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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:47 am

LightBing wrote:Future Trunks and Vegeta (Before Rosat) vs Piccolo (Post Kami Assimilation)
Future Kid Trunks vs Recoome
Bojack vs SSJ Vegeta (Super)
— I don't think 2 Super Saiyans is quite enough to take down either of the Androids or Piccolo. Add in Goku to make it 3 of them and it might be different.
— You mean at his weakest when we saw him as a Super Saiyan sparring with base Gohan? My arbitrary numbers place him at 50,000, a decent chunk stronger than Recoome who's probably around 35k-40k. So if Trunks is a good enough fighter he can win.
— Vegeta can beat regular Bojack easily enough, but he'd still probably need Super Saiyan 2 to beat buffed-up Bojack.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:BOZ Tenshinhan vs. Mr. Popo
— I'm'a give this one to Popo. From what the official numbers tell us, none of the humans had surpassed King Piccolo before their training for the Saiyans.
h0kuten wrote:EOZ Piccolo vs Kid Gohan Ssj (Cell Games)
EOZ Goku Ssj3 vs Super Vegetto (Buu)
— I personally think Piccolo may have picked up his training after being useless against Boo, and I think by the epilogue he'd be around as strong as full-power Cell. So he could beat SS Gohan from the Cell Games pretty easily.
— Discounting the new god-power shenanigans... Goku explodes when Vegetto lightly jabs him.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:M10 SS Broly vs. SS2 Teen Gohan
— Going to say Gohan. There's a reason Broli went "legendary" as soon as Gohan transformed, after all. I think they'd be basically leapfrogging each other in power via their transformations.
DBZAOTA482 wrote:What if Piccolo Senior showed up to the 23rd Budokai and fought the human fighters there?
  • SCENARIO #1: It's Old Piccolo Daimao at <50% power.
    SCENARIO #2: If that Piccolo loses then have him fight at full power
    SCENARIO #3: If that Piccolo loses as well then have Young Piccolo Daimao fight
How does he fare against them all?
Old Piccolo at half power might get beaten by Tenshinhan and MAYBE Kuririn. In scenarios 2 and 3, Piccolo clears the entire gauntlet with relative ease.
Hero wrote:1. Cell Games SSJ Goku and Gohan vs. Full Power Perfect Cell
2. Buu SSJ Goku vs. FP Perfect Cell
3. Buu SSJ Goku and Buu SSJ Vegeta vs. FP Perfect Cell
4. Buu SSJ2 Vegeta vs. Super Perfect Cell
5. Buu SSJ2 Vegeta vs. CG SSJ2 Gohan
1. I don't think they can quite pull it off. They'd do a lot of damage working together, but Cell would ultimately still be victorious. His regeneration would probably help him a lot.
2. Goku's still not quite up to that level. It'd be like a repeat of their previous fight from the Cell Games.
3. If it's Vegeta after getting his boost from Bobbidi, he and Goku working together can win. If not, Cell might still be a bit too much for them.
4. Post-Majin Vegeta is more than strong enough to win. Pre-Majin Vegeta's either dead even with Cell or only a little bit weaker, and has a good chance.
5. Pre- or post-Majin, Vegeta's chances of winning here are even better, because Gohan doesn't have the regeneration and other tricks that Cell does.
h0kuten wrote:Janemba vs Hildegarn
Super Buu (Over-Powered) vs Super Vegetto (Buu)
Goku Ssj3 (Wrath of The Dragon) vs Raging Vegeta Ssj2 (BoG)
Goku Ssj3 EOZ vs Super Vegetto
Goku Ssj2 EOZ Buuhan
— Hard to tell. Janemba's the stronger one, but I'm not sure if he'd be able to overcome Hirudegarn's tricky intangibility thing.
— Just absorbing Janemba and Hirudegarn would probably put Boo on Vegetto's level already and give him a shot at winning. The rest, mostly Gohan and Gotenks, just tip the scales further in Boo's favor.
— Movie 13 Goku (who's only moderately stronger than his Boo-arc self in my book) wins this one. Vegeta's rage boost was a fleeting and temporary thing, and he probably couldn't do enough damage to Goku in those short moments to decide the fight. Then he'll be all burned out and easy pickings for Goku to beat with a single punch.
