"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Xeztin]

Is this the same person who drew the first SSJ Goku transformation on Namek in the anime?

[Ajay]

Given the shit he and Eguchi Hisashi talked about Yamamuro Tadayoshi on Twitter I doubt he'll be working on Dragon Ball Super.

Were they talking about Super or Yamamuro personally ?

What did they say??

I believe Sato said he didn't like Yamamuro's character designs in Battle of Gods at all, and Eguchi complained about Yamamuro entirely redrawing his cut in Resurrection 'F' to the point that it barely even resembled his own work.

[dbzfan7]

I think this arc might be the return of Vegetto. I don't bet on that a whole lot, but with the green Kaioshin, that potara looking earring, and that there's no reason to defuse Kibitoshin with the Dragon Balls other then to establish it could be done, I think this might return here. Seriously last point especially makes me feel we will see Vegetto again. Why bother defusing Kibitoshin if they do nothing with Kaioshin or Kibito. I think those two might get some screen time, and I feel the defusion might set up the get out of jail free card with the normally permanent Potara earrings.

[Black_Liger]

I think this arc might be the return of Vegetto. I don't bet on that a whole lot, but with the green Kaioshin, that potara looking earring, and that there's no reason to defuse Kibitoshin with the Dragon Balls other then to establish it could be done, I think this might return here. Seriously last point especially makes me feel we will see Vegetto again. Why bother defusing Kibitoshin if they do nothing with Kaioshin or Kibito. I think those two might get some screen time, and I feel the defusion might set up the get out of jail free card with the normally permanent Potara earrings.

It's gonna be weird as fuck that ssjg Goku could destroy the universe with 3 punches, and now that he's stronger he's gonna fuse and surely there will be Super saiyan Blue Vegito who will still be weaker than Beerus. Who at the same time is weaker than Whis, who at the same time is weaker than omni king.

Well I guess Toriyama said Goku and Vegeta won't be getting stronger than Beerus, but he said nothing about Vegito

[Nejishiki]

But what if Vegetto doesn't want to be defused? I'm sure he would anyway, but we never knew how he felt about being that way, and more importantly that powerful, forever like how we knew Kibitoshin didn't enjoy the process aside from getting better.

[dbzfan7]

I think this arc might be the return of Vegetto. I don't bet on that a whole lot, but with the green Kaioshin, that potara looking earring, and that there's no reason to defuse Kibitoshin with the Dragon Balls other then to establish it could be done, I think this might return here. Seriously last point especially makes me feel we will see Vegetto again. Why bother defusing Kibitoshin if they do nothing with Kaioshin or Kibito. I think those two might get some screen time, and I feel the defusion might set up the get out of jail free card with the normally permanent Potara earrings.

It's gonna be weird as fuck that ssjg Goku could destroy the universe with 3 punches, and now that he's stronger he's gonna fuse and surely there will be Super saiyan Blue Vegito who will still be weaker than Beerus. Who at the same time is weaker than Whis, who at the same time is weaker than omni king.

Well I guess Toriyama said Goku and Vegeta won't be getting stronger than Beerus, but he said nothing about Vegito

Since when did Super care about making sense of power levels? It's all out of wack. But that's for the other thread.

I think it might happen here, but am pretty sure we will see Vegetto eventually. Either that defusion sets up something with Kaioshin, or it sets up that dragon balls can undo potara fusion.

[JulieYBM]

I believe Sato said he didn't like Yamamuro's character designs in Battle of Gods at all, and Eguchi complained about Yamamuro entirely redrawing his cut in Resurrection 'F' to the point that it barely even resembled his own work.

To say nothing of calling him a big fish in a small pond who hasn't had to improve.

[Black_Liger]

But what if Vegetto doesn't want to be defused? I'm sure he would anyway, but we never knew how he felt about being that way, and more importantly that powerful, forever like how we knew Kibitoshin didn't enjoy the process aside from getting better.

That would kinda be interesting, it would kinda mean that Fusions completely erase the fusees concience and create a new being based on their power, memories, likeness, who has his own personality as well as concience and is not actually controlled by the original beings. I mean we actually got that in Fusion reborn with the "I am neither Goku nor Vegeta"... and believe.... that line is so badass.

[Anime Kitten]

Toriyama said they're not getting stronger than Beerus, eh? I suddenly feel the need to cyber-slap him in the face.

[nite_jay]

All of this talk about Yamamuro make me wonder how Toriyama himself feels about Yamamuro's designs.

[LightBing]

I think this arc might be the return of Vegetto. I don't bet on that a whole lot, but with the green Kaioshin, that potara looking earring, and that there's no reason to defuse Kibitoshin with the Dragon Balls other then to establish it could be done, I think this might return here. Seriously last point especially makes me feel we will see Vegetto again. Why bother defusing Kibitoshin if they do nothing with Kaioshin or Kibito. I think those two might get some screen time, and I feel the defusion might set up the get out of jail free card with the normally permanent Potara earrings.

You know, I could quote you saying stuff like the Namekian Book of Legends was a throwaway line and we should ignore it. I find it odd that you theorize about stuff like this.
Anyway, what you mention isn't a set up and if it happens in this arc is one of those happy Mr.Toriyama coincidences(remember Oolong calling Goku an alien back in the day). This arc only started being written in Autumn, the September manga chapter had the de-fusion already. The timeline doesn't had up.

