Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

[BlazingBarrrager]

I don't think it would matter. They're already doing it when Malik wouldn't want them to, so why would they listen to him to stop?

[Malik_DBNA]

[Vegitofaxx]

AWESOME!

Will this also be the cover for 10th AE?

[ekrolo2]

Bitchin.

[Malik_DBNA]

[Helios518]

Spoiler:

Looks great but i'm curious what made you decide to change the names of the kids?

[Black Hawk]

Absolutely love the revised names for Rigor's kids, Malik! I especially love the way you redesigned Savina's face; she looks a lot more distinct from Videl now; her eyes look a lot like Gine's!

Quick question: When Son Gokū trained under Kaiō-sama's supervision in the afterlife, he trained with four two-ton weights. Is Basuko's training with five two-ton pieces intended to imply that Basuko is stronger than Gokū was during the Bū arc?

[Malik_DBNA]

Absolutely love the revised names for Rigor's kids, Malik! I especially love the way you redesigned Savina's face; she looks a lot more distinct from Videl now; her eyes look a lot like Gine's!

Quick question: When Son Gokū trained under Kaiō-sama's supervision in the afterlife, he trained with four two-ton weights. Is Basuko's training with five two-ton pieces intended to imply that Basuko is stronger than Gokū was during the Bū arc?

No, its not meant to imply that. In fact, Basuko is only intended to be a little stronger than Son Goku at that time

Spoiler:

Looks great but i'm curious what made you decide to change the names of the kids?

All of the family's names (with the exception of Separi) come after Peppers, for a consistent family name theme

Maseran - Serrano Pepper
Savina - Red Savina Pepper
Basuko - Tabasco Pepper
Roko & Koto - Rocoto Pepper
Rigor - Rio Grande and Goronong Pepper/ Dorrigo Pepper
Peppra - Peppers

[BlazingBarrrager]

Question. When you and I talked you explained about the circumstances involving how to achieve Super Saiyan 3. However, I noticed that in your earlier drafts Vegeta had obtained the form. Will this remain in the updated version and will you explain how he achieved the form, or will it be like normal and he would not have the form?

[coola]

Took some time to get used to new look of Rigor's kids and names, but i really like them, that page with sneaking Savina reminded me of Lion King 2 hunting scene

[DBZGTKOSDH]

When do the revisions end again? I look forward for the continuation of the story, but I'm also looking forward to read the whole revised manga again.

[Black Hawk]

Question. When you and I talked you explained about the circumstances involving how to achieve Super Saiyan 3. However, I noticed that in your earlier drafts Vegeta had obtained the form. Will this remain in the updated version and will you explain how he achieved the form, or will it be like normal and he would not have the form?

I don't mean to interject, but might that involve Super Saiyajin 3 being obtainable only in an environment in which time is either doesn't flow (Other World) or is dramatically slowed down (Room of Spirit and Time)? That was my first thought when I read "circumstances involving how to achieve Super Saiyan 3". Again, sorry for interjecting; your comment just got me really curious and interested, Barrrager.

[vegitot]

Senzu is still greater than any technologies in the universe

[BlazingBarrrager]

Question. When you and I talked you explained about the circumstances involving how to achieve Super Saiyan 3. However, I noticed that in your earlier drafts Vegeta had obtained the form. Will this remain in the updated version and will you explain how he achieved the form, or will it be like normal and he would not have the form?

I don't mean to interject, but might that involve Super Saiyajin 3 being obtainable only in an environment in which time is either doesn't flow (Other World) or is dramatically slowed down (Room of Spirit and Time)? That was my first thought when I read "circumstances involving how to achieve Super Saiyan 3". Again, sorry for interjecting; your comment just got me really curious and interested, Barrrager.

I'll just quote what Malik told me.

Now the other problem with SSJ3 is when/where she obtains it. Remember that SSJ3 requires some very specific circumstances to achieve (one musthave achieved SSJ2 and either have access to unlimited stamina along with a high enough power OR have gained the power through mystical means [like Gotenks]), and that its chi output powerful enough to be sensed from other dimensions. If she achieved it anywhere, they would have sensed it.

