Alex9196,
PLEASE put some more effort into your spelling and grammar. Just because it's a somewhat informal and fast-moving thread doesn't mean you shouldn't at least take an extra few seconds for proper capitalization and punctuation. We shouldn't have to analyze and decipher your posts before even considering the match-ups you present.
Also, the word is "s
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SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Langfang vs. BODB Goku
Giving it to Goku. Lan-Fan didn't seem superhuman to me, while Goku was borderline superhuman from the start just from being Saiyan.
LightBing wrote:Kuririn(21st Tenkaichi Budokai), Namu and Gyuumaou vs Goku (21st Tenkaichi Budokai)
Freeza vs Hypothetical SSJ Vegeta after being healed by Dende
— I think Goku eventually gets overwhelmed. All three of these guys are still strong enough to give him a challenge 1-on-1, and fighting all 3 at once is probably too much for him.
— This one comes up fairly often. I think Vegeta capped out somewhere between 2 and 2.5 million
(compared to Goku's 3 million and final Freeza, I believe, starting out around 4 million). So as a Super Saiyan he'd be right about equal with Freeza's max of 120 million. He's got a good shot at winning the fight, especially if Freeza starts getting worn out like he did against Goku.
Lord Beerus wrote:- Piccolo (EOZ) vs Movie 8 LSSJ Broly
- Cui vs Tullece
- Young Lord Slug vs Captain Ginyu
- Ozaru Raditz vs Zarbon (No monster form)
- Krillin (Post Unlocked Potential) vs Vegeta (Saiyan arc)
— I'm going to say Piccolo, because I like Piccolo better. We've got no estimate of how much he may have improved after Boo, but based on how quickly he's shown to improve before, I'm positive that he COULD be strong enough to beat Broli b this point. Maybe not Movie 10 Broli, though.
— The only official power level for Tullece
(before chowing down of any fruit of might) is 19,000, and that's probably the bare
minimum of what he could be. That's already a little stronger than Kwi's 18,000, and I'd bet Tullece is a better fighter too. Gonna give this to Evil Goku.
— I'm of the mind that OLD Slug was already about as strong as Ginyu, and his restored youth boosted him up to about 1st-form Freeza's power. Suffice to say that Ginyu goes down pretty easily.
— Zarbon wins. He's STILL got a power advantage
(23,000 VS 15,000), and he'd know all about the Oozaru form's tail weakness. Raditz isn't going to last long.
— Depends on when. It would seem that Kuririn's power unlock had a gradual cumulative effect. He's officially at 13,000 against Gurd, then a little later he's going mano-a-mano with Ginyu-Goku who's at 23,000, and then he's officially at 75,000 when the fight with Freeza started. So the first Kuririn would get his butt kicked, while the other two turn it around and do the butt-kicking.
AvatarReiko wrote:Imperfect Cell(Post-Humans) vs Kamiccolo(fresh), SSJ Goku, SSJ Vegeta, 17 & 18 Note: Goku and Vegeta are Pre-ROSAT
Kamiccolo (Cell Games) vs SSJ Vegeta(Cell Games)
Krillin's Kienzen(Saiyan Saga) vs SSJ Vegetto. Does Vegetto survive?
— They MIGHT be able to wear him down, but their chances aren't great. I'd say it's like 3/5 in Cell's favor.
— I don't think Piccolo's all that far behind Vegeta, but the difference is still probably enough to guarantee Vegeta will win.
— We've never been shown a limit to what the Kienzan can cut
(sans filler), but if there is such a limit, Super Vegetto is probably beyond it.
Doctor. wrote:Oozaru Raditz vs Kuririn post-potential unlock
Goku, Namek (x20 Kaioken available) vs Yamcha (EoZ with Kaioken x20). (If Yamcha gets destroyed, add Tenshinhan with Kaioken x10. If Goku loses to Yamcha, make it SS Goku.)
— Kuririn against Gurd, PL 13,000, could probably beat Oozaru Raditz due to superior skill and ability, along with knowing to exploit the tail weakness. Kuririn against Ginyu-Goku can overpower him without any tricks, and Kuririn against Freeza can just easily slap him down.
— Tenshinhan with a Kaio-Ken x20 is the only one who would even get close to Goku's normal base power. Goku can slap both humens down at the same time, without any level of Kaio-Ken, much less Super Saiyan.
