The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by supercat » Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:05 pm

supercat wrote:Not only does Freeza manipulate his ki to increase his defenses, his body is also equipped with physical durability that enables him to withstand levels of brutality that most other beings couldn't conceive of withstanding. This is evidenced by his ability to tank Namek's explosion, despite being beaten to the brink of his life and likely having all of his ki depleted.

Nam taking a hit from Ranfan is pretty akin to Sorbet bringing Goku down with a mere laser. Both Goku and Ranfan don't have the same level of physical durability as Freeza, and thus both are vulnerable when caught off guard.
-I have Piccolo somewhere between Perfect Cell / Cell Jr. and Super Perfect Cell by EoZ, so I'd say he doesn't quite have what it takes to trump the over hyped legend.

-Remember what Vegeta did to Cui? Basically the same outcome except Tullece would probably get the job done a lot quicker.

-Pleased at the prospect of beating down a Namekian, Ginyu eagerly steps into battle. Without even bothering to raise his ki, the captain casually charges at his opponent and unleashes a fury of punches and kicks. Seeing that his attacks had zero effect, he begins to tremble with apprehension. Although shocked that a mere Namekian could wield such impressive levels of power, the proud captain is far from surrendering. He immediately taps into the depths of his own power and prepares himself for round two. He starts off by firing a deadly blast straight at his opponent. Unconcerned, Slug casually slaps the attack away as if it were a beach ball. Not wasting a second, Ginyu vanishes and reappears in front of Slug and begins throwing a series of powerful punches. However, the evil Namekian casually maneuvers past each devastating blow.

Deeming Ginyu as a complete waste of time, Slug blasts him in the chest and sends him skidding on his back. Angered at how badly he's losing, the captain decides to go for broke. Despite despising the very thought of inhabiting a Namekian body, he realizes that he's left with no other option. He quickly lift his arms up and yells "Change NOW!!!!"

Thinking that this is another desperate struggle for survival, Slug confidently stands where is, ready to tank whatever his pathetic opponent has left to dish out. Before he could think further, he sees a peculiar wave of energy heading his way. Sensing an odd presence within the attack, Slug immediately return fires with his own ki blast and sends the unusual looking attack back at Ginyu while incinerating him in the process.

-Oozaru Raditz: 12,000 - 15,000
Zarbon: 22,000 - 23,000

Zarbon makes quick work of the giant ape.

-Depends on what particular time frame you're referring to. If this is Krillin immediately after having his potential unlocked, then Vegeta wins with moderate levels of difficulty. However, if Krillin has access to the power he wielded against Second Form Frieza, then expect another tearful moment for Vegeta.

During their confrontation with Frieza, Krillin should be more less in the neighborhood of 75,000 if not higher.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Doctor. » Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:07 pm

Oozaru Raditz vs Kuririn post-potential unlock
Goku, Namek (x20 Kaioken available) vs Yamcha (EoZ with Kaioken x20).

If Yamcha gets destroyed, add Tenshinhan with Kaioken x10. If Goku loses to Yamcha, make it SS Goku.

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Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:11 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Goku's battle power was at 30.000 in M3 without Kaio-ken, and Tullece was stronger than KKx10 Goku. Kiwi doesn't stand a chance.
30,000 and skyrocketing. Not 30,000. I also think the match was pre-fruit Tullece, not post-fruit.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Captain Space » Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:15 pm

Doctor. wrote:Oozaru Raditz vs Kuririn post-potential unlock
Goku, Namek (x20 Kaioken available) vs Yamcha (EoZ with Kaioken x20).

If Yamcha gets destroyed, add Tenshinhan with Kaioken x10. If Goku loses to Yamcha, make it SS Goku.
Krillin is almost on the level of Oozaru Raditz's strength from the get-go, and much, much faster, so I'd say Krillin wins.

Well, Yamcha hadn't really trained since the Cell Games, so this is a 17-years-without-really-fighting Yamcha. I think Goku beats him. EoZ Tenshinhan with Kaioken x10 should be far above this Goku though.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:18 pm

Doctor. wrote:Oozaru Raditz vs Kuririn post-potential unlock
Goku, Namek (x20 Kaioken available) vs Yamcha (EoZ with Kaioken x20).

