Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[Mjb1985]

Also General Blue and Kuririn did fight if you weren't aware. Also Roshi states that Goku from the 21st Budokai probably couldn't beat the Mummy.

[Kamiccolo9]

Also General Blue and Kuririn did fight if you weren't aware.

Yes, but for the most part, it looked like he was holding his own against Krillin even before resorting to his psychic powers, so they should be pretty close. His psychic powers just pushed him ahead.
Wasn't aware of the quote about the mummy though. I'll go and change that later. Thanks!

[Mjb1985]

Oh ok I wasn't sure you were aware of that. I'd say General Blue definitely had a solid advantge , I think the only thing Kuririn ever did was use the after image to land a hit , I don't think General Blue needed to use his psychic powers at all to beat Kuririn. But no biggie. Just don't forget that the Goku who fought General Blue is stronger than the Goku who fought Jackie Chun.

[TheMightyOzaru]

By all means man chuckle all you want. It's just a power level list . It's not meant to be taken so seriously dude.

And yes I changed not only the guidebook numbers but any manga number that couldn't fit in with my scale. It's only loosely based off of manga scouter numbers.

If you ignore the manga you shouldn't have made it in the first place.

[Mjb1985]

I didn't ignore all of the scouter numbers. Just the ones that I didn't feel would work with my interpretation. Chill out man it's just for fun! That's why it's in the fan created works section!

[TheMightyOzaru]

I didn't ignore all of the scouter numbers. Just the ones that I didn't feel would work with my interpretation. Chill out man it's just for fun! That's why it's in the fan created works section!

I'm not mad at all... i'm just confused that you would bother making a list that ignores manga numbers. The point of making these lists is yes to have fun but also try and make it as accurate as possible. You aint doin' that when you ignore official levels stated in the manga.

[Mjb1985]

Na I was just looking for something to amuse myself with. I wanted to try a " what if I just went by power statements " list. I ended up including some scouter numbers but that wasn't my intention. I wanted to just start from scratch and see what it turned out as . You don't have to be so serious man just trying to have some fun.

[TheMightyOzaru]

It's an interesting approach to say the least but even then your levels seem a little too high. in Battle of Gods Birusu says Goku doesn't seem strong enough to beat Freeza and this was in front of a Goku that was training prior. This would mean more than 50% of his power was showing. Base Goku shouldn't be any higher than 180,000,000 based on this statement. Or in your case it should be decently lower than 480,000,000.

[Mjb1985]

This list doesn't include that movie or any of the logic that came from the movie. I haven't seen the movie and I haven't been following DB a lot lately.

I chose my placement on the Base Saiyans based on Trunks ability to fight 18 in the suit. The Base Saiyans overall confidence going into the Budokai. Trunks fight with Future Imperfect Cell. And the general placement just ended up being in that area. I feel more comfortable having the Base Saiyans in the gap between 17 and 16.

That's just how I roll!

[Kaboom]

Let's not harass people for how they craft their stuff, please. There's nothing wrong with a more experimental "let's see what happens if I do this" approach to PL lists. I've been considering doing one myself. It only becomes an issue when someone gets an ego about it and starts claiming their numbers are more "factually correct" than Toriyama's, or something bogus like that.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I suppose that is true.

[RandomGuy96]

I was just thinking: is there any evidence that Fat Buu is stronger than his parts, Evil Buu and Good Buu? The former SHOULD be basically Pure Buu's power + any power pure evil can gain from the South Kaioshin, which should make him a lot stronger than Fat Buu. The latter should be just the Dai Kaioshin's power. In my new list, I'm actually thinking about having Good Buu twice as strong as Fat Buu, and Evil Buu even stronger than that... or at least the power Fat Buu could use without splitting. Basically because this is how I see it:

Kid Buu = Unrestricted Pure Buu power.
Fat Buu = Heavily Restricted Pure Buu power + Sealed Dai Kaioshin power + Sealed South Kaioshin power.
Evil Buu = Unrestricted Pure Buu power + any evil South Kaioshin power.
Good Buu = Unrestrained Dai Kaioshin power + Sealed South Kaioshin power.
Super Buu = Slightly Restrained Pure Buu power + Slightly Restrained South Kaioshin power + Sealed Dai Kaioshin power.
Buff Buu = Unrestrained Pure Buu power + Unrestrained South Kaioshin power.

...don't know why Southie's power would be sealed in Good Buu's case, but it's the only good reason I can think of. Otherwise Good Buu would shit all over Kid Buu.

[Godo]

Here are my (half-assed) powerlevels, not following the official levels at all (well maybe a little).
If official power levels get you off, maybe this isn't your thing.
They are by no means serious.

