The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Captain Space]

So where do we place Demigra and Mira's power compared to the others?

Mira seemed a little bit above Fat Buu, I guess (he was placed between your fights with fat Buu and Super Buu in the final battle when he said he'd go all-out).

Demigra, uh...I think he was the same level as Beerus, but Beerus wasn't at full power at the time, so presumably actually somewhat weaker than him. Then Demigra transformed, and his level rose, but he actually got slower and kinda easier to fight, so I guess that was a Super-Trunks-type transformation.

Goku Ssj2 (BoG) + Vegeta Ssj2 (BoG) vs Buutenks

Goku Ssj3 (BoG) vs Goku Ssj3 Dragon Fist (Wrath of The Dragon)

Freeza 4th Form 50% (FnF) vs Vegetto Ssj3 (BoG)

Shishama (FnF) vs Majin Vegeta Ssj2

Goku Ssj4 (Wrath of The Dragon) vs Super Vegetto (Buu)

-I'd say Buutenks. There's a debate going on in another thread about what's implied by BoG and who's stronger than who, but even if Goku and Vegeta are implied to be the strongest (which I don't believe), they're only being shown as stronger than SSJ Gotenks and probably SSJ Gohan (barring last-minute recolours); nothing to put them on Buutenks' level.

-Dragon Fist.

-Vegetto was said to be completely useless against Beerus (and he probably could go SSJ3, he just didn't need to against Buu), who wasn't at anything like his full power (probably something like 50%)...Freeza was not quite as strong as the base RF saiyans, who were said to be able to possibly fight evenly with Beerus if they both fought...so...I guess Freeza?

-Vegeta. I don't see RF Piccolo being on that level yet, and he was about even with Sashimi.

-I guess Vegetto, since GT SSJ4 Goku was said to be on Vegetto's level or maybe a little weaker, and GT Goku >>>>> anybody in movie 13

New matches: (equal power, limited stamina)

- Bardock vs Nuova Shenron
- Cell Junior x Saibamen
- Cell x Freeza
- Kid Goku (21st Tenkaichi Budokai) vs Nappa
- Krillin x SSJ Goten & SSJ Trunks
- Piccolo Daimao x Raditz
- SSSJ3 Gogeta x Beerus
- Super 17 x Super Android 13
- Tenshinhan x SSJ Vegeta
- Ultimate Gohan x Piccolo (Boo Arc)
- Yamcha x Zarbon (Post-Transformation)

-Nova, I guess? He was all dedicated warrior type, and he has his heat stuff.
-Cell Junior. They probably inherited fighting prowess from Cell.
-Cell. Everything Freeza can do, Cell can do better.
-Goku. The tricks he pulled in his match with Jackie Chun should qualify him as a far smarter fighter than Nappa (not that that's a stretch of the imagination anyway).
-Krillin. One of the kids is incredibly gullible, and they're both very inexperienced.
-Raditz seemed to be more skilled, I guess?
-Beerus. They'll hammer away at each other until Gogeta's SSJ3 and/or fusion runs out.
-17 due to energy absorption (and unlike Cell it's not life energy, just any energy attack).
-Tenshinhan. He has many more counters than just "hit it more/bigger blast".
-Piccolo. Gohan had done...like, maybe a month at most's serious training in the last seven years.
-Yamcha should be good enough to take a rampaging brute like that.

[Birusu16]

So where do we place Demigra and Mira's power compared to the others?

Mira seemed a little bit above Fat Buu, I guess (he was placed between your fights with fat Buu and Super Buu in the final battle when he said he'd go all-out).

Demigra, uh...I think he was the same level as Beerus, but Beerus wasn't at full power at the time, so presumably actually somewhat weaker than him. Then Demigra transformed, and his level rose, but he actually got slower and kinda easier to fight, so I guess that was a Super-Trunks-type transformation.

Goku Ssj2 (BoG) + Vegeta Ssj2 (BoG) vs Buutenks

Goku Ssj3 (BoG) vs Goku Ssj3 Dragon Fist (Wrath of The Dragon)

Freeza 4th Form 50% (FnF) vs Vegetto Ssj3 (BoG)

Shishama (FnF) vs Majin Vegeta Ssj2

Goku Ssj4 (Wrath of The Dragon) vs Super Vegetto (Buu)

-I'd say Buutenks. There's a debate going on in another thread about what's implied by BoG and who's stronger than who, but even if Goku and Vegeta are implied to be the strongest (which I don't believe), they're only being shown as stronger than SSJ Gotenks and probably SSJ Gohan (barring last-minute recolours); nothing to put them on Buutenks' level.

-Dragon Fist.