— Putting aside the fluctuating events of the new movies and Super, I don't see Goku making too much progress in those two years. He's only going to grow so quickly doing "normal" training on Earth and at Kaio's without special things to exploit like the RoSaT and Saiyan healing boosts. Even at his strongest he probably hasn't even caught up to Gohan and Gotenks yet, much less the far stronger Vegetto.
— Ditto on Goku losing badly, same reasons as above.
Hero wrote:Here's one more since I've always to see other people's opinion on this:
SSJ Goten (Pre) Gauntlet!
He probably loses to Grade 3 Trunks, because Goten won't be smart or perceptive enough to pick up on the speed weakness and will probably get caught. Otherwise, Cell Games Vegeta takes him down with an all-around advantage in power, speed, and skill.
Alex9196 wrote:Bibidi vs Babidi (hand to hand, no magic)
Raditz Oozaru vs Bardock
1.000 Saibaimen vs Kid Vegeta
Ginyu Force vs "Cooler Force" (The three henchmen from coolers revenge)
Androids 13-20 vs Regular Perfect Cell
Nail vs Recoome
Super Buu (Janemba absorbed) vs Hirudegarn)
— Uh... Bibbidy, I guess?
— The somewhat weaker "Toriyama's Bardock" from Minus is at too much of a power disadvantage and would probably lose. TV Bardock would probably at least be able to chop off Raditz's tail and win that way.
— The Saibaimen have WAY too much of an advantage in numbers here. Kid Vegeta probably doesn't even make it to 100 of them.
— The Ginyu Force's only hope is to exploit Gurd and Ginyu's special abilities. If it's just a contest of power, they get creamed. Captain Ginyu himself maxes out at 120,000, while the Armored Squad average around 175,000.
— Even at his restrained levels against Vegeta and Trunks or Goku and Gohan, Cell is far too strong for any of the other Androids to beat, even as a team. He destroys them all at once with a wave of his hand.
— I definitely think Nail would win. He may have a slight power edge over Recoome, for one, but he's also got way more going for him in skill and abilities. Recoome's tanky ability to soak up damage may be a pain to overcome, though.
— Janemba's already stronger than Hirudegarn on his own, and being absorbed by Boo just makes the total power imbalance even greater. But like above, it depends on if Boo and Janemba's collective smarts can figure out and get around Rudy's intangibility.
h0kuten wrote:Goku Ssj2 (BoG) + Vegeta Ssj2 (BoG) vs Buutenks
Goku Ssj3 (BoG) vs Goku Ssj3 Dragon Fist (Wrath of The Dragon)
Freeza 4th Form 50% (FnF) vs Vegetto Ssj3 (BoG)
Shishami (FnF) vs Majin Vegeta Ssj2
Goku Ssj4 (Wrath of The Dragon) vs Super Vegetto (Buu)
— Vegeta and Goku get creamed. A few years' worth of moderate improvement won't let them close the huge power gap that Evil Boo had over them.
— Both Gokus are probably similar in power, but the Dragon Fist is an incredibly broken attack. BoG Goku isn't going to be able to tank or survive it.
— No good way to tell. Next!
— Same here. Shisami's strength isn't made clear. We don't know if he got a lot stronger like Freeza, or if we're meant to believe Piccolo was just tired or something. Next!
— Even SS4 Goku in GT is only "perhaps" on Vegetto's level. A weaker version of Goku from 5+ years prior is definitely going to lose.
h0kuten wrote:Goku (Post Vegeta Fight)~KaioKenx 4, Vegeta (Post Zarbon Fight), Nail, VS Recoome, Jeice, Burtur
I think the heroes win this one, though Goku and Nail will end up doing most of the work.
Dbzfan94 wrote:SSJ2 Buu Saga Gohan (enraged) vs Super Perfect Cell and Dabura.
If the villains win, make Gohan his Cell Games self as SSJ2.
Gohan's "enraged" power is mostly unpredictable, but if it's at least moderately stronger than his normal self, Gohan wins. Dabra gets instantly vaporized with one blast right at the start, and then Cell gets pummeled. His power drops from the beatdown and regenerating to a level that even if Gohan calms down, he can now handle it as a normal SS2.
TheGmGoken wrote:Yamcha vs Bacterian
21st Budokai Yamcha probably ends up overwhelmed by the stench like Kuririn almost was for some reason. 22nd Budokai Yamcha probably finds a way to lose too. 23rd Budokai Yamcha is strong enough to easily knock out Bacterian while holding his breath for like 3 seconds.