We were talking about my FC Saiyan character where I asked him to critique what I had done so far and he explained this to me. As he explained, time isn't the factor required to achieve or even train for SSJ3. It's Stamina and power level. Obviously Vegeta has the power level to achieve it (not that he needs to at this point since he has SSJ4), but whether or not he has the stamina to help train for it is debatable. In the old draft we see Vegeta go SSJ3 a couple of times, but I was wondering if that will remain in the updated version or if it will be scrapped.

[Saiga]

Those aren't the requirements of SS3 at all. That's just headcanon nonsense with no actual grounding behind it.

Nothing suggests Gotenks achieved it through mystical means, his reaching the form is just presented as him being a prodigy.

[dalome]

Please Malik,
I am begging you,
Don't erase ssj3 Vegeta from db new age.

I think ssj3 has no rules like you say.

Ssj3 doesn't need anything special To be learn,
It is only that the strain when you use It is big.

So Vegeta can learn It like gotenks and Goku did, and like Goku, he can use It even if he is alive.
Ssj3 can be learn If you have the level, the only problem is that It can't be used for a long Time.

[Malik_DBNA]

Those aren't the requirements of SS3 at all. That's just headcanon nonsense with no actual grounding behind it.

Nothing suggests Gotenks achieved it through mystical means, his reaching the form is just presented as him being a prodigy.

There may be something behind that, though it seems odd that Vegeta trains about as hard, if not harder, than Son Goku, yet never achieved the form. I thought I remembered reading somewhere that Son Goku was only able to do it through his rigorous afterlife training where time and mortal law have no influence over him. Gotenks' achieving the form is sort of like a 'gimme', as Trunks and Goten both achieved SSJ with no effort whatsoever, and he has an astounding amount of strength thanks to his fusion.

I have read that in the Raging Blast games, Vegeta achieved the form through a combination of intense training and rage. So perhaps the circumstances are different. It could be that, like the previous forms, a combination of training, power, and emotional response is capable of unlocking the SSJ3 form. If such is indeed the case, I would think that only Son Goku, Vegeta, and Son Gohan would likely be the only ones capable of obtaining the transformation As they are. It would likely take years of dedicated training for Goten or Trunks to do it, though I believe they have the capability if they can obtain the form as Gotenks.

[BlazingBarrrager]

Well what we do know about SSJ3 is that it's something not meant to be used outside the afterlife (Goku admits this himself). I mean yeah he still used it in a living body, but I think he didn't count on it putting even more strain on him than when he had a dead body. Perhaps that's part of the reason why Vegeta never achieved it (at least outside of video games anyway). He either couldn't fully achieve it due to the strain it would put on his body through training, or he simply didn't bother. Also, I think part of the reason why it took Goku 7 years to obtain it is because it wasn't something he knew was possible. Of course with Gotenks it's, as you said, something they just gave him, but still.

Anyway, I know that for my Saiyan FC to work with it I need to come up with something that isn't an asspull, but this isn't the place to talk about it.

Please Malik,
I am begging you,
Don't erase ssj3 Vegeta from db new age.

I think ssj3 has no rules like you say.

Ssj3 doesn't need anything special To be learn,
It is only that the strain when you use It is big.

So Vegeta can learn It like gotenks and Goku did, and like Goku, he can use It even if he is alive.
Ssj3 can be learn If you have the level, the only problem is that It can't be used for a long Time.

What's the point of keeping it when Vegeta can go SSJ4? Honestly he would stop using it the minute he got it because of the heavy strain and less power.

[Black Hawk]

I'll just quote what Malik told me.

Now the other problem with SSJ3 is when/where she obtains it. Remember that SSJ3 requires some very specific circumstances to achieve (one musthave achieved SSJ2 and either have access to unlimited stamina along with a high enough power OR have gained the power through mystical means [like Gotenks]), and that its chi output powerful enough to be sensed from other dimensions. If she achieved it anywhere, they would have sensed it.