Alex9196 wrote:Do you think a Gotenks fused with Potara earrings could have beaten Super Buu?
All else being equal, I don't think the Potara is TOO much stronger than the Fusion Dance. Something like 2-3x stronger, not 10x stronger or more. So "Trunten" would probably still need at least Super Saiyan 2 to defeat Evil Boo.
BeholdeR wrote:Yajirobe vs Jaco
Yajirobe from when? Jaco from when? Yajirobe at his max after the Saiyan-arc training (PL of 970) would probably be a match for Jaco from his own story. If Jaco's supposed to be stronger some 30+ years later in
Resurrection F (and his eventual assumed appearance in Super), then he could no down take the chubby samurai down without much trouble.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Restricted Super Saiyan Broly (Movie 8) vs. Super Saiyan Grade 3 Trunks (1st day ROSAT - no speed issues)
I think Broli at that stage is a movies counterpart to Cell in his newly-attained Perfect Form, so the fight with Trunks would progress the same way. Trunks is stronger, but Broli is faster. But Broli's not as smart as Cell, so odds are instead of strategically evading him, he might just try to blitz Trunks to fight him head-on, and get his butt kicked.
Alex9196 wrote:what about the other way around. do you think if vegeta and goku fused without portara they would habe been able to defeat buuhan? obviously vegetto could have easily killed buu but he wanted to rescue the absorbed friends.
Yes. As far as I'm concerned, Goku and Vegeta just make great Fusions, math be damned. So Super Vegetto and a hypothetical Super Gogeta are respectively the #1 and #2 strongest characters in the original story, and everyone else is just competing for third place. Super Gogeta could defeat Gohan-Boo, but unlike for Vegetto, it might actually be a challenge. Sort of like SS3 Gotenks' clash with normal Evil Boo, but without the drain of SS3 cutting the fight short before Gogeta can end it.
LightBing wrote:Grandpa Gohan vs Kuririn(22nd Tenkaichi Budokai)
Kaioshin, Piccolo(Buu Saga), SSJ Kid Trunks and SSJ Kid Goten (Both before Rosat) vs Perfect Cell - Cell Jr voided
Punta vs Ranfan
Tenshinhan(Buu Saga) vs Yakon - Assume he mastered Kaioken, how much depends on your take of the character.
— I'm not sure who would win, but I think this would be a close and very entertaining fight. My gut tells me Grandpa Gohan's more likely to be victorious.
— What do you mean by "Cell Junior voided?" Anyway, the only versions of Perfect Cell which this team would be able to beat is his initial power he used against Vegeta and Trunks, or when he was worn-out from fighting Goku.
— I'm guessing Punta. Both of these guys are normal humans, and Punta's the physiologically larger and stronger one.
— Tenshinhan could be capable of a Kaio-Ken x50, far
more than Goku was capable of, and STILL only be a fraction as strong as Yakon. The monstrous dude was on-par with Boo-arc base Goku.
Blocky wrote:Base 25th WMAT Goku vs Imperfect Cell (Pre-Human absorption)
Great Ape Buuhan vs SSJ1 Vegito
SPC's using Shin-Kikoho and Kaioken at the same time vs SSJ2 Gohan's Father-Son Kamehameha
SSJ Raditz and and SSJ Nappa vs The Ginyu Force
Mystic Broly (M10) vs Buutenks
Goku + Gohan Fusion Potara (Buu Saga) vs Vegito
— Even 5-ish years later during
Battle of Gods, Goku still hadn't surpassed Freeza without Super Saiyan, much less Cell at any of his stages. Goku becomes a tasty and potent meal for the monster.
— Uh, Gohan-Boo's not a Saiyan, so... let's just apply the 10x boost for him and not think about it. While Super Vegetto was a lot stronger than Boo, I somehow doubt it was 10x or more stronger. Vegetto may actually lose this one.
— Cell was already an even match for Gohan. Adding the over-powered Kikoho into the mix (somehow) just makes it unfair.
— They have an overall power advantage, with Raditz being around 75,000 and Nappa around 200,000. But the special tricks from Ginyu and Gurd could still spell trouble for them. I'd give this to the Saiyan team only like 3 out of 5 times.