h0kuten wrote:Majin Vegeta Ssj2 + Super Perfect Cell vs Goku Ssj2 + Kid Gohan Ssj2 vs Broly LSSJ (M10) + Teen Gohan Ssj2 (M10)
Teams 1 and 2 realize Broli is the biggest threat, so they team up to quickly take him down, and Gohan falls easily afterwards. Then... my gut's telling me Team 1 emerges victorious. Vegeta's tenacity and Cell's special abilities and skill repertoire are slightly more effective than Goku's skill, which is somewhat hampered by Gohan's propensity for failure.
h0kuten wrote:Yamcha (EOZ) vs Guldo
If Yamcha knows about Gurd's special abilities ahead of time, then he can quickly blitz Gurd and one-hit-KO him before he can do anything. If not, then his Yamcha-ness probably causes him to get caught in a time freeze or telekinesis and somehow lose.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Imperfect Cell (pre-absorptions) vs Meta Cooler
Imperfect Cell (post-absorptions) vs Meta Cooler army
Future Androids 17 and 18 vs. 2 Meta Coolers
— MetaL Coola had 3 different stages of power, and the first stage is the only one that Cell can beat one-on-one, just like SS Goku did on his own. The other two stronger stages of Metal Coola are a bit too much for him.
— This stronger Cell could probably handle one or two stronger Metal Coolas, but the entire swarm of them is definitely going to overwhelm him very quickly.
— Kind of the same deal. The Android twins could beat a pair of Metal Coolas at the first two stages of power, but the third and strongest stage would be a bit too much for them.
h0kuten wrote:Goku Ssj4 (Buu Saga) vs Gotenks Ssj Post-ROST
Gotenks Ssj4 (Buu Saga) vs Super Vegetto
Goku SsjG3 (RoSaT) vs Semi-Perfect Cell
Perfect Cell (vs Goku) + Goku MSsj vs Kid Gohan Ssj
— Goku can still beat SS Gotenks easily with just SS3 in my book. Giving him SS4 on top of it is mega overkill.
— If SS4 truly is a potential unlock of some sort, then it's hard to predict how strong it'll make anyone. Were Gotenks capable of SS4, though, I don't think he'd quite be able to beat SS Vegetto. Even if it puts them on even ground in power, Vegetto is by far the more smart and skilled one.
— Same thing happens to Goku as did to Trunks. He's a little bit stronger than Cell, but too slow to catch him and lay the needed beatdown.
— If Gohan really buckled down and fought seriously then he could beat Cell, but he doesn't have enough of a power advantage to beat both Cell AND Goku at the same time.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Krillin (Trunks' arrival) vs. 1st form Freeza
Considering that he, well, died, I don't think Kuririn's power kept growing much beyond the 75,000 he had at the start of the fight with Freeza. Maybe he'd be 85,000-90,000 at best. Add on 2 years of casual training and I think he'd probably only be around or a little above 100,000 when Cyborg Freeza arrived. Obviously still no match for 1st-form Freeza's 530,000.
Zombie wrote:Piccolo (EoZ + Elder Kaioshin Potential Unlock) vs Dabura.
I think Piccolo, assuming he continued to train, would already be a good amount stronger than Dabra by 10 years after Boo, and probably on-par with full-power Cell. Add on the Old Kaioshin's ritual which brings you way, way, waaaaay beyond your current limits with his ritual, regardless of whatever Piccolo has going for him in dormant power... Dabra goes down like a bitch.
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Six Paths Naruto runs a gauntlet from the start of Dragonball. How far do you think he goes? Now my Naruto is rusty but I think he'd stop at Raditz. Thoughts?
I quit reading Naruto a few years ago, but I'd bet sure Naruto himself remained mostly about raw power, and never learned much in the way of fancy genjutsu that could mentally mess up people stronger than him. I'm betting he never reached the point where he can blow up the moon or small planets, so he hits a brick wall against Saiyan-arc characters.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Captain Space » Sat Aug 01, 2015 6:53 am