We were talking about my FC Saiyan character where I asked him to critique what I had done so far and he explained this to me. As he explained, time isn't the factor required to achieve or even train for SSJ3. It's Stamina and power level. Obviously Vegeta has the power level to achieve it (not that he needs to at this point since he has SSJ4), but whether or not he has the stamina to help train for it is debatable. In the old draft we see Vegeta go SSJ3 a couple of times, but I was wondering if that will remain in the updated version or if it will be scrapped.

Ah, I see; thanks for sharing that!

Initially, I'd believed that only a deceased (and, by extension, unencumbered by limitations) body or a fused body could withstand the ascension to the Super Saiyajin 3 level, but, I believe that, at the Palace of Kami-sama, after fighting against Bū to stall for Trunks, Gokū, in the original Japanese manga text, had something to the effect that he was only able to attain the form in the first place due to the lack of time flow in the afterlife. I could be mistaken, however. I figured it made sense, seeing as how Gotenks obtained SSJ3 in a similar place in which time isn't quite stopped but, rather, slowed down immensely. I'll need to look back at that and make sure; I don't want to spread erroneous information.

What's the point of keeping it when Vegeta can go SSJ4? Honestly he would stop using it the minute he got it because of the heavy strain and less power.

A potential solution I'd thought about was that Vegeta could simply do what he did when he fought Rigor. Though he ascended to SSJ4, he did not use his full power. Against Aladjinn, he insisted that he wasn't going to use his full power, and, as such, refrained from transforming into a SSJ4, opting for SSJ3 when things really heated up. Vegeta could potentially ascend to SSJ4, but only use a portion of his power, as he did against Rigor at the beginning of Rigor's slaughtering him their battle.

[BlazingBarrrager]

I'll just quote what Malik told me.

Now the other problem with SSJ3 is when/where she obtains it. Remember that SSJ3 requires some very specific circumstances to achieve (one musthave achieved SSJ2 and either have access to unlimited stamina along with a high enough power OR have gained the power through mystical means [like Gotenks]), and that its chi output powerful enough to be sensed from other dimensions. If she achieved it anywhere, they would have sensed it.

We were talking about my FC Saiyan character where I asked him to critique what I had done so far and he explained this to me. As he explained, time isn't the factor required to achieve or even train for SSJ3. It's Stamina and power level. Obviously Vegeta has the power level to achieve it (not that he needs to at this point since he has SSJ4), but whether or not he has the stamina to help train for it is debatable. In the old draft we see Vegeta go SSJ3 a couple of times, but I was wondering if that will remain in the updated version or if it will be scrapped.

Ah, I see; thanks for sharing that!

Initially, I'd believed that only a deceased (and, by extension, unencumbered by limitations) body or a fused body could withstand the ascension to the Super Saiyajin 3 level, but, I believe that, at the Palace of Kami-sama, after fighting against Bū to stall for Trunks, Gokū, in the original Japanese manga text, had something to the effect that he was only able to attain the form in the first place due to the lack of time flow in the afterlife. I could be mistaken, however. I figured it made sense, seeing as how Gotenks obtained SSJ3 in a similar place in which time isn't quite stopped but, rather, slowed down immensely. I'll need to look back at that and make sure; I don't want to spread erroneous information.

Yeah time could play a major factor in it, but at the same time we also need to remember that Goku was dead and thus not encumbered by his living body's limitations so that could have also played a factor in him achieving the form. Gotenks is a different case since he isn't dead, but at the same time it's possible that since he's a fused entity the strain of the form didn't have as much impact on his body as it would on Goku's living body. It can also be considered that Gotenks has more experience with the form than Goku does since he achieved it during his training in the Room of Spirit and Time and had time to work with it (Goku admitted he had little experience with the form, especially when using it in a living body). Yes the form shortened the fusion time for Gotenks, but we don't see him (or Goten and Trunks for that matter) experience the same level of fatigue Goku does after use.