— The "Ultimate" power-up is based on dormant power and mostly unpredictable. Buuuut I'm of the opinion that most of Broli's power is already constantly pushing itself to the surface, and very little is left untapped. So even being taken "beyond" his current limits, I think he'd still cap out weaker than Gohan, and thus also get his butt kicked by Gotenks-Boo. Maybe even by normal Evil Boo, too.
— Old Kaioshin called Vegetto the "definitely strongest," so I'm guessing his max is greater than what "Kuhan" would be capable of.
Draconic wrote:Sorry if already answered but: Raditz vs Tarble
— No way to tell, really. We know Tarble was considered weak
(by Saiyan royalty standards) as a kid, but we've got no indication of how much he improved by the time we meet him in the 2008 special.
Alex9196 wrote:majin vegeta vs lssj broly (broly second coming)
super perfect cell vs ssj2 teen gohan (obviously that happened in the series, but i mean without any interfearings, no goku motivating gohan no vegeta disturbing cell and no one-armed gohan who protectet vegeta)
king cold vs cooler
tao baibai vs tsuru sennin
grandpa gohan vs muten roshi
super janemba vs super buu
— Any
two Boo-arc Super Saiyan 2s could overpower Broli together, but I think his raw strength and durability is a bit too much for any
one of them to handle. Vegeta loses after a tough fight.
— Gohan would find a way to mess up and lose.
— At his unseen 100% in his true form, I think Coola maxes out a little stronger than his dad. Combine that with being more skilled and he's got this fight in the bag. His "Super" form would just make it ridiculously easy.
— Based on the conversation others have had, I think Crane Hermit is probably the slightly stronger of the two.
— Similarly, I'd bet Muten Roshi was still a bit ahead of what his former pupil showed off at Baba's place.
— Janemba by a landslide. He's got a big power advantage, and he's probably smart enough to figure out that Boo needs to be totally wiped out to be defeated.
Noah wrote:SSJ Goten (First apperance/Pre-RoSaT) x 100% Full Power Freeza
Unless Freeza figures out something REALLY devious to gain an unfair advantage
(like... blowing up the planet), he's got no hope of beating Super Goten in a straightforward fight. He and Trunks were both strong enough as Super Saiyans that even when holding back their attacks are strong enough to intimidate Android 18, who is likewise way stronger than Freeza. I'd guess their full power is around that of Super Saiyan Vegeta and Trunks during the Cell Games. Probably over 10 times stronger than Freeza was at 100%.
LightBing wrote:Vegeta and Piccolo vs Goku (No Kaioken) - At their powers when fighting True Form Freeza
Base Goten and Trunks (Pre RoSaT) vs Yakon
Mr Satan vs Man-Wolf
— Vegeta may manage to land a few hits, but Goku's no doubt going to pick him and Piccolo apart.
— They're only half as strong as Goku was and they're not going to be able to compensate for not being able to sense Yakon like he could. Yakon beats them both.
— Uh...
*flips a coin* The champ takes it.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:King Chappa (22nd) vs. Taopaipai
I'm going to say Tao Pai Pai wins. Even if Chappa is more skilled in straightforward martial arts, Tao has more schemes and tricks up his sleeves.
Noah wrote:- Coola (First appearance) x Final Form Freeza (Namek Arc)
- Mecha Freeza x Coola (First appearance)
- Final Form Coola x Mecha Freeza (Full power)
- Mecha Freeza (Full Power) x SSJ Future Trunks
- Meta Coola x Imperfect Cell (Post humans)
- Android 16 x SSJ Goten (Pre and Post-RoSaT), SSJ Trunks (Pre and Post-RoSaT)
- SSJ Gohan (Boo Arc) x Piccolo (Boo Arc)
- SSJ Goku (Cell Games and Boo Arc) x Piccolo (Boo Arc)
- SSJ Goku (Boo Arc) x Kaioshin
- SSJ Vegeta (Boo Arc) x Dabura
- SSJ Goten (Pre and Post-RoSaT), SSJ Trunks (Pre and Post-RoSaT) x Piccolo (Boo Arc)
- SSJ Goten (Pre and Post-RoSaT), SSJ Trunks (Pre and Post-RoSaT) x SSJ Vegeta (Boo Arc)
- SSJ Goten (Pre and Post-RoSaT), SSJ Trunks (Pre and Post-RoSaT) x Perfect Cell
- SSJ Goten (Pre and Post-RoSaT), SSJ Trunks (Pre and Post-RoSaT) x Super Perfect Cell
- SSJ Gotenks (Post-RoSaT) x Majin Boo (before split)
Holy crap, dude, you don't need to post 20 match-ups at once.
