Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Gyt Kaliba]

And this is what's being said about the blue saiyan form.

They're both Super Saiyan Gods.

The blue hair thing is apparently just an effect of "going Super Saiyan" when you have absorbed Super Saiyan God powers. In other words, it's not really a new form as it is a 'new look' for Super Saiyan for Super Saiyan Gods. Or something like that. I don't know, it's weird.

Both Vegeta and Goku do it and they have to use that form to fight against Golden Freeza.

Huh...so kind of using both forms at once, akin to Super Kaioken. I guess I could accept the SS hairstyle for that then.

Hm, now that's confusing. Why wasn't Goku's hair blue in BoG then when he became a SSJ? Was it not properly absorbed?

When he went Super Saiyan at the end of Battle of Gods, he had 'lost' the SSG form (but not it's power, mostly, or...whatever...man this really is getting kinda confusing), and when he used it again briefly at the end he was seemingly in his base form with it again. So I guess this makes sense, kinda.

Though now that I think about it, if they're combining the Super Saiyan God red with regular Super Saiyan yellow...shouldn't they be orange now?

If this is the case, then why not go Super Saiyan 2 or 3. Then Goku should have no problem.

It could be possible that the power would be too much for him to handle at this time. We know he's been training since the end of Battle of Gods, so maybe going Super Saiyan on top of Super Saiyan God is all that he can manage at this time.

[Basaku]

Either that or Toriyama just decided he wanted to give SSJ a new color and came up with a BS excuse like that.

Most likely. It's getting hilarious at this point, any stuff he or Toei come up with seem to go approved without any second though or consideration. GT may end up looking positively brilliant in few years in comparsion...

[dbzfan7]

If this is the case, then why not go Super Saiyan 2 or 3. Then Goku should have no problem.

Because he was having no problems until Sorbet interfered, most likely. It was also now a war of attrition, SSJ2 and SSJ3 burn through more power more quickly. If Goku's trying to exploit Freeza's energy/stamina burn, he's not going to increase his own when not needed.

Considering if SSJ Goku here is enough to give a good fight. A blue SSJ3 would one shot Freeza.

If this is the case, then why not go Super Saiyan 2 or 3. Then Goku should have no problem.

It could be possible that the power would be too much for him to handle at this time. We know he's been training since the end of Battle of Gods, so maybe going Super Saiyan on top of Super Saiyan God is all that he can manage at this time.

I'd buy that if it were the case.

[sintzu]

Wait, so how does Goku beat Freeza if he already lost?

Goku got a senzu bean.
Freeza was already nearly defeated by Vegeta so he was a lot weaker then when he first transformed plus the form drains his power.

[Doctor.]

"Why did they bring back Freeza, it's pointless." "THEY DIDN'T DO ENOUGH WITH FREEZA."

If you're going to bring back an old villain from the dead, at least make sure he does something worthwhile before killing him off again; they didn't. I can't see how this is hypocritical, unlike the other examples you provided.

[Saiga]

It's probably the same as "why didn't Goku go Super Saiyan 2/3 against Beerus?"

Logically they should power him up further, but it appears as though it's not written that way. Super Saiyan is Goku's max now. He might not even be able to use 2 and 3.

[SRB2Unleashed]

"Why did they bring back Freeza, it's pointless." "THEY DIDN'T DO ENOUGH WITH FREEZA."

If you're going to bring back an old villain from the dead, at least make sure he does something worthwhile before killing him off again; they didn't. I can't see how this is hypocritical, unlike the other examples you provided.

Acheiving a new form and destroying the Earth?

[Doctor.]

"Why did they bring back Freeza, it's pointless." "THEY DIDN'T DO ENOUGH WITH FREEZA."

If you're going to bring back an old villain from the dead, at least make sure he does something worthwhile before killing him off again; they didn't. I can't see how this is hypocritical, unlike the other examples you provided.

Acheiving a new form and destroying the Earth?

The form helped him defeat absolutely nobody without some kind of outside factor helping him and Earth's destruction was reversed within minutes, so it's irrelevant.

[Kishido]

Non trained Super Saiyans Gohan stronger as Piccolo... Not asking about Mystic

[Saiga]

Non trained Super Saiyans Gohan stronger as Piccolo... Not asking about Mystic

That makes perfect sense, and was that way in the Boo arc as well. I don't think Gohan should have lost so much power to be weaker than his Boo arc self, even if he lost the Ultimate state the potential unlock should have still left something.

[SSJGFrieza]

"Why did they bring back Freeza, it's pointless." "THEY DIDN'T DO ENOUGH WITH FREEZA."