Don't know enough about Naruto to meaningfully debate on it, I'm afraid.
Noah wrote:New matches: (equal power, limited stamina)

- Base Gohan (Boo Arc) x Oob (GT)
- Dr. Gero x Jeice & Burter
- Final Form Cooler x Base Vegetto
- Mirai Gohan x Nail
- Nam x Captain Ginyu
- Oozaru Bardock x Oozaru Nappa
- Piccolo (Boo Arc) x SSJ3 Gotenks
- Son Gohan (Uranai Baba Arc) x SSJ3 Goku
- Super Perfect Cell x Fat Boo
- Yajirobe x Mirai Trunks (first appearance)
- Zangya vs Salza
-In terms of skill, this is one of Gohan's lowest points and Uub's highest, so Uub.
-On one hand, energy draining. On the other, 2 on 1 and the duo are teamwork specialists. So, the Ginyus.
-One of them has the combined fighting experience of Goku and Vegeta. The other has...his tail I guess? Vegetto wins.
-Nail, on the basis that when Gohan loses an arm it doesn't grow back. :P
-Ginyu seemed pretty well-drilled, I don't see Nam just outfighting him because he's a martial artist or whatever. So probably Ginyu.
-Piccolo is far smarter and can just come up with counters to everything Gotenks tries for the 5 or so minutes it takes for Gotenks to defuse, at which point Piccolo wins effortlessly.
-Goku should be a much better combatant by this point, and when you add in flight, better ki control, and Instant Transmission, he should be able to beat Gohan before his SSJ3 time runs out.
-Cell starts with the upper hand (Buu is pretty unrefined as a fighter), but Buu starts learning his techniques, and unlike Cell's regeneration, Buu's isn't tiring at all; and especially if Buu's power is still rising, Buu wins.
-Yajirobe is more skilled with a sword than a lot of people remember, but Trunks seemed to do even fancier stuff with it, so I guess Trunks.
-Salza really has no counter for the string...thing...so Zangya.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Krillin (Trunks' arrival) vs. 1st form Freeza
Probably Freeza. Vegeta says Krillin's power is still rising (presumably the power unlock took some time to take full effect), but nothing in the following scenes really shows by how much. I really don't think that if Freeza had hung back for a few hours Krillin would've got strong enough to take him, and I don't think any particularly intensive training took place between Namek and Trunks' arrival.
Zombie wrote: New Battle:

Piccolo (EoZ + Elder Kaioshin Potential Unlock) vs Dabura.
Hmm...even after the RoSaT, Piccolo was almost certainly weaker than Super Vegeta (or Vegeta woulda been like "Gah! He's stronger than me now! Gimme that room!")...but then add in 17 years of training...hmm.