— If Coola can't use his Super form, it's a toss-up. Freeza's a bit more powerful, but Coola's more skilled.
— Freeza's extra power tips this in his favor. Coola's chances are very slim now without hi Super form.
— Now their powers are roughly equal again, and it's a repeat of the first match.
— Freeza would still lose, but he would at least give Trunks a fight first.
— Kind of tricky. They're probably about the same in power based on them both beating merged Piccolo. But the thing is, when Cell gets gravely wounded, he gets weaker from regenerating. But when Meta
L Coola gets gravely wounded, he gets
stronger from regenerating.
— No.16 gets demolished. He's weaker than Stage-2 Cell, while Super Goten and Trunks are, by my estimates, stronger than the power
Perfect Cell used against Vegeta and Future Trunks. There's a big power difference here, and 16's infinite stamina isn't going to help him.
— Gohan definitely wins. Rusty skills or not, he's just got too much of a power advantage. There's enough of a gap in power between them to "fit" both Kaioshin and Dabra.
— Same as above. Goku's just too much stronger, even just at the Cell Games.
— Yet again, Goku's just too strong.
— Not much different than if it were Goku. Dabra was already weaker than Gohan, and only stalemating him because of a skill difference. Vegeta's at least as strong as Gohan, if not already stronger, AND more skilled as well. He and Goku both treated Dabra as a total non-threat even before they revealed their capability for Super Saiyan 2. Dabra's getting pwned.
— I'm going to answer all these "Goten and Trunks VS" entries at once... They defeat Piccolo by working together, but he could beat either of them easily one-on-one due to a big difference in skill and experience. Their chances of doing the same to Vegeta are very slim because he's so much stronger. He knocked Trunks on his ass with a single punch just out of reflex. The only form of Perfect Cell that the kids could beat is his initial low-power state against Vegeta and Future Trunks.
— In my book, pre-RoSaT Gotenks isn't up to the task. There's a suspicious lack of confirmation about his level of power, and one of the Daizenshuu say he hadn't even surpassed Vegeta yet. BUT after using the Room of Spirit and Time, he's much stronger, and I think he's capable of pulling it off as long as he doesn't screw around too much.
h0kuten wrote:Vegeta Ssj2 (BoG) vs Buutenks (Buu)
Goku Ssj3 (BoG) vs Gogeta Ssj (Fusion Reborn)
Raging Vegeta Ssj2 (BoG) vs Super Vegetto (Buu)a
Goku (All Power Absorbed) vs Beerus (vs Z-Fighters / P.S. Beerus cannot increase his power)
Feats, schmeats. Nothing the heroes did in
Battle of Gods showed them to be significantly stronger than their Boo-arc selves, if at all. Beerus beat everyone equally. It's not like Tenshinhan, Eighteen, and Piccolo are all on-par with each other.
— Vegeta gets his head popped off with a single casual jab.
— Remember how Janemba punched Gogeta right in the forehead and Gogeta didn't even budge? Yeah, same thing with Goku, who gets wiped out with one blast.
— Raging Vegeta was only said to be stronger than Goku, nobody else. His power-up caught Beerus by surprise, but it still had zero effect in the end. Super Vegetto decapitates him with a finger-flick.
— Now this is hard to answer. Since weaker guys like Tenshinhan didn't get every bone in their body broken when Beerus beat them, it's probably safe to assume he was adjusting his power and effort for each person. Buuut I suppose the odds are that the average level he used would probably be weaker than powers-combined Goku.
fadeddreams5 wrote:SSJ Gogeta (GT Goku and Vegeta fusion) vs SSJ4 Goku
Boo-arc Vegetto is on par with SS4 Goku, and with how much Goku and Vegeta improved by GT, even Gogeta in that period would be way, way stronger than that. Gogeta wins.
