— I don't think 2 Super Saiyans is quite enough to take down either of the Androids or Piccolo. Add in Goku to make it 3 of them and it might be different.LightBing wrote:Future Trunks and Vegeta (Before Rosat) vs Piccolo (Post Kami Assimilation)
Future Kid Trunks vs Recoome
Bojack vs SSJ Vegeta (Super)
— You mean at his weakest when we saw him as a Super Saiyan sparring with base Gohan? My arbitrary numbers place him at 50,000, a decent chunk stronger than Recoome who's probably around 35k-40k. So if Trunks is a good enough fighter he can win.
— Vegeta can beat regular Bojack easily enough, but he'd still probably need Super Saiyan 2 to beat buffed-up Bojack.
— I'm'a give this one to Popo. From what the official numbers tell us, none of the humans had surpassed King Piccolo before their training for the Saiyans.SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:BOZ Tenshinhan vs. Mr. Popo
— I personally think Piccolo may have picked up his training after being useless against Boo, and I think by the epilogue he'd be around as strong as full-power Cell. So he could beat SS Gohan from the Cell Games pretty easily.h0kuten wrote:EOZ Piccolo vs Kid Gohan Ssj (Cell Games)
EOZ Goku Ssj3 vs Super Vegetto (Buu)
— Discounting the new god-power shenanigans... Goku explodes when Vegetto lightly jabs him.
— Going to say Gohan. There's a reason Broli went "legendary" as soon as Gohan transformed, after all. I think they'd be basically leapfrogging each other in power via their transformations.SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:M10 SS Broly vs. SS2 Teen Gohan
Old Piccolo at half power might get beaten by Tenshinhan and MAYBE Kuririn. In scenarios 2 and 3, Piccolo clears the entire gauntlet with relative ease.DBZAOTA482 wrote:What if Piccolo Senior showed up to the 23rd Budokai and fought the human fighters there?How does he fare against them all?
- SCENARIO #1: It's Old Piccolo Daimao at <50% power.
SCENARIO #2: If that Piccolo loses then have him fight at full power
SCENARIO #3: If that Piccolo loses as well then have Young Piccolo Daimao fight
1. I don't think they can quite pull it off. They'd do a lot of damage working together, but Cell would ultimately still be victorious. His regeneration would probably help him a lot.Hero wrote:1. Cell Games SSJ Goku and Gohan vs. Full Power Perfect Cell
2. Buu SSJ Goku vs. FP Perfect Cell
3. Buu SSJ Goku and Buu SSJ Vegeta vs. FP Perfect Cell
4. Buu SSJ2 Vegeta vs. Super Perfect Cell
5. Buu SSJ2 Vegeta vs. CG SSJ2 Gohan
2. Goku's still not quite up to that level. It'd be like a repeat of their previous fight from the Cell Games.
3. If it's Vegeta after getting his boost from Bobbidi, he and Goku working together can win. If not, Cell might still be a bit too much for them.
4. Post-Majin Vegeta is more than strong enough to win. Pre-Majin Vegeta's either dead even with Cell or only a little bit weaker, and has a good chance.
5. Pre- or post-Majin, Vegeta's chances of winning here are even better, because Gohan doesn't have the regeneration and other tricks that Cell does.
— Hard to tell. Janemba's the stronger one, but I'm not sure if he'd be able to overcome Hirudegarn's tricky intangibility thing.h0kuten wrote:Janemba vs Hildegarn
Super Buu (Over-Powered) vs Super Vegetto (Buu)
Goku Ssj3 (Wrath of The Dragon) vs Raging Vegeta Ssj2 (BoG)
Goku Ssj3 EOZ vs Super Vegetto
Goku Ssj2 EOZ Buuhan
— Just absorbing Janemba and Hirudegarn would probably put Boo on Vegetto's level already and give him a shot at winning. The rest, mostly Gohan and Gotenks, just tip the scales further in Boo's favor.
— Movie 13 Goku (who's only moderately stronger than his Boo-arc self in my book) wins this one. Vegeta's rage boost was a fleeting and temporary thing, and he probably couldn't do enough damage to Goku in those short moments to decide the fight. Then he'll be all burned out and easy pickings for Goku to beat with a single punch.
