"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Zephyr]

I basically just mean such concrete statements as 'small plot point A was Toei's, plot point B's was Toriyama's' stuff. There's plenty of stuff in filler in Z, at least early on, that people would never have thought actually came from Toriyama if it weren't for us having statements as such, after all.

Oh yeah, definitely. It's always possible that Toriyama suggested specific things for each of the two adaptations, as well.

I just go with the assumption that if it's in both versions, it was probably in the draft, and it's probably Toriyama's idea. Which means that the draft being a "thick" plot was probably an exaggeration on Toriyama's part.

[Kagari]

After the latest chapter of the manga I feel like Toyotaro is adding his own things as well, such as with Goku using SSG again. At this point I feel like the anime is probably the safer bet but we'll probably never know for sure.

[HeroR]

After the latest chapter of the manga I feel like Toyotaro is adding his own things as well, such as with Goku using SSG again. At this point I feel like the anime is probably the safer bet but we'll probably never know for sure.

Well, Toriyama gave Toyotaro permission to do his own thing. I think Toriyama doesn't really care as long as they follow the bones of his script. We know by looking at the Reserrection 'F' script that Toriyama leaves the details of the battle to other people. So, he wrote an outline of who won, for what reasons, and what the U6's fighters abilities were, but all the in-between stuff is left for Toei and Toyotaro to fill.

[SaiyaSith]

Can't stop replaying this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn50mDq9lHw

[Grimlock]

Can't stop replaying this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn50mDq9lHw

Thanks! I was about to search for this.

[SaiyaSith]

Thanks! I was about to search for this.

Anytime bro! I've been appreciating it a lot since the reveal of the next ending song... But who knows, the animation might make it good, depending on what it is.

[Neon Z]

After the latest chapter of the manga I feel like Toyotaro is adding his own things as well, such as with Goku using SSG again. At this point I feel like the anime is probably the safer bet but we'll probably never know for sure.

Goku using SSJG is probably from Toyotaro, but I don't think Toriyama changing his mind about the form would be all that surprising. I mean, he still presumably saw the storyboard and what Toyotaro did with it and okayed everything. Just look at SSJ Blue - Originally SSJ Blue seemed to be just SSJ with God Ki, but in the Universe 6 tournament arc suddenly its a form of its own that has stamina issues, unlike basic SSJ. The stamina issues are briefly referenced in the anime too, although nothing relevant happens regarding them there, so it seems to be a Toriyama idea, even if not specifically the "use once and burn 90% of your power" bit.

There's something odd about the power scale though - Vegeta dropping to 10% of his power or Goku using Kaioken x 10 - either way, you've got Goku going from a similar level to 10 times stronger than Vegeta during the battle against Hit. I wonder if Toriyama's outline mentioned that Goku was 10 times stronger without explaining how/why it had happened?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

As far as I know, we have absolutely no confirmation on what is or isn't Toriyama's direct ideas beyond the most broad strokes of the story, IE 'there's another God of Destruction and he and Beerus gather fighters for a tournament' for example.

I'd also assume, until we actually have concrete statements made, that his 'higher involvement' with the manga is debatable as well. All we really know (again, unless I missed something) is that he overlooks the drafts that Toyotaro puts together. It's only natural he'd be even further involved in that side of things, because he's a manga-ka himself. Much of the anime production, especially as rushed as it's been would be far more foreign to him by comparison.

It's fine to prefer the manga version (though for myself at least, it's basically just an advertisement for the anime), but until we have more solid statements, trying to say it's closer to Toriyama's vision based on what statements we do have just sounds like overly assuming.

It is stated that Toei expands on Toriyama's story draft, but also add & change stuff, while Toyotaro only expands on it. We can't know which idea is from Toriyama. The fact that Kaio-Ken didn't happen in the manga means that it wasn't Toriyama's idea, but that doesn't mean that Super Saiyan God in the manga was Toriyama's idea either. If Toriyama's draft had Kaio-Ken in it, we would have seen it in the manga.

[ArchedThunder]

As far as I know, we have absolutely no confirmation on what is or isn't Toriyama's direct ideas beyond the most broad strokes of the story, IE 'there's another God of Destruction and he and Beerus gather fighters for a tournament' for example.

I'd also assume, until we actually have concrete statements made, that his 'higher involvement' with the manga is debatable as well. All we really know (again, unless I missed something) is that he overlooks the drafts that Toyotaro puts together. It's only natural he'd be even further involved in that side of things, because he's a manga-ka himself. Much of the anime production, especially as rushed as it's been would be far more foreign to him by comparison.

It's fine to prefer the manga version (though for myself at least, it's basically just an advertisement for the anime), but until we have more solid statements, trying to say it's closer to Toriyama's vision based on what statements we do have just sounds like overly assuming.

It is stated that Toei expands on Toriyama's story draft, but also add & change stuff, while Toyotaro only expands on it. We can't know which idea is from Toriyama. The fact that Kaio-Ken didn't happen in the manga means that it wasn't Toriyama's idea, but that doesn't mean that Super Saiyan God in the manga was Toriyama's idea either. If Toriyama's draft had Kaio-Ken in it, we would have seen it in the manga.

Toriyama also said he wants Toyotaro to start using his own ideas and now that the the manga is way behind the anime it needs something to differentiate it from the anime, so Toyotaro's ideas are probably being put into the manga now.

[MozillaVulpix]

...huh. I guess Toriyama's comments in that interview might have explained why Toyotaro decided to go in a completely different direction in the newest chapter.

[alakazam^]

The funny thing is that the manga isn't as behind as it was since next chapter will start the Trunks arc.

[HECTOR4]

Can someone translate this, please?:



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[Ajay]

First one says "Son Goku vs Black!!" if that helps? I can't read the rest.

[kbrooksgohan]

50. Goku vs Black
51. Sth about Mai
52. Gohan and Future Trunks
53. Black’s identity revealed

Apparently this is the brief translation! Not sure what 51 means. 52 sounds amazing! And I guess 50 means Goku's not fighting Black next episode. He will probably appear at the end. I can't wait to see how Gohan and Trunks interact. I hope they train with each other. That would be very poetic. I'm also wondering if they both might take part in the tournament! Please!

[sintzu]

Hopefully 52 will be the beginning of Gohan going back to how he was before and I can't wait to find out who Black is and the result of his fight with Goku.

If Black's identity is going to be revealed this early then maybe the arc won't be as long as we hoped it would.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

So no episode on 24th.

- Travis

[kbrooksgohan]

Yeah I hope so too. He doesnt have to be weak. He can be smart and strong. I hope that Trunks going back changed the timeline again and changed the Z ending.

I don't think Goku is going to win against Black. And it looks a little obvious but I think Black is that kai. The boots are the same and he has that potara. I would prefer if he wasn't but that's what I'm leaning towards.

[sintzu]

So no episode on 24th.

- Travis

Out of all the episodes they could've made us wait longer for, they picked the one everyone's most excited about.

I think Black is that kai. The boots are the same and he has that potara.

How do you think that'll work ? was he transformed into a Goku lookalike by someone else ?

[Lujin_16]

Hopefully 52 will be the beginning of Gohan going back to how he was before and I can't wait to find out who Black is and the result of his fight with Goku.

If Black's identity is going to be revealed this early then maybe the arc won't be as long as we hoped it would.

Hää you mean it will be much longer because it seems like they don't fight only revealing his identity nothing more

[kbrooksgohan]

That doesn't mean their won't be fighting. I bet Beerus and Whis will reveal his identity somehow. I want to see him fight them!