ToshioWrites wrote:Based on the end of episode 121 i don't think the anime will write Jiren the way the manga has. I can't image the manga version of Jiren mocking u7 about them never winning a battle again since he was willing to skip out so that he wouldn't cause universes destruction
I think the anime is going for Jiren (and the Pirde Troopers in general) being a deconstruction of a Superhero(s), while the manga is playing it straight.
Really,seems to me that they are turning everyone that faces U6/U7 into a asshole,to make the protagonist and deuteragonist look good.I would prefer if manga keeps a variety of personalities and especially play U2 straight.
I'm leaning towards this idea myself. It seems more likely that Toei feels the need to paint the antagonists in a relatively negative light so that the intended viewer demographic will better know who to root for. I mean, in the manga, Jiren seems to be a much better person than his stoic anime counterpart. Toppo is nicer and more respectful to Goku, too, not just being a flanderised justice man.
Perhaps Toriyama is doing the thing from the Zamas arc again where he's trying to make a "deeper" antagonist; and this time it's not some warped sense of justice, it's actually good versus good; and so Toyo and Toei have approached this idea in different ways.
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Lord Beerus wrote:
I think the anime is going for Jiren (and the Pirde Troopers in general) being a deconstruction of a Superhero(s), while the manga is playing it straight.
Really,seems to me that they are turning everyone that faces U6/U7 into a asshole,to make the protagonist and deuteragonist look good.I would prefer if manga keeps a variety of personalities and especially play U2 straight.
I'm leaning towards this idea myself. It seems more likely that Toei feels the need to paint the antagonists in a relatively negative light so that the intended viewer demographic will better know who to root for. I mean, in the manga, Jiren seems to be a much better person than his stoic anime counterpart. Toppo is nicer and more respectful to Goku, too, not just being a flanderised justice man.
Perhaps Toriyama is doing the thing from the Zamas arc again where he's trying to make a "deeper" antagonist; and this time it's not some warped sense of justice, it's actually good versus good; and so Toyo and Toei have approached this idea in different ways.
It’s almost as if the anime is written in a way to ensure elementary school kids get it.
Hawk9211 wrote:
Really,seems to me that they are turning everyone that faces U6/U7 into a asshole,to make the protagonist and deuteragonist look good.I would prefer if manga keeps a variety of personalities and especially play U2 straight.
I'm leaning towards this idea myself. It seems more likely that Toei feels the need to paint the antagonists in a relatively negative light so that the intended viewer demographic will better know who to root for. I mean, in the manga, Jiren seems to be a much better person than his stoic anime counterpart. Toppo is nicer and more respectful to Goku, too, not just being a flanderised justice man.
Perhaps Toriyama is doing the thing from the Zamas arc again where he's trying to make a "deeper" antagonist; and this time it's not some warped sense of justice, it's actually good versus good; and so Toyo and Toei have approached this idea in different ways.
It’s almost as if the anime is written in a way to ensure elementary school kids get it.
Are we going to forget that Dragon Ball's main demographic has always been young Japanese boys?
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Alruneia wrote:
I'm leaning towards this idea myself. It seems more likely that Toei feels the need to paint the antagonists in a relatively negative light so that the intended viewer demographic will better know who to root for. I mean, in the manga, Jiren seems to be a much better person than his stoic anime counterpart. Toppo is nicer and more respectful to Goku, too, not just being a flanderised justice man.
Perhaps Toriyama is doing the thing from the Zamas arc again where he's trying to make a "deeper" antagonist; and this time it's not some warped sense of justice, it's actually good versus good; and so Toyo and Toei have approached this idea in different ways.
It’s almost as if the anime is written in a way to ensure elementary school kids get it.
Are we going to forget that Dragon Ball's main demographic has always been young Japanese boys?
I think it’s fair to say it had more of a scope and range. It’s similar to the Harry Potter series where it’s themes seemed to mature as both the audience and the protagonist matured in universe.
TheMikado wrote:
It’s almost as if the anime is written in a way to ensure elementary school kids get it.
Are we going to forget that Dragon Ball's main demographic has always been young Japanese boys?
I think it’s fair to say it had more of a scope and range. It’s similar to the Harry Potter series where it’s themes seemed to mature as both the audience and the protagonist matured in universe.
My argument still stands shonen are mostly read by teenagers and middle aged.Now,dragon ball may be read by teenagers or even children but it always had a wide range.At the start,it viewers may be teenagers only or even children but after ten years of serialization and a decade after that is the audience boys only?Now,I am not saying they should turn into a seinen,all I was saying is that adult audience will like the story to be a little adult themed or complex,which can be done without changing the general e.g. dragon ball.I could even give you examples from american child shows like avatar legend of air bender[spoiler]Highly recommended,https://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&rct= ... cKjwjzZJDX[/spoiler].Not to mention consistency and creativity has nothing to be with age.