— Putting aside the fluctuating events of the new movies and Super, I don't see Goku making too much progress in those two years. He's only going to grow so quickly doing "normal" training on Earth and at Kaio's without special things to exploit like the RoSaT and Saiyan healing boosts. Even at his strongest he probably hasn't even caught up to Gohan and Gotenks yet, much less the far stronger Vegetto.
— Ditto on Goku losing badly, same reasons as above.
He probably loses to Grade 3 Trunks, because Goten won't be smart or perceptive enough to pick up on the speed weakness and will probably get caught. Otherwise, Cell Games Vegeta takes him down with an all-around advantage in power, speed, and skill.Hero wrote:Here's one more since I've always to see other people's opinion on this:
SSJ Goten (Pre) Gauntlet!
— Uh... Bibbidy, I guess?Alex9196 wrote:Bibidi vs Babidi (hand to hand, no magic)
Raditz Oozaru vs Bardock
1.000 Saibaimen vs Kid Vegeta
Ginyu Force vs "Cooler Force" (The three henchmen from coolers revenge)
Androids 13-20 vs Regular Perfect Cell
Nail vs Recoome
Super Buu (Janemba absorbed) vs Hirudegarn)
— The somewhat weaker "Toriyama's Bardock" from Minus is at too much of a power disadvantage and would probably lose. TV Bardock would probably at least be able to chop off Raditz's tail and win that way.
— The Saibaimen have WAY too much of an advantage in numbers here. Kid Vegeta probably doesn't even make it to 100 of them.
— The Ginyu Force's only hope is to exploit Gurd and Ginyu's special abilities. If it's just a contest of power, they get creamed. Captain Ginyu himself maxes out at 120,000, while the Armored Squad average around 175,000.
— Even at his restrained levels against Vegeta and Trunks or Goku and Gohan, Cell is far too strong for any of the other Androids to beat, even as a team. He destroys them all at once with a wave of his hand.
— I definitely think Nail would win. He may have a slight power edge over Recoome, for one, but he's also got way more going for him in skill and abilities. Recoome's tanky ability to soak up damage may be a pain to overcome, though.
— Janemba's already stronger than Hirudegarn on his own, and being absorbed by Boo just makes the total power imbalance even greater. But like above, it depends on if Boo and Janemba's collective smarts can figure out and get around Rudy's intangibility.
— Vegeta and Goku get creamed. A few years' worth of moderate improvement won't let them close the huge power gap that Evil Boo had over them.h0kuten wrote:Goku Ssj2 (BoG) + Vegeta Ssj2 (BoG) vs Buutenks
Goku Ssj3 (BoG) vs Goku Ssj3 Dragon Fist (Wrath of The Dragon)
Freeza 4th Form 50% (FnF) vs Vegetto Ssj3 (BoG)
Shishami (FnF) vs Majin Vegeta Ssj2
Goku Ssj4 (Wrath of The Dragon) vs Super Vegetto (Buu)
— Both Gokus are probably similar in power, but the Dragon Fist is an incredibly broken attack. BoG Goku isn't going to be able to tank or survive it.
— No good way to tell. Next!
— Same here. Shisami's strength isn't made clear. We don't know if he got a lot stronger like Freeza, or if we're meant to believe Piccolo was just tired or something. Next!
— Even SS4 Goku in GT is only "perhaps" on Vegetto's level. A weaker version of Goku from 5+ years prior is definitely going to lose.
I think the heroes win this one, though Goku and Nail will end up doing most of the work.h0kuten wrote:Goku (Post Vegeta Fight)~KaioKenx 4, Vegeta (Post Zarbon Fight), Nail, VS Recoome, Jeice, Burtur
Gohan's "enraged" power is mostly unpredictable, but if it's at least moderately stronger than his normal self, Gohan wins. Dabra gets instantly vaporized with one blast right at the start, and then Cell gets pummeled. His power drops from the beatdown and regenerating to a level that even if Gohan calms down, he can now handle it as a normal SS2.Dbzfan94 wrote:SSJ2 Buu Saga Gohan (enraged) vs Super Perfect Cell and Dabura.
If the villains win, make Gohan his Cell Games self as SSJ2.