A teenage chick and a bushboy

Average human: 5
Goku: 10
Bulma: 2,5
Big Fish: 5
Filler Sabertooth Tiger: 5,5
Bear Bandit: 6
Pterodactyl: 5
Monkeys in the first page: 2 each
Kame Sennin (chillin'): 40
Yamcha: 8,5
Oolong and Puar: Who cares?


Three unlikely partners and their intense hunt for balls

Pilaf, Shuu, Mai: Who cares?
Mai's fashion choice: Awful
Pilaf's perversion score (1-10): 2
Oozaru Goku: 100


Mount Cooking Utensil

Ox-king: 80
Chi-chi: 6
Bulma (rabbit suit): 5
Boob-eyed Yamcha: 2,000 but unable to focus his ki
Kame Sennin (on 'roids Kamehameha): 100


Martial Arts Training Extreme Hell

Goku: 12
Krillin: 8,5

Launch(base): 2,5
---Launch (SSj): 10

Kame Sennin (chillaxed): 40
---Kame Sennin (horny): 0,00001 (guess which point all his ki goes to...)


The 21st Martial Arts Tournament (spinal injuries and memory loss free of charge!)

Goku: 60
---Oozaru Goku: 600

Krillin: 45
Yamcha: 25
Nam: 50
Giran: 35
Bacterian: Hasn't taken a bath since he was born
Ranfan: 7

Jackie Chun (ridin' slo'): 45
---Jackie Chun (gonna get the brat to know his place): 60 and tons of wisdom and experience


An independent army aiming for world domination in the name of tall stature

Goku: 70
Colonel Silver: 12,5
Sergeant Metallic: 80

Ninja Murasaki: Too weak
---Ninja Murasaki (Stick up his butt): Priceless
----Ninja Murasaki (shuriken in face): Okay, 12.

Android 8: 100
Android 9: 500
Android 10: 1,000
Android 11: 10,000
Android 12: 200,000

Buyon: 80
Colonel White: 8,5
Krillin: 60
General Blue: 70
General Blue disgusted by Bulma's ass: 2


Kittycat tower

Bora: 30
Tao Pai Pai: 120
Karin the kittycat: 180
Goku(Post Karin Training): 140
General Black: 20


The Bitchy Witch Saga

Krillin: 70
Yamcha: 50

Invisible Man: 25
Mummy Man: 60
Akuman: 100
Rockman: 2,500
---Rockman X: 10,000

Goku: 140
Grandpa Gohan: 140
Urunai Baba: 200,000


The 22nd Martial Arts Tournament (Now comes free with concussions!)

Goku: 200
Krillin: 140
Yamcha: 120
Jackie Chun: 140
Tsufuru Sennin: 120
Tenshinhan: 200

Chaozu: 110
---Chaozu's IQ: 50

King Chapa: 90
---King Chapa's pride: crushed

Panputto: 20


Attack of the filthy spawn of the Demon Lord

Goku(Fatigued): 100
---Goku (un-fatigued): 220

Tambourine: 140

Yajirobe (fat): 180
---Yajirobe (soldier pill no. 3): 2,000,000

Cymbal: 150

King Piccolo(Old): 250
---King Piccolo (young): 300
----King Piccolo (adolescent): 400
-----King Piccolo (fetus): 2


The Lord of destruction has came back from his slumber and only Goku can defeat him with his newly acquired form (huh, sounds familiar).

Goku(Post Super Duper God Water Power Level Up): 300
Drum: 250
Tenshinhan: 200. C'mon, some aim-training doesn't make you stronger. Okay 205 then.
King Piccolo: 300
Mr Popo: 4,000 and rising
Kami: 350


The 23rd Martial Arts Tournament (Absence of demons not guaranteed!)

Goku (chillin' relaxin' maxin' all cool): 210
---Goku (off with his weights, still chillin'): 250
----Goku (off with his INHIBITIONS): 410
-----Goku revealing that he is able to fly: AWESOOOOME

Tenshinhan: 225
---Tenshinhan (without pants): 50

Krillin: 190

Yamcha: 160
---Yamcha (footwork [1-10]): 4

Cyborg Tao: 200
---Android Tao: 250
----Robo Tao: 100

Chi Chi: 110

Chaozu: 115
---Mecha Chaozu: 2,500

Piccolo (supressed): 210
---Piccolo (full power): 400
----Piccolo the green giant: Still 400

Announcer Guy: Balls the size of Jupiter

[Kamiccolo9]