I also think people saying Old Kai's power unlock wouldn't do much are underestimating what it does. In the manga he tells Goku he can unlock hidden powers and asks if Goku's ever heard anything like that. Goku lampshades the trope and says yeah, he's seen it plenty of times. Old Kai retorts that he can go "beyond the normal limits". So I'd assume he can give anyone a sizeable boost, even someone like Piccolo who probably doesn't have much potential left to draw out.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Noah wrote:New matches: (equal power, limited stamina)

- Base Gohan (Boo Arc) x Oob (GT)
- Dr. Gero x Jeice & Burter
- Final Form Cooler x Base Vegetto
- Mirai Gohan x Nail
- Nam x Captain Ginyu
- Oozaru Bardock x Oozaru Nappa
- Piccolo (Boo Arc) x SSJ3 Gotenks
- Son Gohan (Uranai Baba Arc) x SSJ3 Goku
- Super Perfect Cell x Fat Boo
- Yajirobe x Mirai Trunks (first appearance)
- Zangya vs Salza
-With years of training with Goku under his belt, I'd say Uub should be able to score a point against a bookworm like Gohan.

-Assuming Gero implemented some of the Z-Fighters' prowess into his mechanically enhanced body, he shouldn't have too much difficulty overcoming anything Jeice and Burter have to dish out. Additionally, he could always resort to sapping the life out of the duo and using their own energy to kill them.

-While Vegetto is nearly unrivaled in the skill department, Cooler's own bag of tricks arguably deem him as one of the best fighters in the franchise as well. Between the latter's ability to acrobatically manipulate his unique physique and his deceptively cunning tendencies, I'd say his chances of winning are just as high as the former's. It honestly surprises me how much people underestimate the Cold family's proficiency in hand to hand combat.

-This could be pretty close. Because this version of Gohan presumably dedicated a good portion of his life into strenuous training, he may actually have the edge on Namek's finest warrior.

-Ginyu's long term experience as a galactic space pirate probably equipped him with enough raw ability to deal with a human fighter. Furthermore, as soon as things begin to look grim, he could always seal the deal by swapping bodies.

-When it comes to sheer skill, Nappa probably loses nine out of ten times. The vast majorities of his victories, if not all were probably served on a silver platter thanks to his brutish strength. Bardock wins this so easily it's not even funny.

-With his inflated ego and his inability to steer away from having a good time, Gotenks wouldn't have a chance. Toss that in with the years of experience Piccolo has over him, and yeah..

-Goku is far too seasoned by the Buu arc for his grandpa to even have a chance.

-Yajirobe doesn't exactly strike me as a skilled warrior. He loses almost instantly.

-Neither of them have displayed anything notable or significant, so it could go either way.

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Post by Sandubadear » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:26 pm

Giant metal-wire-y Metal Cooler vs Android 14 (or 15)
supercat wrote: -When it comes to sheer skill, Nappa probably loses nine out of ten times. The vast majorities of his victories, if not all were probably served on a silver platter thanks to his brutish strength. Bardock wins this so easily it's not even funny.
You sure? They are supposed to be Oozaru, and according to some games Bardock can't fully control his Oozaru form, while Nappa can.
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Post by supercat » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:45 pm

Even if with the assumption that Nappa was merely toying with his opponents, the amount of damage that he took really devalues his prowess as a fighter in my opinion. Skilled fighters should be able to effortlessly entertain themselves with inferior foes while remaining unscathed.

-Giant Cooler seemed somewhat immobilized, so as long as the androids maneuver around him without getting tangled in his wires, they should be able to walk away victorious. That said, if the former manages to trap them, I'd say it's only a matter of time before he reduces them into a pile of mechanical junk.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Aug 01, 2015 5:47 pm

Sandubadear wrote:Giant metal-wire-y Metal Cooler vs Android 14 (or 15)
Metal Cooler drains the energy from the androids.

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Post by rereboy » Sat Aug 01, 2015 8:26 pm

Kaboom wrote: — I'm'a give this one to Popo. From what the official numbers tell us, none of the humans had surpassed King Piccolo before their training for the Saiyans.
Tenshinhan was confident about beating Goku in the 23rd tournament before he removed his weights, claiming that it was amazing that Goku was even stronger than before but he wasn't faster than before. If Tenshinhan hadn't at least surpassed the level of Piccolo Daimao, who Goku beat with less strength and the same level of speed Goku was showing off in that match, Tenshinhan's stance doesn't make sense. And in the beginning of Z, he was even stronger.

