Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Noah]

Why people are taking Piccolo seriously? I mean what he knows about God Ki? Kefla and UI Goku are far beyond his comprehension. He is just talking out of his ass.

[BlueVegerot]

So can we now say Blue Vegito is atleast on par with GoDs?

[pacz360]

Why people are taking Piccolo seriously? I mean what he knows about God Ki? Kefla and UI Goku are far beyond his comprehension. He is just talking out of his ass.

Yeah Cause I'm sure a guy like piccolo doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about...

[pacz360]

So can we now say Blue Vegito is atleast on par with GoDs?

He should be around there level especially if you want to take shin statement into account from the manga

[Liquir]

Can we expect Kaio-ken stacking on top of Ultra Instinct ? Can Goku just activate Kaio-ken while in Ultra Instinct form and thus while his body is dodging and attacking it will utilize the power boost from the Kaio-ken state of the body, making his attacks even more powerful in UI?

[Hakaishin Liquir]

Do you guys think that Kefla can beat Hit?

[gofishus]

So can we now say Blue Vegito is atleast on par with GoDs?

He should be around there level especially if you want to take shin statement into account from the manga

real question is who would win: Ultra Instinct Goku or Blue Vegito? And would they beat Jiren? And would Beerus beat Jiren?

[dragon boss z]

It's not until the Freeza arc that Kaio introduces himself to the Great Elder as the "Kaio of the North Galaxy". Then a bit later we get the quote in question where he explains that Planet Namek is outside his administrative area and therefore there's nothing he can do to help them sort out the mess bringing Kuririn and Goku back to life. The implication being that if Namek had been in the North Galaxy, then he could have done something about the two automatically reviving in the empty space where Namek had been (the point is a little obscured in Viz, with the explanation being shortened so that it's never specified that the location of Namek is what's outside Kaio's jurisdiction).

Also I didn’t know Jaco said planet Vegeta was under his jurisdiction. Which is strange considering Vegeta is further out than namek on the cosmos map in comparison to earth.

Well his job was to protect Earth from saiyans and Frieza is very familiar with the galactic patrol so I assumed it was. And that translation from herms says kai of the north galaxy which would imply he is in charge of 1 galaxy, meaning each kai is in charge galaxy thus the 4 galaxy theory. I thought the correct translation was quadrant, or was that in another part of the manga? I'm confused.

[Pannaliciour]

Why people are taking Piccolo seriously? I mean what he knows about God Ki? Kefla and UI Goku are far beyond his comprehension. He is just talking out of his ass.

Yeah Cause I'm sure a guy like piccolo doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about...

Ahaha doesnt matter who is talking, its a way for the writer to tell us something. It can't be always the same (Whis). It is true if nobody contradicts him.

[BlueVegerot]

Why people are taking Piccolo seriously? I mean what he knows about God Ki? Kefla and UI Goku are far beyond his comprehension. He is just talking out of his ass.

Yeah Cause I'm sure a guy like piccolo doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about...

Ahaha doesnt matter who is talking, its a way for the writer to tell us something. It can't be always the same (Whis). It is true if nobody contradicts him.

So then in the manga atleast blue vegito > beerus

[Kenneth La Torre]

Yeah Cause I'm sure a guy like piccolo doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about...

Ahaha doesnt matter who is talking, its a way for the writer to tell us something. It can't be always the same (Whis). It is true if nobody contradicts him.

So then in the manga atleast blue vegito > beerus

No. In the manga, vegito blue is maybe > beerus, not outright stronger. People dont seem to pay attentiom to shins wording in the manga. Although i agree vegito should be at least on par with beerus

[Bullza]

Why people are taking Piccolo seriously? I mean what he knows about God Ki? Kefla and UI Goku are far beyond his comprehension. He is just talking out of his ass.

They don't have God Ki though.

[HeroR]

Do you guys think that Kefla can beat Hit?

Yes. Hit at his best is comparable to Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku as seen in 72. Kefla rivals or even surpassed Blue Kaioken.

Why people are taking Piccolo seriously? I mean what he knows about God Ki? Kefla and UI Goku are far beyond his comprehension. He is just talking out of his ass.

They don't have God Ki though.

UI is most likely a god form.

[BlueVegerot]

I think Hit could take kefla. He was able to put Jiren in a time cage and would have taken him out if Jiren's eyes weren't damn cheat codes. Kefla is strong but not nearly as strong as Jiren

[Kenneth La Torre]

I think Hit could take kefla. He was able to put Jiren in a time cage and would have taken him out if Jiren's eyes weren't damn cheat codes. Kefla is strong but not nearly as strong as Jiren

Quite of a stretch saying hit could have taken him out just because of his eyes. As if jiren was anywhere close to his full physical powers. A being whose full power surpasses that of a God of destruction.