Here are my levels for the
Saiyan Arc
1. Goku (Initial Weighted)-334. The reason he is lower than in the previous arc is because he is still wearing his weighted clothing.
2. Goku (Initial)-416. Goku unweighted.
3. Goku (Kamehameha)-924+. I treat this as additive rather than multiplicative. This lets me avoid inconsistencies later on in the fights with Vegeta and Freeza.
4. Goku (Revived)-8,000+. Stated to be “Over 8,000” when he finishes powering up.
5. Goku (Kaioken)-16,000, (Kaioken x2) 16,000, (Kaiokenx3) 24,000, (Kaioken x4) 32,000. Kaioken and Kaioken x2 are the same thing. The “x2” only comes in when introducing the “x3.”
6. Piccolo (Initial Weighted)-322. Same reason for being lower as Goku.
7. Piccolo (Initial)-408. Piccolo unweighted.
8. Piccolo (Makankosappo)-1330-1440. Same as with the Kamehameha; I treat this as additive rather than multiplicative.
9. Piccolo (Fight with Nappa)- 3,500. Number given in Daizenshuu. Provides precident for Piccolo making large gains with relatively ineffectual training.
10. Gohan (Initial)-1.
11. Gohan (Initial Enraged)-1,370+. Enough to seriousl injure Raditz.
12. Gohan (Oozaru) (Training)-13,370. I just multiplied his enraged power by 10. If it was just his “face power,” Piccolo should have been able to restrain him easily.
13. Gohan (Fight against the Saiyans, Using Masenko)-2,800+. His initial ki is suppressed, so we don’t know how strong he is. I would place him around 1,500, but that’s just me.
14. Gohan (Oozaru against Vegeta)-15,000. Normally Vegeta would be able to handle him with no problem, but due to being extremely weakened by the fight, he gets squashed.
15. Krillin-1,770. All of the Earthlings are now much stronger after training with Kami.
16. Tenshinhan-1,830.
17. Chiaotzu-610.
18. Yamcha-1,480.
19. Yajirobe-970.
20. Mr. Popo-1,030. The Daizenshuu has him at this number. I see it working only if it refers to this time period.
21. Raditz-1,500. The number given in the Daizenshuu. He is weakened by Gohan’s attack due to being caught off guard, and is finished off by the drill-like Makankosappo.
22. Saibamen-1,200 each. They rival Raditz, but lack the intelligence of a Saiyan warrior.
23. Nappa -4,000.
24. Nappa (Calm)-4,000. Somewhat able to fight with Goku due to his massive endurance, but was totally unable to inflict any damage. Was scared of an approaching power of 5,000.
25. Vegeta -18,000.
26. Vegeta (Galick Gun)-24,000. Was equal to Goku’s Kaioken x3 Kamehameha. Galick Gun raises Battle Power like the Kamehameha did.
27. Vegeta (Oozaru Full Power)-180,000. We never actually saw this though. Vegeta didn’t transform until after being hit by Goku’s Kaioken x4 Kamehameha and using up much of his own energy creating the power ball. So what we actually got was…
28. Vegeta (Weakened Oozaru)-50,000. I had Vegeta being heavily weakened to about 5,000 after being hit by the Kamehameha and creating his power ball. Still able to crush the weakened Goku and his friends.

[RandomGuy96]

I'm a guidebook supporter, but I still have trouble swallowing Piccolo's number. He was definitely not portrayed as Nappa's equal and enraged Gohan's superior. I think 2,500 just makes more sense all around- he still has a healthy lead on the humans (quite impressive, since he didn't get to train with god) but is still weaker than enraged Gohan and not on Nappa's level.

[Mjb1985]

Yea I would agree with that. Generally I place Piccolo in a 2,000 - 2,250 kind of range.

[Kaboom]

On the flipside, Piccolo did seem the closest to Nappa out of all the non-Goku combatants. His surprise blast to Nappa's back did more damage and visibly hurt the big lug more than Kuririn's Saibaimen-killer attack or even Gohan's anger-boosted Masenko.

[RandomGuy96]

That doesn't really require him to be anywhere close to Nappa. Also, Nappa one-shots him twice... I don't think he could do that to someone who is almost his equal.

[Kamiccolo9]

That doesn't really require him to be anywhere close to Nappa. Also, Nappa one-shots him twice... I don't think he could do that to someone who is almost his equal.

Well, the first is an unguarded elbow to the back of the head. Vegeta does something similar to Goku in the Buu Arc, and takes him out with one hit. The other time was after he had been weakened throughout the fight, and it was obvious that he cared more about Gohan's safety than his own. It's possible that he just didn't have enough time to both protect Gohan and prepare himself to resist the attack.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Nappa also has strength on his side. It's already bad that Piccolo has less Ki but Nappa's strength really puts him over the edge and allows him to swat Piccolo away.