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Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:29 pm

Tenshinhan said weighted Goku had improved in every category but speed from 3 years back.

weighted Goku strength > post-Sacred Water Goku strength

weighted Goku speed = post-Sacred Water Goku speed

Tenshinhan was too fast for Goku and even knocking him around instead of Goku tanking all of his hits (which would be the case if Goku was stronger than his Sacred Water self and Tenshinhan was 5 years of training behind Daimao.)

Also, given rereboy's point about Tenshinhan's confidence, how can Tenshinhan possibly be weaker than Young Daimao?

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Post by Kaboom » Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:54 pm

I'm typically content to just take the official numbers at their word unless there's a very obvious contradiction and just not care too much beyond that. Plus I tend to give pre-Raditz numbers the benefit of the doubt since raw power levels weren't the driving factor until the Saiyan arc or so. Maybe by the 23rd TB Ten's gotten better at ki amplification that King Piccolo was, or maybe his 250 in the Saiyan arc was a "resting" level, or something. Take your pick.
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Post by ZombieVito » Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:26 am

Jaco [RF] vs Raditz.
Jaco [RF] vs Bardock [Minus].
Jaco [RF] vs Nappa.
Six armed red demon alien vs Jeice.
Six armed red demon alien vs Chaoz [DBS].
Six armed red demon alien vs Ginyu.

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Post by Berserker1921 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:12 am

Dbz/Gt villains vs movie villains ( their are some repeats.)

1. Raditz vs Garlic jr
2. Nappa vs Dr. wheelo
3. Turles/ Lord Slug vs Ginyu squad
4. Abo and Kado (they can fuse) vs Frieza (namek saga)
5. Metal Cooler vs Android 17/18
6. Super Android 13 vs Android 16
7. Super Perfect Cell vs Hatchiyack
8. Mira vs Broly (movie 10)
9. Buuhan vs Janemba
10. Hirudegarn vs Baby Vegeta (before receiving the armor)
11. Super 17 vs Nova shenron
12. Demigra vs Golden Frieza
12. Beerus vs Omega Shenron

Who wins each battle?
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Post by Berserker1921 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:58 am

Zombie wrote:Jaco [RF] vs Raditz.
Jaco [RF] vs Bardock [Minus].
Jaco [RF] vs Nappa.
Six armed red demon alien vs Jeice.
Six armed red demon alien vs Chaoz [DBS].
Six armed red demon alien vs Ginyu.
1. Jaco
2. I don't know I would say his power level was no more then 30,000 for Jaco. So maybe.
3. Definitely Jaco wins.
4. The red demon. We don't know how power level but since his hand didn't break apart when punching beerus finger I give it to him. And for the sheer balls to attack him.
5. Chaozu wins hands down. He may be the weakest member on the team. Or well second weakest. I would say his power level is at least 40-80,000. So yeah I think he beats Jaco.
5. Well I think red monster might win. However ginyu would use his switch bodies technique. So he would win at the end.

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Post by Doctor. » Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:04 am

Jaco was the only on who didn't eat a Senzu and Gohan and Piccolo both fought a 'strong' opponent to justify their own, so I bet Jaco is stronger than Kuririn at this point, as stupid as it sounds.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:50 am