[Noah]

Ahaha doesnt matter who is talking, its a way for the writer to tell us something. It can't be always the same (Whis). It is true if nobody contradicts him.

But, the difference is that Whis is way more credible than Piccolo, he knows what Ultra Instinct is and is an expert regarding God Ki.

[HeroR]

I think Hit could take kefla. He was able to put Jiren in a time cage and would have taken him out if Jiren's eyes weren't damn cheat codes. Kefla is strong but not nearly as strong as Jiren

All the Time Cage does is hold someone in place. And Jiren’s eyes are not broken. Come on now.

[Hakaishin Liquir]

Do you guys think that Kefla can beat Hit?

Yes. Hit at his best is comparable to Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku as seen in 72. Kefla rivals or even surpassed Blue Kaioken.

Why people are taking Piccolo seriously? I mean what he knows about God Ki? Kefla and UI Goku are far beyond his comprehension. He is just talking out of his ass.

They don't have God Ki though.

UI is most likely a god form.

That was months before the tournament though, and Hit could have gotten stronger during that time period (unlike Goku and Vegeta who took a break from training for a few months). Current Hit is comparable to SSBKK Goku if not stronger than him, as seen in episode 111, since Hit was the only person besides UI Goku who could land an effective hit on Jiren, and Jiren himself said that Goku and Hit were the only people that he thought that couldn't be handled by Toppo or Dyspo.

It should able be worth noting that it had already been mentioned before that Caulifla and Kale don't have nearly as much martial arts skill as the likes of Goku, Vegeta, Freeza, Hit, etc. So it would be pretty hard for Kefla to figure out how to counter TS, and Hit should have no problem figuring out her fighting style and the timing of her attacks since he was able to figure out Jiren's, which is how he managed to land a hit on him.

[HeroR]

That was months before the tournament though, and Hit could have gotten stronger during that time period (unlike Goku and Vegeta who took a break from training for a few months). Current Hit is comparable to SSBKK Goku if not stronger than him, as seen in episode 111, since Hit was the only person besides UI Goku who could land an effective hit on Jiren, and Jiren himself said that Goku and Hit were the only people that he thought that couldn't be handled by Toppo or Dyspo.

It should able be worth noting that it had already been mentioned before that Caulifla and Kale don't have nearly as much martial arts skill as the likes of Goku, Vegeta, Freeza, Hit, etc. So it would be pretty hard for Kefla to figure out how to counter TS, and Hit should have no problem figuring out her fighting style and the timing of her attacks since he was able to figure out Jiren's, which is how he managed to land a hit on him.

I highly doubt Hit got 20x stronger since 72 and Goku got stronger too in that time frame. And Hit did as well against Jiren because of technquie, not power.

You can outpower your way of Hit’s technquies as Goku did in 39 and Jiren did in 111. Kelfie is also a fast learner since she knows how to counter IT.

[Miracles]

Piccolo did not say that Goku needed to release more power with the UI. He said that both Goku and Kefla were constantly getting more powerful, and that Kefla's power increase could make Goku release even more power

But that was not necessary, Kefla told Goku to release more power and he said he did not need to (and still managed to completely dominate her).

Yes, both the fight against Jiren and the fight against Kefla happened just a little time ago. But the fight against Kefla was the latest. If Piccolo wanted to refer to a fight that was going on even before that, he would have specified Goku VS Jiren. But it is far more plausible to have referred to a fight that was already happening, after all the context of the scene was about the clash between Goku and Kefla.

If Kefla had surpassed UI Goku (of fighting Jiren), Vegeta would have been impressed by her power. But he was only surprised by Goku who not only could move unconsciously, but had become much more powerful

The context from Piccolo states that Goku's power up forced Kefla to power up. Then he states how great Kefla's power is and says it may have passed Goku's former level. Then he says, "BUT IF" Kefla's power up could draw Goku's power out FURTHER. This means Goku was at a disadvantage in his former UI level "BUT" Piccolo says that could change if Goku could draw more power by being incited by Keflas power up! This proves Piccolo wasn't talking about BlueKK Goku cause there would be no need for him to increase his power if Kefla was only stronger than KK Blue Goku

Piccolo is saying in other words that if Kefla’s power up from before (Super Saiyan) could draw out Goku’s power (Ultra Instinct), then SS2 Kafla can possibly make Goku even more powerful (which wasn’t necessary). It isn’t implied Kafla’s power surpassed Ultra Instinct in any way. The idea here is just to talk about the neverending circle of power-ups that Goku and Kafla were demonstrating through the whole fight and to be fair who read the spoilers beforehand already knew this.

And those never ending power ups were compared to Goku's former UI level. Otherwise Piccolo wouldn't need to say UI Goku needs to respond to Kefla's power by drawing out more power cause she surpassed his former UI level. It's as simple as pie.