If Yamcha gets destroyed, add Tenshinhan with Kaioken x10. If Goku loses to Yamcha, make it SS Goku.
- Krillin and Oozaru Raditz are pretty close in terms of BP at this stage. But I'd expect Krillin to be more cunning in battle and Solar Flare Oozaru Raditz, cut his tail off and then kicks Raditz's ass.
- If this pre-Zenkai Namek Goku, Goku gets his ass handed to him by Yamcha. Then he becomes a SSJ and slaughters Yamcha. But if this post-Zenkai Goku, he crushes Yamcha. But of course, if we're throwing in Tenshinhan with Kaioken x10 into the mix, then Goku loses

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by supercat » Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:23 pm

AvatarReiko wrote:Imperfect Cell(Post-Humans) vs Kamiccolo(fresh), SSJ Goku, SSJ Vegeta, 17 & 18

Note:Goku and Vegeta are Pre-ROSAT

Kamiccolo(Cell Games) vs SSJ Vegeta(Cell Games)

Krillin's Kienzen(Saiyan Saga) vs SSJ Vegetto Does Vegetto survive?
-Imperfect Cell should be able to quickly dispatch everyone in that group without much trouble. At this point, Goku and Vegeta would be complete fodders, so it would basically boil down to 17, 18, and Piccolo vs the biological android. Although the Namekian would be fresh this time around, I'd say the end result would pretty much be the same as they were in the original timeline.

-After spending two excruciatingly painful years in the RoSaT, the proud prince triumphantly crushes his Namekian ally.

-Upon making contact with Vegetto, the Kienzen deteriorates.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:33 pm

Didn't think this needed it's own thread. So I decided to bring it up here.
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What’s the relationship between Beerus and Freeza?
Even Freeza is no match for the God of Destruction Beerus, no matter what he does! Since they both destroy stuff, they got along reasonably well, but one time Freeza had his clock cleaned when he got carried away and made Beerus angry.
I'm thinking he means that Freeza at the time can't do shit to Beerus no matter what he does. Or is this really implying that no amount of training from Freeza will ever reach Beerus' level?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by supercat » Sun Jul 19, 2015 1:52 am

Lord Beerus wrote:Some matchups, ladies and germs:
- Piccolo (EOZ) vs Movie 8 LSSJ Broly
- Cui vs Tullece
- Young Lord Slug vs Captain Ginyu
- Ozaru Raditz vs Zarbon (No monster form)
- Krillin (Post Unlocked Potential) vs Vegeta (Saiyan arc)
Posting this again. Accidentally quoted the wrong post earlier.

Piccolo (EOZ) vs Movie 8 LSSJ Broly

I have Piccolo somewhere between Perfect Cell / Cell Jr. and Super Perfect Cell by EoZ, so I'd say he doesn't quite have what it takes to trump the over hyped legend.

Cui vs Tullece

Remember what Vegeta did to Cui? Basically the same outcome except Tullece would probably get the job done a lot quicker.

Young Lord Slug vs Captain Ginyu

Pleased at the prospect of beating down a Namekian, Ginyu eagerly steps into battle. Without even bothering to raise his ki, the captain casually charges at his opponent and unleashes a fury of punches and kicks. Seeing that his attacks had zero effect, he begins to tremble with apprehension. Although shocked that a mere Namekian could wield such impressive levels of power, the proud captain is far from surrendering. He immediately taps into the depths of his own power and prepares himself for round two. He starts off by firing a deadly blast straight at his opponent. Unconcerned, Slug casually slaps the attack away as if it were a beach ball. Not wasting a second, Ginyu vanishes and reappears in front of Slug and begins throwing a series of powerful punches. However, the evil Namekian casually maneuvers past each devastating blow.

Deeming Ginyu as a complete waste of time, Slug blasts him in the chest and sends him skidding on his back. Angered at how badly he's losing, the captain decides to go for broke. Despite despising the very thought of inhabiting a Namekian body, he realizes that he's left with no other option. He quickly lift his arms up and yells "Change NOW!!!!"

Thinking that this is another desperate struggle for survival, Slug smirks and embraces himself for whatever his pathetic opponent has left to dish out. Before he could think further, he sees a peculiar wave of energy heading his way. Sensing an odd presence within the attack, he immediately return fires with his own ki blast and sends the unusual looking attack back at Ginyu while incinerating him in the process.

Ozaru Raditz vs Zarbon (No monster form)

Oozaru Raditz: 12,000 - 15,000
Zarbon: 22,000 - 23,000

Zarbon makes quick work of the giant ape.