If you're going to bring back an old villain from the dead, at least make sure he does something worthwhile before killing him off again; they didn't. I can't see how this is hypocritical, unlike the other examples you provided.

you could say he “loses the battle, but wins the war”. Stay in your seats when the ending credits start to roll, and keep watching until the very end.

I hope someone watched until the very otherwise i'm with you, this was pointless. Might as well have explored the other universes.

[SRB2Unleashed]

The form helped him defeat absolutely nobody without some kind of outside factor helping him and Earth's destruction was reversed within minutes, so it's irrelevant.

But he still did something. The only reason it got reversed is because sequels aren't an exact guarantee. This is obviously apart of a bigger picture and we may have not heard the last of Freeza yet, so while they do have to write a self contained story, be on the look out! This isn't over yet.

[Kishido]

Non trained Super Saiyans Gohan stronger as Piccolo... Not asking about Mystic

That makes perfect sense, and was that way in the Boo arc as well. I don't think Gohan should have lost so much power to be weaker than his Boo arc self, even if he lost the Ultimate state the potential unlock should have still left something.

So Piccolo stopped training... Ok and where is Mystic is the real question

[dbzfan7]

So from that other thread apparently Gohan one shots Shisami in one hit to help Piccolo, who had an even fight with him. Not sure how the hell they found a guy so strong that he could be in Piccolo's league, but I find it hilarious that the Bull Man I mocked ended up getting one shotted....like how everyone in the army logically would be. Still I hope Gohan does use his Ultimate state and didn't just suddenly lose it for some reason.

[ArchedThunder]

"Why did they bring back Freeza, it's pointless." "THEY DIDN'T DO ENOUGH WITH FREEZA."

If you're going to bring back an old villain from the dead, at least make sure he does something worthwhile before killing him off again; they didn't. I can't see how this is hypocritical, unlike the other examples you provided.

you could say he “loses the battle, but wins the war”. Stay in your seats when the ending credits start to roll, and keep watching until the very end.

I hope someone watched until the very otherwise i'm with you, this was pointless. Might as well have explored the other universes.

Someone said earlier that Sorbet says "All according to plan" at the end, but I don't know if that's legit or not.

[ShadowWolf87]

If this is the case, then why not go Super Saiyan 2 or 3. Then Goku should have no problem.

Because he was having no problems until Sorbet interfered, most likely. It was also now a war of attrition, SSJ2 and SSJ3 burn through more power more quickly. If Goku's trying to exploit Freeza's energy/stamina burn, he's not going to increase his own when not needed.

Considering if SSJ Goku here is enough to give a good fight. A blue SSJ3 would one shot Freeza.

Goku doesn't believe in utilizing overkill to one-shot an enemy either. He likes to draw outta fight to see how strong his enemy is before ending things. It's one of his flaws that Whis told him of, he gets too careless in a battle situation and forgets himself at times.

[Doctor.]

The form helped him defeat absolutely nobody without some kind of outside factor helping him and Earth's destruction was reversed within minutes, so it's irrelevant.

But he still did something. The only reason it got reversed is because sequels aren't an exact guarantee. This is obviously apart of a bigger picture and we may have not heard the last of Freeza yet, so while they do have to write a self contained story, be on the look out! This isn't over yet.

Like you said, sequels aren't an exact guarantee. Until a sequel is confirmed, I can criticize this aspect of this film all I want.

[SRB2Unleashed]

We need to know the most important thing.

Spoiler:

What scene was "F" inserted in and how was it used.

[Saiga]

Non trained Super Saiyans Gohan stronger as Piccolo... Not asking about Mystic

That makes perfect sense, and was that way in the Boo arc as well. I don't think Gohan should have lost so much power to be weaker than his Boo arc self, even if he lost the Ultimate state the potential unlock should have still left something.

So Piccolo stopped training... Ok and where is Mystic is the real question

Piccolo could've kept training and it had just not been enough to catch up to Gohan. There was a big gap between them at the Cell Games.

[Sora Saiyan]

If this is the case, then why not go Super Saiyan 2 or 3. Then Goku should have no problem.

Because he was having no problems until Sorbet interfered, most likely. It was also now a war of attrition, SSJ2 and SSJ3 burn through more power more quickly. If Goku's trying to exploit Freeza's energy/stamina burn, he's not going to increase his own when not needed.

Considering if SSJ Goku here is enough to give a good fight. A blue SSJ3 would one shot Freeza.

Toriyama mentioned this before, not brilliant but it's something.

From Twel-boo mysteries

Goku endlessly keeps getting stronger, with Super Saiyan 3 in the manga and Super Saiyan 4 in the anime; does Super Saiyan keep getting limitlessly stronger too? Might we eventually see things such as a Super Saiyan 5…?!

Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more.