time, even by Toei years before fanfics became mainstream.

With all the said, the only idea Toriyama knowing took from another media is Bardock.

[Araki]

They've been incorporating fan fictions into it so there's nothing stopping them from incorporating game elements as well.

When you have a franchise that is over thirty years old and ended over twenty years ago, it's hard to impossible come up with ideas that are completely original. People claimed that the Multiverse tournament was a nod/stealing from Dragon Ball Multiverse, despite only the idea of a multiverse tournament being similar, whereas the set up, who was hosting, the fighters, and even how the multiverse works being completely different. And moreso, an evil version of the main character has been used in other media, especially comics, for decades, so an evil Goku isn't a fanfic since that story idea is used all the time, even by Toei years before fanfics became mainstream.

With all the said, the only idea Toriyama knowing took from another media is Bardock.

Yeah. That's like saying Star Wars, Star Trek, etc have been "incorporating fan fictions". That's ridiculous and not the case.

[sintzu]

When you have a franchise that is over thirty years old and ended over twenty years ago, it's hard to impossible come up with ideas that are completely original.

I didn't mean it in a negative way cause Goku Black looks like he's going to be a great character and I currently hope they don't kill him off at the end of his arc but my point was that if they're doing something like that then there's no reason to think they won't bring in some game elements.

[Grimlock]

Creating an evil version of the protagonist is sure either a fan-fiction or just borrowing another's idea (which obviously mean an idea of many, since we have evil versions of many characters extremely popular out there). But this could action play out quite awesome if done "properly", just by being the most original as you can be (and doing it adding the "dark" tone lost many years ago is the right move). But coloring Super Saiyan with another color is sure a bad thing, for example, tipical of fan-fiction.

[ryou766]

But coloring Super Saiyan with another color is sure a bad thing, for example, tipical of fan-fiction.

AF used to be the prime example of this.

[dbzfan7]

Leave game ideas in the games. Don't incorporate it into the actual story.

They've been incorporating fan fictions into it so there's nothing stopping them from incorporating game elements as well.

It's up to the individual to decide whether fanfiction ideas are good or bad. It just so happens this is a common bad trope in many series fan fiction made by the fans. I welcome it because it may just bring an interesting plot back into the series. Still has more potential than other ideas they've went with.

[sintzu]

But coloring Super Saiyan with another color is sure a bad thing, for example, tipical of fan-fiction.

I think Ssjg is fan fiction done right cause it had a unique way to reach it, it had a time limit, a fiery aura & it made the user a bit smaller.

Ssjb on the other hand is just a blue Ssj but at least they changes Goku and Vegeta's outfits to prevent color clashes but for some reason they went back to their old outfits and they look awful.

Although I like Ssjb I think they should've just went back to using normal Ssj or better yet, trained Ssj3 to not consume so much Ki.

[dbzfan7]

But coloring Super Saiyan with another color is sure a bad thing, for example, tipical of fan-fiction.

AF used to be the prime example of this.

Yes but you see they usually said a number behind it, like SSJ6 etc. This is totally different because they used the word god, and not a number. Automatically better.

[ryou766]

But coloring Super Saiyan with another color is sure a bad thing, for example, tipical of fan-fiction.

AF used to be the prime example of this.

Yes but you see they usually said a number behind it, like SSJ6 etc. This is totally different because they used the word god, and not a number. Automatically better.

I wouldn't doubt that there hasn't been someone to come up with "Super Saiyan God" - it's not a very unique name.

Also, off topic, but where did you get your transformation SSJ4 Goku avatar gif?

[dragonballhero]

Going off of a post I made a little while ago about helping Future Trunks restore his timeline to its former glory to end his arc once and for all, if the Dragon Team was searching for the Super Dragon Balls to to pull it off, do you all think the search should be about the scope of the Planet Namek arc, or Black Star Dragon Balls story arc of Dragon Ball GT?

[dbzfan7]

AF used to be the prime example of this.

Yes but you see they usually said a number behind it, like SSJ6 etc. This is totally different because they used the word god, and not a number. Automatically better.

I wouldn't doubt that there hasn't been someone to come up with "Super Saiyan God" - it's not a very unique name.

Also, off topic, but where did you get your transformation SSJ4 Goku avatar gif?

Probably but you see that's what some people like to argue. Doesn't have a number like most DA recolours did, so automatically better.

From a Dragon Ball Heroes short.