Krillin (Post Unlocked Potential) vs Vegeta (Saiyan arc)

Depends on what particular time frame you're referring to. If this is Krillin immediately after having his potential unlocked, then Vegeta wins with moderate levels of difficulty. However, if Krillin has access to the power he wielded against Second Form Frieza, then expect another tearful moment for Vegeta.

During their confrontation with Frieza, Krillin should be more less in the neighborhood of 75,000 if not higher.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Captain Space » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:05 am

dbzfan7 wrote:Didn't think this needed it's own thread. So I decided to bring it up here.
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What’s the relationship between Beerus and Freeza?
Even Freeza is no match for the God of Destruction Beerus, no matter what he does! Since they both destroy stuff, they got along reasonably well, but one time Freeza had his clock cleaned when he got carried away and made Beerus angry.
I'm thinking he means that Freeza at the time can't do shit to Beerus no matter what he does. Or is this really implying that no amount of training from Freeza will ever reach Beerus' level?
The wording seems to imply "at the time" to me.
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Post by Alex9196 » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:05 am

do you think a gotenks fused with portara earings could have beaten super buu?

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Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:46 am

Alex9196 wrote:do you think a gotenks fused with portara earings could have beaten super buu?
Yes. The potara are much stronger than the fusion dance.

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Post by BeholdeR » Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:07 am

Yajirobe vs Jaco
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Post by Captain Space » Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:30 am

Alex9196 wrote:do you think a gotenks fused with portara earings could have beaten super buu?
Depends how much he screwed around. Fusion Dance Gotenks could've beaten Super Buu too, if he'd been more serious about it.
BeholdeR wrote:Yajirobe vs Jaco
Yajirobe > Roshi > Jaco

Right? I think?
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Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:42 am

Restricted Super Saiyan Broly (Movie 8) vs. Super Saiyan Grade 3 Trunks (1st day ROSAT - no speed issues)

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SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Restricted Super Saiyan Broly (Movie 8 ) vs. Super Saiyan Grade 3 Trunks (1st day ROSAT - no speed issues)
Trunks, easily. I very highly doubt SSJ1 Broly was above Perfect Cell.
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Post by DragonBallGuy » Sun Jul 19, 2015 2:23 pm

Probably Third Grade Super Saiyan Trunks.
RSSJ Broli has similar tanking feats as Initial Perfect Cell and Trunks far surpassed that Cell.
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Post by supercat » Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:28 pm

Alex9196 wrote:do you think a gotenks fused with portara earings could have beaten super buu?
SSJ3 Gotenks has already proven that he was a match for Super Buu, and that was while he was fooling around. Take away the horseplay and toss in the increased multipliers from the Potara, and Super Buu has no chance.

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Post by Alex9196 » Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:33 pm

supercat wrote:
Alex9196 wrote:do you think a gotenks fused with portara earings could have beaten super buu?
SSJ3 Gotenks has already proven that he was a match for Super Buu, and that was while he was fooling around. Take away the horseplay and toss in the increased multipliers from the Potara, and Super Buu has no chance.
what about the other way around. do you think if vegeta and goku fused without portara they would habe been able to defeat buuhan? obviously vegetto could have easily killed buu but he wanted to rescue the absorbed friends.

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Post by LightBing » Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:37 pm

BeholdeR wrote:Yajirobe vs Jaco
If it's Minus Jaco he get sliced and eaten. FnF Jaco easily destroys Yajirobe, if Gohan lost power for slacking off, imagine how much Yajirobe did. Even if he didn't lost power he would still lose.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Restricted Super Saiyan Broly (Movie 8) vs. Super Saiyan Grade 3 Trunks (1st day ROSAT - no speed issues)
Trunks has a massive power advantage, put a RR stamp on Broly and he doesn't even last a second.

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Post by Birusu16 » Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:42 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:Didn't think this needed it's own thread. So I decided to bring it up here.
AT's Inside Story
What’s the relationship between Beerus and Freeza?
Even Freeza is no match for the God of Destruction Beerus, no matter what he does! Since they both destroy stuff, they got along reasonably well, but one time Freeza had his clock cleaned when he got carried away and made Beerus angry.
I'm thinking he means that Freeza at the time can't do shit to Beerus no matter what he does. Or is this really implying that no amount of training from Freeza will ever reach Beerus' level?
The "no matter what he does" pretty much insinuates it doesn't matter how much Freeza trains he won't reach Beerus' level. That's pretty much true. Freeza's golden form is the pinnacle of his potential as he himself stated. He could train to get rid of its weakness, but he likely wouldn't become any stronger.

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