[dbzfan7]

I think this arc might be the return of Vegetto. I don't bet on that a whole lot, but with the green Kaioshin, that potara looking earring, and that there's no reason to defuse Kibitoshin with the Dragon Balls other then to establish it could be done, I think this might return here. Seriously last point especially makes me feel we will see Vegetto again. Why bother defusing Kibitoshin if they do nothing with Kaioshin or Kibito. I think those two might get some screen time, and I feel the defusion might set up the get out of jail free card with the normally permanent Potara earrings.

You know, I could quote you saying stuff like the Namekian Book of Legends was a throwaway line and we should ignore it. I find it odd that you theorize about stuff like this.
Anyway, what you mention isn't a set up and if it happens in this arc is one of those happy Mr.Toriyama coincidences(remember Oolong calling Goku an alien back in the day). This arc only started being written in Autumn, the September manga chapter had the de-fusion already. The timeline doesn't had up.

Hey I'm not saying it's guaranteed. It's just a stupid theory, just like the Namekian Book of Legends. I don't take it too seriously. It's totally ludicrous, just like the Goten is Goku Black theory.

[Xeztin]

If Toriyama wanted Goku and Vegeta to fuse again, but held to his word on saying he wants them to stay below Beerus, he could easily retcon it by having Beerus say "In our fight, I was just playing with you", "I didn't even transform", "The law of the universe is a God of Destruction always stays 10x ahead of the strongest being in the universe, to make sure I'm never defeated, and the attendant 5x above the God of Destruction to make sure we God's don't get out of control" etc.. Something like one of those three. That last one might actually be pretty fun, a God of Destruction's "Power" dependent upon the strongest mortal in their universe. As far as Beerus saying those lines in BOG, they could easily say Goku was no longer a mortal when he was in SSG mode, and that Beerus's power became dependent on the next strongest mortal, Vegeta or something.

[HeroR]

If Toriyama wanted Goku and Vegeta to fuse again, but held to his word on saying he wants them to stay below Beerus, he could easily retcon it by having Beerus say "In our fight, I was just playing with you", "I didn't even transform", "The law of the universe is a God of Destruction always stays 10x ahead of the strongest being in the universe, to make sure I'm never defeated, and the attendant 5x above the God of Destruction to make sure we God's don't get out of control" etc.. Something like one of those three. That last one might actually be pretty fun, a God of Destruction's "Power" dependent upon the strongest mortal in their universe. As far as Beerus saying those lines in BOG, they could easily say Goku was no longer a mortal when he was in SSG mode, and that Beerus's power became dependent on the next strongest mortal, Vegeta or something.

You doesn't even have to go that far. Vegetto isn't Goku and Vegeta, just as Gotenks isn't Trunks and Goten. When a fusion is done they become a new person with traits of the two fused characters. The Supreme Kais and the Namekian fusion are the only exceptions since one person is obviously the dominate personality. So Vegetto could be stronger than Beerus without going against Toriyama's statement, especially since neither Goku nor Vegeta see Vegetto as themselves and they really don't want to fuse again. Even if Vegetto was stronger, Goku and Vegeta wouldn't count that as surpassing Beerus, just as Goku didn't like that he couldn't beat Buu by himself, despite being able to stomp him if he fused with Vegeta.

[Konig]

Toriyama said they're not getting stronger than Beerus, eh? I suddenly feel the need to cyber-slap him in the face.

I believe he was talking to Goku and Vegeta individually, and not their hypothetical and temporary fusion (let's face it, Vegetto would later be defused somehow). So I think Vegetto is still a possibility in this or some arc in the near future.

[Nekis13]

Man, I still wish for Gogeta to make an appearance.

[SaiyaSith]

Toriyama said they're not getting stronger than Beerus, eh? I suddenly feel the need to cyber-slap him in the face.

He was asked if he has any plans to make Goku stronger than Beerus and he said not at the moment. It does mean they'll never get stronger.

[Pannaliciour]

Toriyama said they're not getting stronger than Beerus, eh? I suddenly feel the need to cyber-slap him in the face.

He was asked if he has any plans to make Goku stronger than Beerus and he said not at the moment. It does mean they'll never get stronger.

Toriyama also said Goku is a 6 Beerus is 10 and Whis a 15. So kaio ken times 10 should be above Whis right? So all I am saying we should take the words of Toriyama with a grain of salt. He could mislead us or change his plans because Toei want Goku or Vegeta to get stronger.

[SaiyaSith]

Toriyama said they're not getting stronger than Beerus, eh? I suddenly feel the need to cyber-slap him in the face.

He was asked if he has any plans to make Goku stronger than Beerus and he said not at the moment. It does mean they'll never get stronger.

Toriyama also said Goku is a 6 Beerus is 10 and Whis a 15. So kaio ken times 10 should be above Whis right? So all I am saying we should take the words of Toriyama with a grain of salt. He could mislead us or change his plans because Toei want Goku or Vegeta to get stronger.

In my comment I accidentally said "does" instead of "doesn't". I can't seem to edit it, not sure why.

[sailorspazz]

But what if Vegetto doesn't want to be defused? I'm sure he would anyway, but we never knew how he felt about being that way, and more importantly that powerful, forever like how we knew Kibitoshin didn't enjoy the process aside from getting better.

Even if he didn't want to defuse, I'm sure his wives would insist upon it Bulma would just gather up the Dragon Balls and make the wish behind his back...of course, since there is precedent for it being possible for characters to refuse wishes that affect them (when they tried to wish Gokuu back to Earth after the Freeza arc and he said no), would be an interesting scenario if Vegetto declined to be un-fused...