21st Budokai Yamcha probably ends up overwhelmed by the stench like Kuririn almost was for some reason. 22nd Budokai Yamcha probably finds a way to lose too. 23rd Budokai Yamcha is strong enough to easily knock out Bacterian while holding his breath for like 3 seconds.TheGmGoken wrote:Yamcha vs Bacterian
Teams 1 and 2 realize Broli is the biggest threat, so they team up to quickly take him down, and Gohan falls easily afterwards. Then... my gut's telling me Team 1 emerges victorious. Vegeta's tenacity and Cell's special abilities and skill repertoire are slightly more effective than Goku's skill, which is somewhat hampered by Gohan's propensity for failure.h0kuten wrote:Majin Vegeta Ssj2 + Super Perfect Cell vs Goku Ssj2 + Kid Gohan Ssj2 vs Broly LSSJ (M10) + Teen Gohan Ssj2 (M10)
If Yamcha knows about Gurd's special abilities ahead of time, then he can quickly blitz Gurd and one-hit-KO him before he can do anything. If not, then his Yamcha-ness probably causes him to get caught in a time freeze or telekinesis and somehow lose.h0kuten wrote:Yamcha (EOZ) vs Guldo
— MetaL Coola had 3 different stages of power, and the first stage is the only one that Cell can beat one-on-one, just like SS Goku did on his own. The other two stronger stages of Metal Coola are a bit too much for him.fadeddreams5 wrote:Imperfect Cell (pre-absorptions) vs Meta Cooler
Imperfect Cell (post-absorptions) vs Meta Cooler army
Future Androids 17 and 18 vs. 2 Meta Coolers
— This stronger Cell could probably handle one or two stronger Metal Coolas, but the entire swarm of them is definitely going to overwhelm him very quickly.
— Kind of the same deal. The Android twins could beat a pair of Metal Coolas at the first two stages of power, but the third and strongest stage would be a bit too much for them.
— Goku can still beat SS Gotenks easily with just SS3 in my book. Giving him SS4 on top of it is mega overkill.h0kuten wrote:Goku Ssj4 (Buu Saga) vs Gotenks Ssj Post-ROST
Gotenks Ssj4 (Buu Saga) vs Super Vegetto
Goku SsjG3 (RoSaT) vs Semi-Perfect Cell
Perfect Cell (vs Goku) + Goku MSsj vs Kid Gohan Ssj
— If SS4 truly is a potential unlock of some sort, then it's hard to predict how strong it'll make anyone. Were Gotenks capable of SS4, though, I don't think he'd quite be able to beat SS Vegetto. Even if it puts them on even ground in power, Vegetto is by far the more smart and skilled one.
— Same thing happens to Goku as did to Trunks. He's a little bit stronger than Cell, but too slow to catch him and lay the needed beatdown.
— If Gohan really buckled down and fought seriously then he could beat Cell, but he doesn't have enough of a power advantage to beat both Cell AND Goku at the same time.
Considering that he, well, died, I don't think Kuririn's power kept growing much beyond the 75,000 he had at the start of the fight with Freeza. Maybe he'd be 85,000-90,000 at best. Add on 2 years of casual training and I think he'd probably only be around or a little above 100,000 when Cyborg Freeza arrived. Obviously still no match for 1st-form Freeza's 530,000.SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Krillin (Trunks' arrival) vs. 1st form Freeza
I think Piccolo, assuming he continued to train, would already be a good amount stronger than Dabra by 10 years after Boo, and probably on-par with full-power Cell. Add on the Old Kaioshin's ritual which brings you way, way, waaaaay beyond your current limits with his ritual, regardless of whatever Piccolo has going for him in dormant power... Dabra goes down like a bitch.Zombie wrote:Piccolo (EoZ + Elder Kaioshin Potential Unlock) vs Dabura.
I quit reading Naruto a few years ago, but I'd bet sure Naruto himself remained mostly about raw power, and never learned much in the way of fancy genjutsu that could mentally mess up people stronger than him. I'm betting he never reached the point where he can blow up the moon or small planets, so he hits a brick wall against Saiyan-arc characters.KentalSSJ6 wrote:Six Paths Naruto runs a gauntlet from the start of Dragonball. How far do you think he goes? Now my Naruto is rusty but I think he'd stop at Raditz. Thoughts?