-Vegetto was said to be completely useless against Beerus (and he probably could go SSJ3, he just didn't need to against Buu), who wasn't at anything like his full power (probably something like 50%)...Freeza was not quite as strong as the base RF saiyans, who were said to be able to possibly fight evenly with Beerus if they both fought...so...I guess Freeza?

-Vegeta. I don't see RF Piccolo being on that level yet, and he was about even with Sashimi.

-I guess Vegetto, since GT SSJ4 Goku was said to be on Vegetto's level or maybe a little weaker, and GT Goku >>>>> anybody in movie 13

New matches: (equal power, limited stamina)

- Bardock vs Nuova Shenron
- Cell Junior x Saibamen
- Cell x Freeza
- Kid Goku (21st Tenkaichi Budokai) vs Nappa
- Krillin x SSJ Goten & SSJ Trunks
- Piccolo Daimao x Raditz
- SSSJ3 Gogeta x Beerus
- Super 17 x Super Android 13
- Tenshinhan x SSJ Vegeta
- Ultimate Gohan x Piccolo (Boo Arc)
- Yamcha x Zarbon (Post-Transformation)

-Nova, I guess? He was all dedicated warrior type, and he has his heat stuff.
-Cell Junior. They probably inherited fighting prowess from Cell.
-Cell. Everything Freeza can do, Cell can do better.
-Goku. The tricks he pulled in his match with Jackie Chun should qualify him as a far smarter fighter than Nappa (not that that's a stretch of the imagination anyway).
-Krillin. One of the kids is incredibly gullible, and they're both very inexperienced.
-Raditz seemed to be more skilled, I guess?
-Beerus. They'll hammer away at each other until Gogeta's SSJ3 and/or fusion runs out.
-17 due to energy absorption (and unlike Cell it's not life energy, just any energy attack).
-Tenshinhan. He has many more counters than just "hit it more/bigger blast".
-Piccolo. Gohan had done...like, maybe a month at most's serious training in the last seven years.
-Yamcha should be good enough to take a rampaging brute like that.

Pretty sure Whis was referring to Goku and Vegeta at full power (which is even more evident considering Beerus nearly wasted both of them while they were in base with a casual ki blast), so I wouldn't use that as a measuring stick for Freeza. Base RoF Goku and Vegeta are probably a bit weaker than SSG Goku in BoGs and 4th form Freeza would be a bit weaker than them.

[Captain Space]

Pretty sure Whis was referring to Goku and Vegeta at full power (which is even more evident considering Beerus nearly wasted both of them while they were in base with a casual ki blast), so I wouldn't use that as a measuring stick for Freeza. Base RoF Goku and Vegeta are probably a bit weaker than SSG Goku in BoGs and 4th form Freeza would be a bit weaker than them.

Hmm, possible, yeah. Still puts them at around half Beerus' power or nearly that...I dunno, maybe Vegetto could have a chance?

[Birusu16]

Pretty sure Whis was referring to Goku and Vegeta at full power (which is even more evident considering Beerus nearly wasted both of them while they were in base with a casual ki blast), so I wouldn't use that as a measuring stick for Freeza. Base RoF Goku and Vegeta are probably a bit weaker than SSG Goku in BoGs and 4th form Freeza would be a bit weaker than them.

Hmm, possible, yeah. Still puts them at around half Beerus' power or nearly that...I dunno, maybe Vegetto could have a chance?

I'd still put them comfortably above Vegetto considering Beerus said the decrease Goku got from losing SSJG in BoGs was "insignificant" meaning he wasn't that much weaker. So I'd probably have the base RoF saiyans at around 55% (even that may be too much of a decrease, but I'm staying on the safe side here) of Beerus' full power rather than 60% with 4th form Freeza being slightly below that.

So yea, I'd still say that's quite a bit above Vegetto, but that's just me.

[Captain Space]

I'd still put them comfortably above Vegetto considering Beerus said the decrease Goku got from losing SSJG in BoGs was "insignificant" meaning he wasn't that much weaker. So I'd probably have the base RoF saiyans at around 55% (even that may be too much of a decrease, but I'm staying on the safe side here) of Beerus' full power rather than 60% with 4th form Freeza being slightly below that.

So yea, I'd still say that's quite a bit above Vegetto, but that's just me.

So I guess Vegetto would have to be about 25% of Beerus' power to stand a chance. And given that they didn't think it was even worth bothering against when Beerus was presumably using much less than 70%...probably not.

[supercat]

Goku Ssj2 (BoG) + Vegeta Ssj2 (BoG) vs Buutenks

Goku Ssj3 (BoG) vs Goku Ssj3 Dragon Fist (Wrath of The Dragon)

Freeza 4th Form 50% (FnF) vs Vegetto Ssj3 (BoG)

Shishama (FnF) vs Majin Vegeta Ssj2

Goku Ssj4 (Wrath of The Dragon) vs Super Vegetto (Buu)

-With his rage boost readily accessible, Vegeta would annihilate Buutenks with the utmost ease. Without it, the Saiyan duo would be finished in a matter of seconds.