Why power levels are important?
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Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
We've seen U11 and U7's strategies in the last chapters... It'd really be awesome if Toyo showed how every other Universe is going to prepare for this tournament.
Zamasu55 wrote:We've seen U11 and U7's strategies in the last chapters... It'd really be awesome if Toyo showed how every other Universe is going to prepare for this tournament.
We haven't even see strategies from both universes,aren't you talking about screentime.
I feel like this thread is not active as they used to
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Noah wrote:
This thread is only active when we got leaks to discuss about it, I thought everyone knew that.
Referring when the leaks come out,there not as active compared to the FT trunks,i remember even when the full chapter is out,people still the comparison manga and anime.
Alruneia wrote:
I'm leaning towards this idea myself. It seems more likely that Toei feels the need to paint the antagonists in a relatively negative light so that the intended viewer demographic will better know who to root for. I mean, in the manga, Jiren seems to be a much better person than his stoic anime counterpart. Toppo is nicer and more respectful to Goku, too, not just being a flanderised justice man.
Perhaps Toriyama is doing the thing from the Zamas arc again where he's trying to make a "deeper" antagonist; and this time it's not some warped sense of justice, it's actually good versus good; and so Toyo and Toei have approached this idea in different ways.
It’s almost as if the anime is written in a way to ensure elementary school kids get it.
Are we going to forget that Dragon Ball's main demographic has always been young Japanese boys?
I don't get that argument at all. Are you saying the same demographic 20 years ago is dumber today? There is obviously a different tone in narrative and dialogue, not to mention more focus on slapstick "comedy". So either they are targeting a younger audience or the same audience has gotten dumber.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Hawk9211 wrote:The next chapter will release on Jan 21?
Since January 21st is on a Sunday, it's gonna be released a little sooner, I think. The 21st is normally the correct release date though.
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Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
I didn't see any one mention the 10 years since Cell died line. Like always it's vague but it let's us room for speculation, specially with Oob's odd inclusion this chapter. Maybe Toyotarõ knows what's in the future and is setting up/teasing us.
LightBing wrote:Maybe Toyotarõ knows what's in the future and is setting up/teasing us.
He works closely with Toriyama so I wouldn't be surprised if they have some vague outline of how Super will play out from now till it ends. DB as a whole will continue beyond EOZ but I think that's where Toriyama will stop.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
LightBing wrote:Maybe Toyotarõ knows what's in the future and is setting up/teasing us.
He works closely with Toriyama so I wouldn't be surprised if they have some vague outline of how Super will play out from now till it ends. I do think DB as a whole will continue beyond EOZ but that's where Toriyama will stop.
Why do you think that? I don't see any reason for Mr.Toriyama to want to stop. My impression is that he's pretty happy with the current arrangement.
The last chapters of the manga were him forcefully concluding the story because of non-artistic reasons.
LightBing wrote:I didn't see any one mention the 10 years since Cell died line. Like always it's vague but it let's us room for speculation, specially with Oob's odd inclusion this chapter. Maybe Toyotarõ knows what's in the future and is setting up/teasing us.
Where are you getting 10 years since Cell? It's at least 13. We're in Age 780 possibly 781.
LightBing wrote:I didn't see any one mention the 10 years since Cell died line. Like always it's vague but it let's us room for speculation, specially with Oob's odd inclusion this chapter. Maybe Toyotarõ knows what's in the future and is setting up/teasing us.
Where are you getting 10 years since Cell? It's at least 13. We're in Age 780 possibly 781.
I meant over 10 years as said by Mr.Satan. How did you come up with that number?
LightBing wrote:I didn't see any one mention the 10 years since Cell died line. Like always it's vague but it let's us room for speculation, specially with Oob's odd inclusion this chapter. Maybe Toyotarõ knows what's in the future and is setting up/teasing us.
Where are you getting 10 years since Cell? It's at least 13. We're in Age 780 possibly 781.
I meant over 10 years as said by Mr.Satan. How did you come up with that number?
TheMikado wrote:
It’s almost as if the anime is written in a way to ensure elementary school kids get it.
Are we going to forget that Dragon Ball's main demographic has always been young Japanese boys?
I think it’s fair to say it had more of a scope and range. It’s similar to the Harry Potter series where it’s themes seemed to mature as both the audience and the protagonist matured in universe.
Not really. Dragon ball z is considered a kid show in the west.
