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Beji wrote:
But that just leads me to thinking he isn't a fighter or at least not a strong one. He looks starved and such as well. Does he really look like something that can take down a ssj with power?
Never judge a book by it's cover . We still know very little about the movie and he could be very powerful as long we know. I think some people are just butt hurt that we are getting something different then the typical big muscular character or another Saiyajin. I'm glad it's not another muscular character since we had enough of them with characters like Bojack, Broly and Super 13.
NeoKING wrote:Nah, Toriyama just draws everything skinny these days.
His recent Goku design pretty much confirms that.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
But his eyes are not in the "bad guy" style, and when he was in his Ultimate state, his eyes were literally always like that. His bang also changed. But after the fight, his eyes & bang returned to normal, so he wasn't in the Ultimate state at that time.
They kinda still are. You see, Gohan prior to the ritual had his eyes and eyebrows drawn apart when giving a happy expression:
Post-ritual Gohan will have them drawn attached to each other:
NeoKING wrote:Nah, Toriyama just draws everything skinny these days.
His recent Goku design pretty much confirms that.
Uhm...no, it really doesn't. It's a simple sketch.
I also don't think the strenght of the Anubis rabbit look-a-like should be judged by how skinny he is. Doing that is like getting a zero power level reading on a scouter pointed at Uub and trying to effortlessly flick him away.
NeoKING wrote:Nah, Toriyama just draws everything skinny these days.
His recent Goku design pretty much confirms that.
Uhm...no, it really doesn't. It's a simple sketch.
I also don't think the strenght of the Anubis rabbit look-a-like should be judged by how skinny he is. Doing that is like getting a zero power level reading on a scouter pointed at Uub and trying to effortlessly flick him away.
Simple or not, it isn't hard to add a little bulk to Goku. I have gone to people who do a bulkier Goku in short sketches. It was how Toriyama pictured Goku.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
But his eyes are not in the "bad guy" style, and when he was in his Ultimate state, his eyes were literally always like that. His bang also changed. But after the fight, his eyes & bang returned to normal, so he wasn't in the Ultimate state at that time.
They kinda still are. You see, Gohan prior to the ritual had his eyes and eyebrows drawn apart when giving a happy expression:
Post-ritual Gohan will have them drawn attached to each other:
Wow, never noticed that before. Then this could be a side-effect of the ritual. He lost 2 out of 3 characteristics, though. So the form still isn't nessesarily permanent.
But still, even if it really was permanent, then Gohan would still need to power-up like he did in Movie 13, since he had his power suppressed in his every-day life. Much like when he & Goku were living normally as Super Saiyans before the Cell Games, but still had to power-up against Cell.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Now that I'm pretty sure it's a cat, I can't help but think of fun/silly youtube cat videos and of the way Goku defeats Neko Majin.
Well, if these bad guys can do things like shrink Pilaf's gang to tiny-size, I hope we get to see some crazy magic spells, reality-warping, magical zones, and curses they can perform on the main characters.
Definitely looks like the Egyptian cat god Anubis.
Why the hell does it show Gohan as a Super Saiyan? And Super Saiyan Trunks's hair is more like SSj long haired future Trunks too.
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I wipe it off the tile, the light is brighter this time, everything is 3D blasphemy.
My eyes are red and gold, the hair is standing straight up, this is not the way I picture me.
I can't control my shakes, how the hell did I get here? Something about this, so very wrong.
I have to laugh out loud, I wish I didn't like this. Is it a dream or a memory?
Ah, the Alpha and the Omega. As all life was created from Chaos...so shall it be DESTROYED!!!
The wails of machines | Singing cold harmony | Shifting air upward | Entranced by the breeze | Light pours like blood | Into a cosmic sea | Of stars crystallized | In a frozen symphony
Toonami97 wrote:That's a good Question. WHY are most anime Characters skinny these days? Is there no maliness at all anymore?
Also I think that character is just A opponent, Not THE opponent
It's simply Toriyama's style now. He's always done goofey stuff with his mangas, and almost all his more recent manga characters are thin and frail-looking. It gives appeal to a wider audience if the characters have a kiddy look than characters who look like juice-heads.
The issue I have is that no anime characters are really well built now, so I agree with you. Even the ones we know fight and work out a lot. Naruto to me is too skinny for the shit he does as is Luffy. It's simply a case of manga "artists" not wanting to draw muscle definition. And I put artists in quotations because in real honesty, most manga artists couldn't draw their way out of a paper bag.
Except Anubis isn't a cat.
Indeed. Mybad. He's a Jackal
I wipe it off the tile, the light is brighter this time, everything is 3D blasphemy.
My eyes are red and gold, the hair is standing straight up, this is not the way I picture me.
I can't control my shakes, how the hell did I get here? Something about this, so very wrong.
I have to laugh out loud, I wish I didn't like this. Is it a dream or a memory?
Ketchup_Revenge wrote: And I put artists in quotations because in real honesty, most manga artists couldn't draw their way out of a paper bag.
In their defense, if I was trapped in a paper bag the last thing I'd want to do is draw.
Plus, I always thought the reason Luffy and Nartuo where skinny was because they were young. Like mid to late teens, where muscle definition isn't really a thing. I don't really watch the shows, so I could be way off with this. But I believe Naruto was 16 when the series started. Right?
In regards to Dragonball and specifically this new villain, I think the skinniness has to do with the way a jackal actually looks. Plus Egyptian art doesn't exactly portray their male characters as Super Buff. As for Goku and the others, I kind of like how they've slimmed down a bit. They look more like martial artists rather than body builders.
I'm not a Naruto fan by any means, but I believe he was around 12/13 years of age when it started, unless your referring to Shippuden, then you'd be correct.
Cipher wrote:Also, you can seriously like whatever and still get laid. That's a revelation that'll hit you at some point.
Jackal puFF wrote:It looks like there's going to be a tournament
Where is the tournament?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
. We still know very little about the movie and he could be very powerful as long we know. I think some people are just butt hurt that we are getting something different then the typical big muscular character or another Saiyajin. I'm glad it's not another muscular character since we had enough of them with characters like Bojack, Broly and Super 13.