-After tanking the Dragon Fist, SSJ3 Goku (BoG) utterly humiliates his counterpart.

-The emperor of evil wins with moderate levels of difficulty at the most.

-Majin Vegeta one-shots Shisami and criticizes Piccolo for failing to wipe out an opponent with such insignificant power.

-Since SSJ4 Goku (GT) is probably more or less on par with SSJ Vegetto, there's no way a weaker version of the former would be able to outshine the latter.

New matches: (equal power, limited stamina)

- Bardock vs Nuova Shenron
- Cell Junior x Saibamen
- Cell x Freeza
- Kid Goku (21st Tenkaichi Budokai) vs Nappa
- Krillin x SSJ Goten & SSJ Trunks
- Piccolo Daimao x Raditz
- SSSJ3 Gogeta x Beerus
- Super 17 x Super Android 13
- Tenshinhan x SSJ Vegeta
- Ultimate Gohan x Piccolo (Boo Arc)
- Yamcha x Zarbon (Post-Transformation)

-Nuova wins due to a superior arsenal of techniques.

-Cell Jr. is gifted with the Z-Fighters' abilities, so the Saibamen get decimated in a matter of seconds.

-Cell wins, but not without a stunning display of resistance from Frieza. In addition to being programmed with nearly unrivaled battle prowess, Cell has access to a far wider range of moves, so there's no doubt the odds are in his favor. That said, I could see Frieza's durability and persistence taking him a long way. I personally think it'd be a lot closer than a lot of people think. Frieza has a unique physique that enables him to maneuver around and attack in ways that could really throw his opponent off.

-Goku still wins. Nappa's an intellectually challenged brute with zero skill.

-Krillin seems to be more strategically gifted in terms of pure skill, so I'd say he teaches the kids a thing or two about martial arts.

-Raditz couldn't even defeat two substantially weaker opponents. I don't see him getting very far with a ruthless King Piccolo on a level playing field.

-Beerus wins with the utmost ease. He's probably far more seasoned, and has also likely obtained a good deal of wisdom from Whis.

-Seeing as how Ultimate Gohan couldn't even defeat Super Buu despite being at a major advantage, I'd say this is going to be one heck of a training session for him.

-Yamcha. Zarbon seems like another senseless fighter who merely muscles his way into victory.

[h0kuten]

Goku (Post Vegeta Fight)~KaioKenx 4
Vegeta (Post Zarbon Fight)
Nail

vs

Recoome
Jeice
Burtur

[Lord Beerus]

New matches: (equal power, limited stamina)

- Bardock vs Nuova Shenron
- Cell Junior x Saibamen
- Cell x Freeza
- Kid Goku (21st Tenkaichi Budokai) vs Nappa
- Krillin x SSJ Goten & SSJ Trunks
- Piccolo Daimao x Raditz
- SSSJ3 Gogeta x Beerus
- Super 17 x Super Android 13
- Tenshinhan x SSJ Vegeta
- Ultimate Gohan x Piccolo (Boo Arc)
- Yamcha x Zarbon (Post-Transformation)

- Nuova roasts Bardock
- Cell Jr is more of competent fighter. So Cell Jr wins this.
- Cell. For the same reason above.
- Nappa is more of a brute. So I see him getting the job quicker.
- Goten and and Trunks will fuck around too much, which will allow Krillin, who is far more pragmatic in battle, to take advantage and catch the both of them out with a Kienzan
- Hmm... The both of them are cunning and sneaky in battle. It could go either way, but I think King Piccolo's regeneration will be the difference maker. So I'm backing King Piccolo.
- Beerus. Considering who his teacher was, he would be a much more refined fighter.
- 17. His energy absorption ability his quite ridiculous.
- Tien. Whenever Vegeta becomes a Super Saiyan, his IQ drops.
- Piccolo. Piccolo is much more refined and tactical fighter than Gohan ever was.
- Yamcha.

Goku (Post Vegeta Fight)~KaioKenx 4
Vegeta (Post Zarbon Fight)
Nail

vs

Recoome
Jeice
Burtur

Team 2 wins.

[Dbzfan94]

SSJ2 Buu Saga Gohan (enraged) vs Super Perfect Cell and Dabura.

If the villains win, make Gohan his Cell Games self as SSJ2.

[Captain Space]

Goku (Post Vegeta Fight)~KaioKenx 4
Vegeta (Post Zarbon Fight)
Nail

vs

Recoome
Jeice
Burtur

Goku is probably in the league of one of them with KK x4, but runs out of energy too quickly to beat them; Vegeta gets beaten by any of them; Nail can probably match or beat one of them. So at 2-1 I give it to the Ginyus.