Zombie wrote:Jaco [RF] vs Raditz.
Jaco [RF] vs Bardock [Minus].
Jaco [RF] vs Nappa.
Jaco loses in all fights. He hasn't done anything impressive in FnF, he wasn't strong enough to beat adult Saiyans in his manga, and he doesn't look like the type that trains.
Six armed red demon alien vs Jeice.
Six armed red demon alien vs Chaoz [DBS].
Six armed red demon alien vs Ginyu.
The alien hasn't done anything impressive to place him above the super-elite warriors of the universe, not to mention Chaozu. He loses in all fights.
Berserker1921 wrote:1. Raditz vs Garlic jr
Goku & Piccolo could do something against Garlic Jr, but not against Raditz. So, Garlic Jr. gets angry with him being so powerless, he opens the Dead Zone, and Raditz throws him inside.
2. Nappa vs Dr. wheelo
Goku was forced to use Kaio-ken x3 against Dr. Uiro, so he easily kills Nappa.
3. Tullece/ Lord Slug vs Ginyu squad
Tullece was stronger than Kaio-ken x10 Goku, so he wins easily. Ι don't think Gurd's powers will be strong enough to stop him, and his time-freeza ability won't come to any use. I also doubt that he will fall in Ginyu's trap, he should be fast enough to dodge it, and the fact that he is fighting against 5 enemies will keep him on-guard IMO. Slug is even stronger, stronger than Freeza according to Kaio, so they win.
4. Abo and Kado (they can fuse) vs Freeza (namek saga)
I think Tarble was referring to Aka when he said that Abo & Kad had obtained power at Freeza's level, since the kids didn't have to use Super Saiyan against Abo & Kado. However, Freeza has more deadly techniques on his arsenal, so he wins.
5. Metal Cooler vs Android 17/18
The Artificial Humans win this. Metal Coola was defeated by 2 Super Saiyans, and #17 & #18 are even stronger, with infinite stamina on top of that.
6. Super Android 13 vs Android 16
#16 was stated to be the strongest Artificial Human (except for Cell), so he wins.
7. Super Perfect Cell vs Hatchiyack
Cell is smart enough to notice Hatchiyack's weakness, and he should be strong enough to kill him after that.
8. Mira vs Broly (movie 10)
IIRC, Mira was going to kill Fat Boo & SS3 Goku, so he must be stronger than Broli. He wins.
9. Buuhan vs Janemba
Boo wins, easily. SS3 Goku was capable of giving Janenba some trouble, and force him use his abilities, while Gohan Boo is many times stronger than Goku.
10. Hirudegarn vs Baby Vegeta (before receiving the armor)
I think Vegeta-Baby is the strongest here, so, he wins.
11. Super 17 vs Nova shenron
The fight goes like with SS4 Goku, except Si Xing Long doesn't have help from #18. So, Super #17 wins.
12. Demigra vs Golden Freeza
Hard to tell, all we know is that Demigra is stronger than SbG Goku, but weaker than Beerus. I'll give it to Freeza and say that he is the strongest because he is more recent.
12. Beerus vs Omega Shenron
Beerus wins. I think the BoG/FnF/Super top guys are stronger than the GT guys.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Blocky » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:56 pm

More Battles (equal power):
Nail vs First Form Freeza
Base Saiyan Sega Vegeta vs Pui Pui
Vegeta vs Guldo
Supreme Kai vs Mecha Freeza
Vegito vs Buuhan
Nail and Post-King Kai training Piccolo vs Bojack, Hatchiyack and Super Android 13
LSSJ Broly vs Garlic Jr. (without Immortality)
Sorbet & Tagoma vs Turles's minions
Kid Goku (when he battled King Piccolo) vs Kid Vegeta.

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Post by Captain Space » Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:26 pm

Berserker1921 wrote:Dbz/Gt villains vs movie villains ( their are some repeats.)

1. Raditz vs Garlic jr
2. Nappa vs Dr. wheelo
3. Tullece/ Lord Slug vs Ginyu squad
4. Abo and Kado (they can fuse) vs Freeza (namek saga)
5. Metal Cooler vs Android 17/18
6. Super Android 13 vs Android 16
7. Super Perfect Cell vs Hatchiyack
8. Mira vs Broly (movie 10)
9. Buuhan vs Janemba
10. Hirudegarn vs Baby Vegeta (before receiving the armor)
11. Super 17 vs Nova shenron
12. Demigra vs Golden Freeza
12. Beerus vs Omega Shenron

Who wins each battle?
1. Raditz should be more powerful--Goku and Piccolo fighting in hand-to-hand together was enough to knock Garlic Jr. around, but they couldn't touch Raditz. However, if Garlic is immortal, and also considering the Dead Zone, he probably can beat Raditz.