SSJ2 Buu Saga Gohan (enraged) vs Super Perfect Cell and Dabura.

If the villains win, make Gohan his Cell Games self as SSJ2.

Buu Saga Gohan loses (Cell could probably match him alone), Cell Games Gohan barely wins.

[Lord Beerus]

SSJ2 Buu Saga Gohan (enraged) vs Super Perfect Cell and Dabura.

If the villains win, make Gohan his Cell Games self as SSJ2.

Gohan annihilates Dabra. But SPC defeats Gohan.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

SSGSS Goku vs Superman (Superman The Movie/II/III/IV/Returns)
SSGSS Goku vs Superman (Man of Steel)
SSGSS Goku vs Superman (Superman: The Animated Series)
SSGSS Goku vs Superman (Smallvile)

Based on what the Death Battle! have showed us, Goku doesn't stand a chance against Silver Age, Modern Age, and New 52 Superman. What about these versions of Superman, have they showed any feats that make him stronger, faster, and more durable than Goku?

[Lord Beerus]

SSGSS Goku vs Superman (Superman The Movie/II/III/IV/Returns)
SSGSS Goku vs Superman (Man of Steel)
SSGSS Goku vs Superman (Superman: The Animated Series)
SSGSS Goku vs Superman (Smallvile)

Based on what the Death Battle! have showed us, Goku doesn't stand a chance against Silver Age, Modern Age, and New 52 Superman. What about these versions of Superman, have they showed any feats that make him stronger, faster, and more durable than Goku?

Honestly, I only see SSJGSSJ Goku losing against STAS Superman, considering that version of Superman was able to kick Darkseid's ass.

[TheGmGoken]

Yamcha vs Bacteria

[Captain Space]

SSGSS Goku vs Superman (Superman The Movie/II/III/IV/Returns)
SSGSS Goku vs Superman (Man of Steel)
SSGSS Goku vs Superman (Superman: The Animated Series)
SSGSS Goku vs Superman (Smallvile)

Based on what the Death Battle! have showed us, Goku doesn't stand a chance against Silver Age, Modern Age, and New 52 Superman. What about these versions of Superman, have they showed any feats that make him stronger, faster, and more durable than Goku?

Honestly, I only see SSJGSSJ Goku losing against STAS Superman, considering that version of Superman was able to kick Darkseid's ass.

To be fair, animated Darkseid probably doesn't have anything on comics-Darkseid either.

Haven't seen Smallville, but Goku stomps Man-of-Steel Supes, proooooobably beats Animated Supes, and...well, he's definitely a lot stronger than classic-movie-Superman, but there is that time-travel speed feat...eh, we now have some crazy speed feats from the DBZ gods, so I guess probably Goku there too...but not definitely.

[ZombieVito]

SSJ2 Buu Saga Gohan (enraged) vs Super Perfect Cell and Dabura.

If the villains win, make Gohan his Cell Games self as SSJ2.

While Gohan is stronger the combine effort of Cell and Dabura is too much. Gohan gets killed.

[Birusu16]

SSGSS Goku vs Superman (Superman The Movie/II/III/IV/Returns)
SSGSS Goku vs Superman (Man of Steel)
SSGSS Goku vs Superman (Superman: The Animated Series)
SSGSS Goku vs Superman (Smallvile)

Based on what the Death Battle! have showed us, Goku doesn't stand a chance against Silver Age, Modern Age, and New 52 Superman. What about these versions of Superman, have they showed any feats that make him stronger, faster, and more durable than Goku?

Honestly, I only see SSJGSSJ Goku losing against STAS Superman, considering that version of Superman was able to kick Darkseid's ass.

Darkseid's feats in STAS are nothing close to his comic counterpart, so Supes beating him isn't exactly that impressive. He's certainly not anywhere near as impressive as most DB characters.

Anyway, Goku stomps in the first 3 scenarios. Haven't watched Smallville in a long time, so I can't remember the exact feats Clark had in that show.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Oh! I forgot to add:

SSGSS Goku vs Superman (Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman)

[pacz360]

SSGSS Goku vs Superman (Superman The Movie/II/III/IV/Returns)
SSGSS Goku vs Superman (Man of Steel)
SSGSS Goku vs Superman (Superman: The Animated Series)
SSGSS Goku vs Superman (Smallvile)

Based on what the Death Battle! have showed us, Goku doesn't stand a chance against Silver Age, Modern Age, and New 52 Superman. What about these versions of Superman, have they showed any feats that make him stronger, faster, and more durable than Goku?

Goku should slaughter both man of steel and the animated series in base,don't known about the first one or smallville. Also quick question why mentioned death battle?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Also quick question why mentioned death battle?

Because we got Goku vs Superman from them?