2. Dr. Wheelo, considering he was more powerful than post-Kaio-training Goku (and nearly overwhelmed a x3 Kamehameha...might have been x4 but whatever, point stands.

3. Pre-fruit Tullece was presumably at 30,000 or not too much more based off Goku's level in the movie, so definitely the Ginyus beat him. Post-fruit Tullece (based on the same measurement and his fight with Goku) is at at least 300,000, if not far higher, and given his fighting style probably kicks the crap out of all five before any of them can pull anything. Slug...I have no idea to be honest.

4. Weren't they said to be around Freeza's level? Of course, we don't know if that meant 1st form or full power Freeza, and indeed if it meant Abo and Kado or Aka. That gives us four total possibilities, and Freeza wins in three of them (the only scenario he loses in is if Abo and Kado are each individually at full-power Freeza level).

5. The twins' advantage over a (presumably comparable) SSJ was way more than Meta-Cooler's. One of them probably wins, if both together they definitely win.

6. Super 13 was beaten by an android-saga SSJ with a boost from a saiyan-arc level Genkidama. 16 ~ Imperfect Cell (final appearance) >>> Kamiccolo, 17 > Imperfect Cell (first appearance) > android-saga SSJ. So, 16 wins.

7. They should both be stronger than Broly, and nothing else suggests they're anything other than roughly equal. Of course, we don't know for sure, but with the lack of anything else to go on, I'll give it to Cell for superior intelligence/skill/techniques/abilities.

8. In Xenoverse Mira is stronger than fat Buu. So, Mira.

9. I don't see Goku doing nearly as well in hand-to-hand against Buuhan as he did against Janemba. Janemba may be incredibly durable, but Buu basically is albeit in an entirely different way. Buu wins.

10. By "armour" you mean his transformations? If so, I'm pretty sure he was at least on part with SSJ3 GT Goku. Base GT Goku is on some form of Buu's level. Ergo, Baby Vegeta wins easily.

11. No idea!

12. Hmm, Demigra was at the same level as 70% Beerus I think (his transformation raised his level honestly just made him slower and easier to beat). Going on the assumption that SSGSS > SSJG and max power Golden Freeza > SSJG, Freeza is probably a bit stronger than Demigra. But it'll probably just be a repeat of his fight with Goku in the movie; he'll hold the advantage, then get worn out and Demigra will be able to kick him around. Add in time/reality-warping powers, and you get a win for Demigra.

13. Omega honestly wasn't that far above an SSJ4's level; he would've been killed by Goku alone had he not had his regeneration, and occasionally Goku and/or Vegeta were able to trade blows with him for a few seconds before taking a hit. And Vegetto is apparently >= an SSJ4. Whereas Beerus is leagues above Vegetto. So Beerus wins easy.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SaiyajinGokuWarrior » Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:33 pm

Goku (Super) VS Gohan and Vegeta (Cell Saga)

Frieza (FnF Version) VS Whis (Battle of Gods Version.)

Gotenks (Battle of Gods) VS Majuub (GT)

Vegito (Buu Saga) VS Miira and towa (Xenoverse)

Majin Buu and Uub VS Goten and Trunks (During Super) (This is before battle of the fusions Begun so take note.)



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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:34 pm

SaiyajinGokuWarrior wrote:Freeza (FnF Version) VS Whis (Battle of Gods Version.)

Gotenks (Battle of Gods) VS Majuub (GT)
-Freeza is still weaker than Beers so obviously Whiss stomps.
-Unless Gotenks in Battle of Gods became even stronger than Super Vegetto, he gets slaughtered by Super Oob.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:45 pm

Young Piccolo Daimao vs. Kill la Killverse

Would be strong enough solo it or can they stop him?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Blocky » Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:11 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Young Piccolo Daimao vs. Kill la Killverse

Would be strong enough solo it or can they stop him?
KP may lose to Ryuko or Ragyo at their most powerful.

But he solos at everything else.

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